Finished Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

I'm going to start some (more) discussion. Cinesra, do you think I'm scummy?

This is a bad idea and does literally nothing.

I think that Celever is making very good points, I'm keeping my vote on NL for now but my eyes are definitely on Teal.

No... Nope. Never. They are points but they aren't very good.

So everyone has all the facts. Here is the post:

Still waiting on:

Bisharp37 and Bryan to confirm their role.
Bisharp37, Bryan and Eron to submit an action.

Now for an in-depth look at Celever. Look for my bold.

Umm... what, Teal?

Like others have said, what you did was so incredibly anti-town it is not even bloody funny.
It wasn't "incredibly" anti-town. You are blowing things out of proportion.

However, second of all, I saw the post as well just as it was posted (I can confirm that it said they need to send in their night actions, js) but I made a mental note of the names. I promptly forgot them. You clearly copy/pasted the post somewhere. And? I did as well.

Townies, generally, don't need that sort of information.
Yes we do. This is bad logic.

Especially straight away.
Ok if we don't need it straight away then we should save it somewhere.

When it gets to claiming then maybe it's important but maybe not, because if I was one of those users I would sure as hell claim a night action. The fact that not only did you copy/paste the post somewhere (PROBABLY SCUMCHAT)
No just no.

but then use it to try and push a lynch on one of them the first day (it was a half-hearted attempt, yes, but it is quite clearly there)
Yeah no. You need to point out where it is clearly there right now.

is just too scummy in my opinion, and on a day like this, will be, quite frankly, the best lead we'll get.
Ummm no... It's a small lead and not the best lead we'll get.

##AZURE: Teal

Please tell me I'm not the only one who read that post as a completely neutral way of calling out people who didn't confirm roles, just like you'd call out people who didn't vote. This entire line of discussion makes no sense to me.

That's the thing. Now it is, but before it was calling out 3 people who quote on quote "didn't send in night actions". This is information that a host should not reveal, yet WanderingWolf did. He edited it out, sure, but the damage was done and Teal, for whatever reason, decided it was a good cause for discussion.

"Hey, so these people have power roles..."

I guess I missed that part.

But if that's the case, and Teal was a Wolf, why would he bring that up in thread instead of just posting about it on the sideboard?

He undoubtedly did it to try and get a lynch on one of the 3.
It's undoubtedly now. Yeah let's see it Celever. Quote it right now please.

He definitely posted it in his scumchat as well (that's just basic logic)
Yup. He gone done posted it in the gold old scumchat again. It's just some good old basic logic.

and I said that I thought he did in an earlier post as well. I just think that it was a shoddy attempt at getting one of the 3 lynched
Quote now. Trying to get one of them lynched is the basis of Celever's case.

which should back fire. Scum hate no lynches on Day 1 just as much as townies do, and it's much more of a neutral play to NL. Teal here is a real lead IMO, and is as good as we're going to get on Day 1.
Actually... We got you.

Don't forget, on Day 1 last game grant got a tip on you being scum from one of your posts, Athena (actually I really want to know what that scum tell was as well lol) and it was right. Teal's is actually much more noticeable.
Ummm what?

Facts:

• The basis of Celever's case is based off Teal apparently trying to lynch one of them. This is not true.
• His case is incredibly weak.
• He blows things out of proportion.
• He is constantly referencing the "scum chat".
• He calls things basic when they are in fact pretty much the opposite.
• The whole case is BS.
• Alex comes in and says oh yeah that's a great case when the whole case is BS.
• Celever says that the wolves don't like no lynches D1 either which indirectly defends Alex.

VOTE: CELEVER
If he flips scum then Alex will too.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Hey just want to let everyone know I am going to be gone until Sunday, so this may be my last post for a bit, unless I get cell service at our campsite.

Just want to point out that 90% of players have roles this game, so those people listed could be anybody really.

Awesome... I'm glad to see you got cell service.

What do you think of Alex, Celever, and Teal?

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Noun
imped (plural impeds)
A creature without feet.

You have a... what?

Anyway, during the night WW posted that Bisharp37, Bryan and Eron have not sent in roles but now it's gone? Why would WW even say this? It gives away info that shouldn't be... :/

This is pretty Farfetch'd but since we have nothing much to discuss yet, I shall provoke!
Do you think he would say that if they were wolves? It would feel kinda weird to post a wolf on such a list if I was the GM (not that I would post such a list anyway), somehow I think he would be more cautious about it in that case. It's a weird hunch, but in general, my hunches aren't half bad... ;>

Camo didn't vote, he didn't use ##. Not sure what that fake vote against me is supposed to be though. It doesn't really demonstrate that he can't vote either... ó__ò

To me, this post looked like he was at least making an attack towards the players which WanderingWolf listed. When he said "My hunches tend to not be far off" I reread the post and to me it seems like he is trying to say that his hunch was that at least one of the 3 members listed if a wolf. I can't really see another hunch or theory there. I don't know if anyone else can explain to me what they think Teal meant by that.

Anyway, we all know that cases aren't going to be the best thing in the world on Day 1. I said multiple times in my posts that "it may not be the best case but it's the best that we'll get today" or something along those lines. I don't really understand why it is a scumtell me scum hunting. In fact, it looks like the biggest argument against me is alex's post. Actually, that's what I don't understand. My case is fallible, sure, but have you guys got any better? You can't lynch me because I have made a fallible case against someone, or at least, I've never seen anyone lynched for that before. Day 1 is about getting reactions, and honestly, you rushing in to help Teal didn't help me get a reaction from him.

Go on then, Athena or Camoclone, start a better discussion.

Also your case of me buddying on alex is a really bad theory as well, because me saying "no lynches benefit neither town nor wolves" is literally a completely neutral statement, whether it was used as one or not. Can you really tell me that Day 1 no lynches benefit either the town or the anti-town more?

I mean, obviously it benefits third parties the most, but third parties would also never be as blunt as alex was there in outing themselves as an advocator of the no lynch.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Wow Camoclone, I don't get it. How are you so good at this game to have already figured out the subtle ways that we have been planning out for hours to back each other up?

Wolves DON'T like no lynches for the same reason the town SHOULD.....

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Noun
imped (plural impeds)
A creature without feet.

You have a... what?

Anyway, during the night WW posted that Bisharp37, Bryan and Eron have not sent in roles but now it's gone? Why would WW even say this? It gives away info that shouldn't be... :/

This is pretty Farfetch'd but since we have nothing much to discuss yet, I shall provoke!
Do you think he would say that if they were wolves? It would feel kinda weird to post a wolf on such a list if I was the GM (not that I would post such a list anyway), somehow I think he would be more cautious about it in that case. It's a weird hunch, but in general, my hunches aren't half bad... ;>

Camo didn't vote, he didn't use ##. Not sure what that fake vote against me is supposed to be though. It doesn't really demonstrate that he can't vote either... ó__ò

To me, this post looked like he was at least making an attack towards the players which WanderingWolf listed.
Nope... I don't believe you. Especially since Teal has said multiple times that he believes they are town. Not to mention your word choice.

When he said "My hunches tend to not be far off" I reread the post and to me it seems like he is trying to say that his hunch was that at least one of the 3 members listed if a wolf. I can't really see another hunch or theory there. I don't know if anyone else can explain to me what they think Teal meant by that.
No comment.

Anyway, we all know that cases aren't going to be the best thing in the world on Day 1.
The case on you is pretty solid.

I said multiple times in my posts that "it may not be the best case but it's the best that we'll get today"
However your word choice made it seem like Teal was an obvious wolf.

or something along those lines. I don't really understand why it is a scumtell me scum hunting.
Oh please. That's not scumhunting. That's an incredibly weak argument.

In fact, it looks like the biggest argument against me is alex's post.
No not at all.

Actually, that's what I don't understand. My case is fallible, sure, but have you guys got any better?
Yes... The case on you.

You can't lynch me because I have made a fallible case against someone
Yes we can. Your word choice is incredibly bothering. The fact that you refer to the town as you guys especially.

or at least, I've never seen anyone lynched for that before. Day 1 is about getting reactions, and honestly, you rushing in to help Teal didn't help me get a reaction from him.
No one is rushing in to help Teal. If you read you would see that in fact I whole heartedly disagree with what he did.

Go on then, Athena or Camoclone, start a better discussion.
We have you.

Also your case of me buddying on alex is a really bad theory as well, because me saying "no lynches benefit neither town nor wolves" is literally a completely neutral statement, whether it was used as one or not. Can you really tell me that Day 1 no lynches benefit either the town or the anti-town more?
It benefits the anti-town more period.

I mean, obviously it benefits third parties the most, but third parties would also never be as blunt as alex was there in outing themselves as an advocator of the no lynch.
He does it every game...

Bolded.

Wow Camoclone, I don't get it. How are you so good at this game to have already figured out the subtle ways that we have been planning out for hours to back each other up?

Wolves DON'T like no lynches for the same reason the town SHOULD....

Your AtE doesn't bother me. And Wolves love no lynches. And scumbuddies don't plan to back each other up they just do it subtly.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Since alex has the most votes, would the whole Celever flips scum -> alex flips scum argument apply the other way around Camo?

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Since alex has the most votes, would the whole Celever flips scum -> alex flips scum argument apply the other way around Camo?

No... That's not how it works and I can suicide if I'm about to be lynched. That's not how it works at all >.<.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Ah o3o
Well, in that case;
##UNVOTE: alex
##VOTE: Celever
Still the best lead~

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Ah o3o
Well, in that case;
##UNVOTE: alex
##VOTE: Celever
Still the best lead~

How does my response change anything and why are you listening to me so much?

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Since alex has the most votes, would the whole Celever flips scum -> alex flips scum argument apply the other way around Camo?

No... That's not how it works and I can suicide if I'm about to be lynched. That's not how it works at all >.<.

Lol so when me and Celever "buddy up" we're both scum but when you Teal "buddy up" you aren't scum because "that's not how it works".

##Unvote: No Lynch
##Vote: Camoclone

Nope, I'm not getting a scumread from you, I just want you policy lynched.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

No... That's not how it works and I can suicide if I'm about to be lynched. That's not how it works at all >.<.

Lol so when me and Celever "buddy up" we're both scum but when you Teal "buddy up" you aren't scum because "that's not how it works".

##Unvote: No Lynch
##Vote: Camoclone

Nope, I'm not getting a scumread from you, I just want you policy lynched.

^Please lynch him after Celever flips scum. This is actually really terrible logic. He also admits to buddying. If he actually read then he'd realize that I attacked Teal and Celever.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Celever does actually seem pretty scummy to me. His undoubted certainty in all of his accusations (as well as the weakness of his case) is what's tipping me off that he's scum. He's usually not this confident when I've seen him play, and I've only seen him as either town or indie. He's my pick for our best lead at the moment.

I'm going to start some (more) discussion. Cinesra, do you think I'm scummy?

Not based on your one post so far.

Awesome! Now, what do you think of what's happening in the game right now?

##vote: alex
eww no D1 Lynch
Also, there was something in the post about Bisharp, Eron and Bryan needing to submit Night actions IIRC, but it must have been edited out.

Wow, you're late to the party, aren't you?

The real question is why Rev3rsor wasn't reading the thread. The ability slip made by WW doesn't matter one bit because of this everyone was required to submit something regardless if they had a usable ability or not (check the OP).

I checked the OP, and didn't find anything like that.

To me, this post looked like he was at least making an attack towards the players which WanderingWolf listed. When he said "My hunches tend to not be far off" I reread the post and to me it seems like he is trying to say that his hunch was that at least one of the 3 members listed if a wolf. I can't really see another hunch or theory there. I don't know if anyone else can explain to me what they think Teal meant by that.

It really doesn't. His use of "hunches" seems a little weird, but I think it's pretty clear me meant that he thinks they're all town.

Wow Camoclone, I don't get it. How are you so good at this game to have already figured out the subtle ways that we have been planning out for hours to back each other up?

Wolves SHOULD like no lynches for the same reason the town DOESN'T....

Fixed. No lynch Day 1 is as always a really bad idea for town. If we don't vote today, at what point are we going to vote? Once a PR has revealed themselves to out another as a wolf/town? I actually legit would like you (and any other advocators of a no lynch day 1) to answer that. If we lynch someone today, of any faction, we'll have a much higher likelihood of lynching a wolf/indie tomorrow. If we no lynch, we'll be in this same exact spot tomorrow, but the wolves have killed someone.

Eron, do you think I'm scum? (Yes, I'm going to continue doing this.)

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Abilities and Active Effects
Almost all players have at least one ability, or active effect included in their role. Often, mroe than just one. The difference between abilities and active effects is that abilities are a manual use, while active effects will be used without consent, given the right circumstances. Abilities most often require another player to be targeted, but the requirements differ.
To use an ability, PM me with the correct format shown in your rolecard.
If you do not want to use an ability, PM me with

[b]##NO ABILITY[/b]

All players must submit this regardless of if they have a usable ability or not.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Eron, do you think I'm scum? (Yes, I'm going to continue doing this.)

Oh no you don't. That's anti-town. Stop asking.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Ah o3o
Well, in that case;
##UNVOTE: alex
##VOTE: Celever
Still the best lead~

How does my response change anything and why are you listening to me so much?

I'm not "Listening" per se, but I agree with what you're saying. Also, I changed my vote because apparently if alex flips scum then Celever may not necessarily be scum. I can change this back if need be, however.

@MTC I didn't notice that people had mentioned it because I skimmed over the last few posts

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

How does my response change anything and why are you listening to me so much?

I'm not "Listening" per se, but I agree with what you're saying. Also, I changed my vote because apparently if alex flips scum then Celever may not necessarily be scum. I can change this back if need be, however.

@MTC I didn't notice that people had mentioned it because I skimmed over the last few posts

Yes you are. You are blindly following what I say. And admitting to skimming is bad. You are looking very scummy.

 

[Eron]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

I don't really know...

I'm confused about this discussion...

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

I'm not "Listening" per se, but I agree with what you're saying. Also, I changed my vote because apparently if alex flips scum then Celever may not necessarily be scum. I can change this back if need be, however.

@MTC I didn't notice that people had mentioned it because I skimmed over the last few posts

Yes you are. You are blindly following what I say. And admitting to skimming is bad. You are looking very scummy.

I wonder how many times I'll need to point out that I'm always the one that looks scummy this game...
I did read them afterwards, so it was a mistake on my part for not doing so earlier.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Yes you are. You are blindly following what I say. And admitting to skimming is bad. You are looking very scummy.

I wonder how many times I'll need to point out that I'm always the one that looks scummy this game...
I did read them afterwards, so it was a mistake on my part for not doing so earlier.

Pointing that out makes no difference. Use your own logic and don't blindly follow people. It's that simple.

 

[Haunted Water]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Oh wow. For once, I don't feel angry with Camo, as he's not going after everything that moves!
Anyway, alex's NL vote was pretty scummy, as that gives the scum one extra kill (since they don't need information). Eventhough he's calling a policy lynch on Camo, I still feel the need to vote him out.
##Vote: alex