Finished Werewolf XX: Seleno City

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

Let me just ask you this:

Do you not think town can win if the 5 of us work together to lynch the possible wolves? You also said that you believed the other players were safe. Is it my role you doubt?

If you're on our side I think this is the time for you to objectively look at the situation and say what's the best thing the town can do right now.

If the 5 of us lynch the 4 of you (including 2 wolves), town wins. You are currently the only known player that could stop my seer ability. Would it not be the town's best interest to remove this uncertainty? Your role is hardest to believe, because are others are connected to another person or a situation in which is doesn't make any sense they are a wolf.

I get that 2 of you are town and we cannot be sure who it is, but the safest route I think to take is to eliminate all 4, starting with the biggest threat. The next morning we will either have a wolf confirmed or another town's member to join in on the voting.

Do you have a better way to ensure town's victory?

 

[Porygon-X]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

You are currently the only known player that could stop my seer ability.

Well I can, but I won't.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

True, but I meant from the possible wolves. xD What would happen if you role blocked Kecleon while Kecleon role blocks me? Who would have priority?

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

User(s) browsing this thread: Drohn, Reinforce

Could you also claim?

Rev3rsor just posted in another thread in Forum Games, but didn't post here yet.. Can you also claim? I haven't seen RG viewing the thread yet, but I'm waiting for your claim the most.

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

I just got back home from work. Though I did read the thread while I was at work, just couldn't reply.

The short of it is I'm going to claim, just give me a few minutes to type it all up

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

Yeah, I was intending to post here but I left to go to dinner; I thought it would be better to make a thought out post rather than rush it in a minute.
So my role. I'm Geoff Fletcher, and I'm a janitor. Not "Janitor" as in the wolf who hides the kill, but an ordinary janitor in my apartment. My active effect is that I know who targeted me (including passing me items) each night. So far nothing has happened to me, and even the item I got early on (the Blessed Medallion) 'appeared out of nowhere' (quote unquote) (inb4 modkilled for quoting). As far as I know it hasn't left my possession as TT hasn't PMed me about it, so assuming I still have it nobody's targeted me with anything.

Also, in reference to your (Drohn's) post before, I assume that if Kecleon gets roleblocked then he can't do anything to anyone, if he's not stopping the person blocking him.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

[sarcasm]I can see why you had to take your time to explain such a complicated role.[/sarcasm] Or did you have to think of one first? Who knows.

Anyway, since you claim town, I expect you're also willing to support the votes of Eron, GM Draclord, Porygon-X, and myself and to co-operate with PP, even though he can't vote. This means you will at some point be sacrificed unless we find the two wolves before you (assuming you're not a wolf). It's the only way we can ensure winning. We'll have to trust that the remaining town will make the right choices after we have sacrificed ourselves (since I will likely also die tonight).

Any objections?

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

I think Drohn's plan could work.

Claiming time for me! Although I've already partly revealed yesterday, as you can see:

Anyway... As for me role revealing... I'm not completely against it, actually. It's a bit complicated to explain fully, but I'll tell you guys that this role I got is passive. Perhaps that's why I was able to get away with being a bit sparse on activity, I admit. And even if it did activate finally, the only one who'll be affected is myself. I'm just saying that if I were to role reveal, all you'll get from it is confirming if I'm town or not, because even if you guys find out my ability, there's nothing to benefit or harm you. Are you still going to use the role reveal pressure on me? If you're all sure, then I wouldn't mind revealing by my next post or so.

The role I obtained states that I'm Miranda Chiu, a student. All I do is study and so I only have one ability, and it's even passive: If someone targets me with an ability, my vote becomes zero. If none, the first 3 votes against me for the day don't count.

That's it.

I hope this doesn't come off as scummy, but I wonder if this could "prove that I'm town"...

Yesterday, recall that Machamp posted that he targeted me. And grant revealed that he roleblocked Machamp. Thus, if my vote didn't count, then Machamp was telling the truth. If it counted, grant was.

The first posting of votals revealed that my vote didn't count. But it shouldn't have, because grant was telling the truth about roleblocking Machamp (although we wouldn't know of this till later after grant's abilities were revealed). The day ended before I could figure it all out. Luckily, our host went back to edit those votals... though I doubt he would confirm this for the time being

But this meant that my plan to check was a waste...

... is what I would have said if Machamp didn't flip wolf and his abilities weren't revealed. And since it is, take a look at his abilities. The ability he most likely targeted me with is the 3rd one: an ability which gives him my role PM. If I were his fellow wolf, would he need to target me with it?

So, what I'm saying is, if you're convinced by what I'm said above and thus believe I'm town, then I suppose that's a load off Drohn's little suspect list. If not, then you can't say I didn't reveal or that I'm claiming without some semblance of "proof".

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

Your claim is better than that of Kecleon and rev3rsor, but we don't know whether it's true. I do trust you more since you were also willing to claim yesterday. I'm not going to base this on trust, though. Tonight I'll probably seer you and hopefully confirm you're town so you can help the others in lynching the remaining possible wolves: Kecleon-X, RaichuGirl, and rev3rsor. If you are wolf, it will be up to the rest to lynch you and then lynch the other 2.

If Reinforce is town I suggest you lynch RaichuGirl the next phase (unless she comes with a very good claim), then rev3rsor next. If Reinforce is wolf, insert his name before RaichuGirl. With numbers to make sure there's no confusion:
If Reinforce if revealed town, lynch:
1. RaichuGirl
2. rev3rsor
If Reinforce if revealed wolf, lynch:
1. Reinforce
2. RaichuGirl
3. rev3rsor

Everyone agree?

[v]Kecleon-X[/v]

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

Sorry for double posting, but clarifying that the list above is for after what happens today. I don't want to risk a role block today and Kecleon's unwillingness to support the plan makes him more suspicious to me. If you're town, sorry Kecleon! <3 We do it for the greater good!

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

That's fine by me.

I will wait for RaichuGirl's claim before placing my vote. I think RaichuGirl is the only one left who hasn't claimed yet, yes? I would like to see that before deciding.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

Is there a minimum post count for today? If we end the day early with a majority lynch, RG might get mod killed and we hit two possible wolves in one phase.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

[sarcasm]I can see why you had to take your time to explain such a complicated role.[/sarcasm] Or did you have to think of one first? Who knows.

Anyway, since you claim town, I expect you're also willing to support the votes of Eron, GM Draclord, Porygon-X, and myself and to co-operate with PP, even though he can't vote. This means you will at some point be sacrificed unless we find the two wolves before you (assuming you're not a wolf). It's the only way we can ensure winning. We'll have to trust that the remaining town will make the right choices after we have sacrificed ourselves (since I will likely also die tonight).

Any objections?

Sorry for double posting, but clarifying that the list above is for after what happens today. I don't want to risk a role block today and Kecleon's unwillingness to support the plan makes him more suspicious to me. If you're town, sorry Kecleon! <3 We do it for the greater good!

I didn't have time to read it, so I couldn't post one way or another. Goodness, man, you're tunneling. You've been tunneling me since the start of the day! But something that I simply cannot understand is why no one has even commented on the matter.

Dude. Seriously. You're afraid of me because I can role block? That's like being afraid of your own Linebacker because he might get in the way of the Quarterback's toss. It's faulty logic. This plan will work -- so why the heck would I use my single shot role block on something that would be negative for the town? That logic is really faulty, man.

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

[sarcasm]I can see why you had to take your time to explain such a complicated role.[/sarcasm]

Well, part of the reason was that I wanted to make sure everything I said about what happened (or didn't) before actually happened (or didn't) (i.e. me checking my PM box for TT's PMs).

Your claim is better than that of Kecleon and rev3rsor

Well, I don't want to sound aggressive but my role, well, just isn't that great. I'm a janitor, what did you expect? that's part of the reason I didn't say much early, because I wasn't getting any reports so I was basically VT for a while.

Your plan sounds good to me (well, not counting my death if necessary ), but I'm going to hold off voting just for now because I don't want to be lynching town this late in the game (and for me to be able to think about it sufficiently when I'm not tired).

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

Oh, when I say

I don't want to be lynching town

I mean I don't want to risk lynching town. Sorry about that.

 

[Porygon-X]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

Goodness, man, you're tunneling. You've been tunneling me since the start of the day! But something that I simply cannot understand is why no one has even commented on the matter.

Bro. No one has commented on the matter because you're the only one who thinks he's tunneling.

Dude. Seriously. You're afraid of me because I can role block? That's like being afraid of your own Linebacker because he might get in the way of the Quarterback's toss. It's faulty logic. This plan will work -- so why the heck would I use my single shot role block on something that would be negative for the town? That logic is really faulty, man.

We can't just believe your claim lol. Besides, even if those are your abilities, they could be a scum role just as they could be a town role.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

There's a 50% chance you're wolf. It's not worth the risk. If you're town, why are you against this plan? Town will win if we do it this way, so I don't see the issue. I will get sacrificed too, since I'm almost for sure the next wolf target. It's about the town winning (for us, that is), not us individually surviving.

As I explained, Eron, GM Draclord, Porygon-X, and Professor Palutena and myself are confirmed to be non-wolves. The roles of Haunted Water, camoclone, and the fact Porygon-X survived a wolf attack proved this. The town will win if the remaining 4 are lynched - regardless of the order. The reason I want to lynch you first is due to the 50% chance you are wolf (2 out of 4) and will role block me tonight, since I publicly revealed my ability. On top of the statistical 50% chance I also think it's odd you don't want to co-operate with a plan that will grant town victory and I think it was suspicious how you called everyone else suspicious and wanted everyone to claim without claiming at first. If you're town, you should be willing to make the sacrifice now, like I am, since this plan will make town win.

why the heck would I use my single shot role block on something that would be negative for the town? That logic is really faulty, man.

Because you might not be town. I personally think you're one of the two wolves, but even if you're not, your sacrifice will still lead to town's victory.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

I got ninjad by a few posts while writing my previous post. The "you" is Kecleon-X.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

All right, fair enough. I, of course, still believe he's tunneling me, since nigh every post he's made has been something negative toward me.

Your point of "we think you're scum because you might not be town" is faulty and, quite frankly, nonsensical. That logic can be used on everyone else, so I don't know why I seem to be a magnet for it. You can choose whether or not to believe my role as you wish, but you can stop tunneling any time now. But of course, that logic goes for literally everyone else, so why me, then? What's your logic? The "He could be dangerous" just isn't doing it for me. That is a stock justification that could be pulled out on anyone.

I have never stated I was against the plan by the way, nor have I been resisting it -- quite the contrary, actually. I believe this plan will work and the town will win. Where you got the idea that I was against it is... Beyond me. I just don't want to get lynched like any sane player would. Actually, the only solid reason you don't think I'm town is that I'm not willing to commit suicide. Which is ludicrous.

Besides, again, my brother will role block me tonight (it's... Kind of a given), so you wouldn't have to worry either way. You worrying about me role blocking you is like you worrying that my brother will role block you.

I also never called everyone suspicious. I merely said what everyone else was saying and told those in question to reveal their roles. Again -- I am naturally tsundere! Of course I am going to doubt everyone's claims that they have no evidence to back up. Its what I do. I think you haven't played in a game with me, so you wouldn't know, but I do this every time. (...And I think I also have to explain this every time, as well...)


By the way, as a quick clarification: What about those made you confo-town again? I could use a refresher. >.<

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 9 ends Thursday April 24 at 8 PM EST

Your point of "we think you're scum because you might not be town" is faulty and, quite frankly, nonsensical. That logic can be used on everyone else, so I don't know why I seem to be a magnet for it. You can choose whether or not to believe my role as you wish, but you can stop tunneling any time now. But of course, that logic goes for literally everyone else, so why me, then? What's your logic? The "He could be dangerous" just isn't doing it for me. That is a stock justification that could be pulled out on anyone.

That logic IS being applied to all possible wolves. It's how we will win. I "magnet" you first, because you are the only possible wolf that can risk us losing with your ability. Do you recommend we take out the non-threatening possible wolves first? Where is your logic in that?

Here you can find my sister's role (and how she died in my arms ): http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-werewolf-xx-seleno-city-day-9-ends-thursday-april-24-at-8-pm-est?pid=2591426#pid2591426
Me being wolf and camo being town wouldn't make any sense, but if there is doubt about my role I'm sure it will be removed the next morning when I'm likely eaten and when the person I seer has their role publicly revealed due to my ability.

I'm glad you're okay with this plan. To me it seemed like you weren't before. If you really are town at least you'll still win despite being lynched today.

Right now your ability is not needed for us to win, since the confirmed town are a majority. Letting it exist amongst possible wolves is an unneeded and illogical risk to take in my opinion.

Arguing over it is pointless. All four possible wolves will claim to be town. There is no way we can know for sure whom to believe, so the smartest thing to do is to take out the threats and continue lynching the possibles until both wolves hidden in it are gone.