Finished Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Members win!

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RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

alex said:
Celever said:
Uhh... That paragraph doesn't make sense? "Guess what? Wolves don't have doctors, so you decided to claim doctor to make you a PR?" alex, let me put this out for you straight forward. In every single NOC to date (aside from the fun randomized ones) there is a doctor. In this game, the doctor isn't dead, and it is me. You are arguing with the doctor and you are time wasting heavily.

I have no idea what NOC means, but given we are in a PMJ game, and a PMJ game where only like half the town has roles, there is definitely a huge possibility of there not being a doctor. And just because you claimed Doc does not mean that the true doc (if you are not) is just smart enough to not CC you yet so that he doesn't die.

Celever said:
I wouldn't ever class that as an attack... You said it yourself:
"You have also been trying to ATE the town ever since I have started going after you, using lots of emojis etc., trying really badly to 'subtly' push my lynch"

"Subtly push my lynch". An attack isn't subtle. Also I forgot to respond before, but I always use emoticons (I'm british, it's an emoticon to me) and you've read enough of my posts to know that. Honestly... just stop clutching here and accept your fate. rev3rsor kill alex with your role. If it is incorrect then feel free to lynch me even though I am your doctor. I am that certain of this guy. The 2-person voting thing can now be for who to lynch. Rev, if you want to wait for more opinions, that's also fine, but I am dead set on alex now.

You are VOTING me. You are pushing for my lynch in EVERY one of your posts. And you are saying you WEREN'T attacking me? R3versor, do not shoot me. If I die the wolves can bandwagon on SF given his current votes and end the game.

Celever said:
There are 9 players. The two of your wagoning on me so quickly appears to be alex, the alpha wolf (in terms of experience) finding an opportunity to lynch me, and then the much less experienced GM Draclord following his colleague. This constitutes as a wagon to me because as you're scum it would only take a bit of persuasion to get the village to lynch their doctor, which it appears you're doing anyway. And like I said, not only did I want the village to be more efficient, I wanted myself to be more efficient. The theory was that once I'm the confirmed doctor, I would be able to lead the village through the day and then be killed tonight having killed 2 scum successfully, leaving one left, and I wouldn't have to fight off attacks and defend myself as well as trying to lead. But apparently this particular member of the scum is so hell bent on lynching me that he would do anything to get me killed...

Celever said:
Yeah... well this WAS a game of 29 players. 2 one-shot vigs when there's 6 scum and a SK couple isn't a lot by any means, so I believe rev. I know that he's not confirmed until he shoots someone, but he's going to do so really soon and we are currently talking about who we should get him to kill. We may as well consider him confirmed in these discussions, as I doubt somewhat that we could convince him to kill himself with his vig lol.

29 players, 6 scum, 3 Indies. 20 players. Half of which are vanilla. 10 PRs. You really think PMJ, a really creative role maker, is going to have 1/5 of the town's roles be the exact same thing?

Celever said:
It's not the same as a regular vote. This way we can come to a democratical conclusion which all villagers must participate in. Not a "I don't wanna lynch him because I know others think he's not scum and I don't think so" because if you do that you will lose to the village's majority and likely be lynched tomorrow. It lets the village take lead and power, and in an environment where the scum are unfamiliar with the system it should out them easier. It did this with you.

Vote:
1) alex (2 points total)
2) Scorched Feathers (3 points total)

rev, do what you want, but it does look like your options now are alex and Scorched Feathers.

"Hey, R3versor, we are going to do a super democratical lynch. Oh by the way since only 2 out of the 9 plays have used my innovative voting technique, guess you just have to kill one of the ones we picked!"

Not only are you doing this, I'm not even sure why you think this would ever "out" a wolf. Why would a wolf gaf about whether or not we did this? This is literally the same exact thing as a regular vote except you choose a second person and the votes don't actually lynch anyone. But since we are doing this so democratically, how about I get a voice? My first pick is Celever, and I'll opt out of my second one rn because I haven't decided yet.

And I think it needs to be noted how hard Celever was fishing for roles with that massclaim that everyone (one other person) agreed with.

NOC = No Outside Communication = Every game on Pokebeach. OC (outside communication) occasionally doesn't have a town doctor, but almost always does. NOC just literally always does. It is a general rule on a couple of sites that if you create a set up it must have a doctor in it before it gets approved. Also yes IK that I am not confirmed doc because I claimed it, but for now there is no reason not to trust me unless another doc CCs, OK? The only thing that will result in that, though, is that you will immediately vote for me wagoning on your scum member's CC, the whole day will be spent arguing (like this right now!) and there will be NL, then tomorrow if we lynch incorrectly we lose, but if we have a seer, he can inspect the CC. Things like doctors don't come up in safe claims, it just doesn't happen! Yes, it gives doctors, seers etc. a free pass through the game (OR IT SHOULD IF ALEX ISN'T PLAYING!) but that's just how it turns out, usually. If, by the end of the day, you still contest my status as doctor, Rev will kill you unless youc an provide sufficient reasoning as to why I wouldn't be. Your "just because you claimed it doesn't mean you are it" thought proccess makes you either an INCREDIBLY stubborn villager who is being more detrimental to the village than I thought was possible (arguing with the doctor...) or a scum. And you are almost certainly a scum.

?-? This paragraph makes no sense, either. Yes I'm attacking you, however at that point of time I wasn't. I made a "subtle" passive-agressive nip at you which you blew out of proportion. This has always been a good way to find scum, because they tend to get a bit over-emotional later in the game with their defenses, villagers don't for the most part.

Half of which are vanillas? I can't even remembering a vanilla dying... And if there were 10 vanillas, we're only down to.... What, 6 now? The 2 one shots and I have PRs which means that SF can be telling the truth, and then the rest of your are vanilla?

Also why the hell are there 3 indies now? There's only the 2 porygons as far as we know....
LMAO if that is actually a slip it will absolutely make my day.

You guys have a vote. I'm glad that you used it, alex, as I will happily sacrifice myself to see you lynched afterwards. Revenge is sweet, so if enough votes come unto me to get me killed, I will do so to see you have the same fate immediately afterwards.

Why would ever gaf about it? BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE KILLED BY IT! I immediately voted for you and put you in the lead and then you immediately got defensive about it. As a protection maneuvour, whatever, but you're defensive about it because you could see wagoning on you with this vote a very real possibility.

Also sure, I was slightly fishing for roles with the mass claim. I wanted to see who to protect. I didn't think that there would be THAT many PRs left, and so I figured the mass claim with the doctor faking another role (I would've just found an old user and made myself a vanilla) would actually be good for us. Apparently not, and i can kinda see why now. Still, the main PR left has claimed anyway. I can only hope that the redirector doesn't claim, too, because apparently claiming your role in this game is really fricking scummy!
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

TheGuy said:
9. GM DracLord

I'm very much suspicious of him. Not all that active, doesn't contribute much, jumped on Celever pretty quickly, responded strangely when I voted for him, and was very quick to say that MTC was confirmed town (I'll explain why he's not a bit later.) If we decide to lynch him today I'd suspect MTC.

Fine. Since we are in a claiming mode I should lay down my claims then. I really don't like doing this. But first i want a couple guys to actually give their comment on the current stats.. The X brothers and alex. Then i will proceed
 
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and before that since you claiming half seer TheGuy it would not hurt you to also post your role PM.. just to support your case
 
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TheGuy I just want to contest one thing with you. I was so incredibly close to managing to kynch SF but he deterred it with a believable claim. I'd like further reasoning as to why you would put both SF and myself on a scumteam.

Also now that I have a far more important person to target with my doctor, it just feels like a waste if rev dies tonight... So I say after the mass claim we should let rev kill someone. Particularly if said person is named alex who has a strangely useless role...

TheGuy, could you post all of your other results please? Just interested in what they are, even if the players ared eas now.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Celever said:
] Particularly if said person is named alex who has a strangely useless role..
what's alex's role. Did he claimed at any point?
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Role: Eagle4
Alignment: Members

You are Eagle4, a member of PokeBeach Forums. Your bio is completely bare so you get no flavor.

Ability: Great Insight
Once each night you may PM me the name of a player. You will receive their role PM; fifty percent of the time safe claims will fail.

Win Condition: All non-Members eliminated

Celever said:
TheGuy I just want to contest one thing with you. I was so incredibly close to managing to lynch SF but he deterred it with a believable claim. I'd like further reasoning as to why you would put both SF and myself on a scumteam.

Also now that I have a far more important person to target with my doctor, it just feels like a waste if rev dies tonight... So I say after the mass claim we should let rev kill someone. Particularly if said person is named alex who has a strangely useless role...

TheGuy, could you post all of your other results please? Just interested in what they are, even if the players ared eas now.

The reason I associated the two of you was that SF was very much the top of conversation until you and alex started arguing and SF immediately ran towards your side. Now that you mention it, I do remember you being an advocate for an SF lynch which diminishes that claim which leads me to probably suspect Kec a bit more than you.

I'm opposed to rev killing someone today because if we're wrong about drac and whoever else we lynch/ rev kills then the wolves might be able to kill tonight and win if there's three of them. I'd like it and I'd think you all would like it if I at least got one more chance to use my role.

I'm refraining from posting all of my results because there aren't a whole lot of them still alive and I'd like to see if their claim matches the one that I have. If I post the ones I have the scum that I don't have their safe claims will feel free to make their roles more powerful.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

PMJ said:
Role: Reggie McGigas
Alignment: Members

You are Reggie McGigas, a member of PokeBeach Forums. As a person of undisclosed gender from an undisclosed location (that isn't Mexico), you joined the conflict when you heard that WPM scoffed at your meager 11 legit shinies.

Ability: By Litwick's Flame
Once each night you may PM me the name of any player. You will follow them and learn who they targeted last night. If you use this ability, you can't use Munna's Dream in the same night.

Ability: Munna's Dream
Once each night you may PM me the name of any player. You will go to sleep and, in a dream, learn who targeted that player last night. If you use this ability, you can't use By Litwick's Flame in the same night.

Win Condition: All non-Members eliminated

I'll post my results in a sec.
 
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...

Well that doesn't look like a safe claim... Not at all...

Jesus Christ why can't I scum read? ;O;
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

TheGuy said:
Role: Eagle4
Alignment: Members

You are Eagle4, a member of PokeBeach Forums. Your bio is completely bare so you get no flavor.

Ability: Great Insight
Once each night you may PM me the name of a player. You will receive their role PM; fifty percent of the time safe claims will fail.

Win Condition: All non-Members eliminated

Celever said:
TheGuy I just want to contest one thing with you. I was so incredibly close to managing to lynch SF but he deterred it with a believable claim. I'd like further reasoning as to why you would put both SF and myself on a scumteam.

Also now that I have a far more important person to target with my doctor, it just feels like a waste if rev dies tonight... So I say after the mass claim we should let rev kill someone. Particularly if said person is named alex who has a strangely useless role...

TheGuy, could you post all of your other results please? Just interested in what they are, even if the players ared eas now.

The reason I associated the two of you was that SF was very much the top of conversation until you and alex started arguing and SF immediately ran towards your side. Now that you mention it, I do remember you being an advocate for an SF lynch which diminishes that claim which leads me to probably suspect Kec a bit more than you.

I'm opposed to rev killing someone today because if we're wrong about drac and whoever else we lynch/ rev kills then the wolves might be able to kill tonight and win if there's three of them. I'd like it and I'd think you all would like it if I at least got one more chance to use my role.

I'm refraining from posting all of my results because there aren't a whole lot of them still alive and I'd like to see if their claim matches the one that I have. If I post the ones I have the scum that I don't have their safe claims will feel free to make their roles more powerful.

Also alex kicked off the argument ;p

But no srsly I'm kinda mind that alex isn't scum at this point. It could be an interesting safe, though I kinda doubt it. His results could confirm/falsify his claim.

Alex this whole argument could have been avoided if we'd just mass claimed earlier in the day like I suggested...
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Night 0: Tracked Teal, he targetted nobody.
Night 1: Tracked Keeper of Night, he targetted nobody.
Night 2: Watched sillykyle, Athena targetted him.
Night 3: Tracked Teal, he targetted Keeper of Night.
Night 4: Nothing, I forgot to send in my PM.
Night 5: Tracked Cinesra, he targetted WanderingWolf.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Celever said:
Alex this whole argument could have been avoided if we'd just mass claimed earlier in the day like I suggested...

Except that now we will probably lose either me or TheGuy tonight without either of us having found a wolf. Just make sure you don't say which of us you will target, that way there is a chance of you blocking the wolf kill.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

OK...

So the scum are Kecleon-X, GM Draclord and Scorched Feathers. I guess MTC isn't confirmed town, but eiher way I think this is most likely.

Kec and Drac, if you claim and it is very believable then you miht stay alive.

Especially Drac. We know that you are active.
 
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Right I'm here now.
I just wanted to point out that if I do die because of my ability, I confirm the person that I targeted as town. Also they don't die. (this seems pretty useful, except for me dying)
I feel like I should let alex defend himself first, but I'm leaning towards attacking drac. Maybe SF, but he reminds me a bit of me when I was newbie town.
Anyway I'll wait for alex's results before doing anything.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

oh ninja'd. Since we have some time until the day ends, I'll wait for drac to claim before doing anything.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

rev3rsor said:
Right I'm here now.
I just wanted to point out that if I do die because of my ability, I confirm the person that I targeted as town. Also they don't die. (this seems pretty useful, except for me dying)
I feel like I should let alex defend himself first, but I'm leaning towards attacking drac. Maybe SF, but he reminds me a bit of me when I was newbie town.
Anyway I'll wait for alex's results before doing anything.

Oh hi rev. I was just thinking about you, actually.

IK that some of you have been saying that we shouldn't let rev kill anyone because we auto-lose, but think about it.

9 players, 5 confo towns. If rev kills incorrectly, then sure, he dies (and apparently the townie doesn't!) but then we have a scum team left for us to lynch, which, actually does put us in LYLO for the rest of the game, but it's also easy to win via these lynches. If rev hits scum, then great! Not even in MYLO territory! ^_^

I also vote for killing Drac, but maybe SF because there's a vote on him I think. If he is town, then maybe the wolves would hammer, so SF is defo safest option.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Celever said:
PMJ PLEASE READ & ANSWER THIS: If an entire faction is killed, will you alert us?

Because this is the first game with the Admirer role, I will reveal that the Porygon faction has been eliminated.

Scorched Feathers: 0 (Celever)
GM DracLord: 1 (TheGuy TheGuy)
Kecleon-X: 1 (Celever)
Celever: 1 (alex GM DracLord)

Not voting: 5 (Porygon-X, GM DracLord, Machamp The Champion, Scorched Feathers, Kecleon-X)

Five to lynch. There are ~60 hours left in the day.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Also, the super mods are very close to victory.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

PMJ said:
Celever said:
PMJ PLEASE READ & ANSWER THIS: If an entire faction is killed, will you alert us?

Because this is the first game with the Admirer role, I will reveal that the Porygon faction has been eliminated.

Scorched Feathers: 0 (Celever)
GM DracLord: 1 (TheGuy TheGuy)
Kecleon-X: 1 (Celever)
Celever: 1 (alex GM DracLord)
alex: 1 (Celever)

Not voting: 5 (Porygon-X, GM DracLord, Machamp The Champion, Scorched Feathers, Kecleon-X)

Five to lynch. There are ~60 hours left in the day.

How am I voting both Kec and alex? I can't even remember voting for Kec! >_>

Also this is LYLO? S***! How the hell does that work? Therre's 4 scum left?

IDRK, though, because LYLO is always announced at the start of the day.

PMJ PLEASE CONFIRM IF IT IS LYLO OR IF IT IS MYLO TODAY

If it's LYLO then... IDK if we can use rev. But it can't be unless there's 4 scum left...
 
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Whoopsiedoodles! Fixed now.

Also I never said it was lylo. Or mylo. But I will.
 
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