Finished Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Members win!

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RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

TheGuy said:
Celever said:
Obviously I think that Scorched Feathers is scum, but actually I think that TheGuy might be on to something with Drac. It's nothing concrete, but the way he reacted to TheGuy was very... very... overly-calm, I suppose. He just said "ah you voted for me :(" and then left again. This is either noobtown who still doesn't understand what a lynch is or something, or indeed a scum feigning newbie-town. I am kinda leaning towards the latter, but I don't really know. I don't have concrete reads on any of the other either, though. They haven't posted enough. I can't quite remember though -- is one of the X-Brothers clean?

The person who was clean was sillykyle who was the role Porygon-X (which you are probably thinking of). Unless one of the Super mods was cut out of the game there are three left which is worst case scenario. Hopefully PMJ cut out one of the supermods because of low numbers of players. Even if there is three, under normal circumstances we shouldn't be able to lose today or tonight. However - it is extremely important that we get scum today.

Oh my God lol.

PANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC

Guys, not reaching a majority today is quite simply not an option. Scorched Feathers, if you claim now we can try and see if it is a good enough claim for us to not lynch you and to move on to someone else. If you don't claim very soon then we might have to take the chance and lynch you anyway, because we wouldn't have enough time until deadline...

Another thing in favour of SF being scum is the lack of pushing on this lynch. If he were townie then most mafias would jump at the opportunity and say "Ooh mislynch time!" but there is a total of 3 players who think that this is a good idea, in a game with about 9 left. If he were town, I would expect at least 4 players on SF and one townie standing the ground (since that's usually in) but eventually caving in after a while. This is, of course, assuming 2 Super Mods in the game. If there are 3... well we're screwed, pretty much.

Another question about Pokébeach:
If a faction is completely eliminated, is it standard for the host to inform us as such? On the sites where I've come from they always do, and I've just realized that the message wasn't there after Cinesra died. Is there still a Porygon member left!? In fact, the WC says that Porygon wins if they outnumber the game. Cinesra wasn't a recruiter, and IIRC neither was Drohn. Maybe the village has lost majority already through recruitment and/or numbers alone, and we're just here to watch Porygons and the Super Mods fight it out? :p That would also explain why Cinesra kept trying to kill the Super Mods. This is just a bit of speculation now, though.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Celever said:
Obviously I think that Scorched Feathers is scum, but actually I think that TheGuy might be on to something with Drac. It's nothing concrete, but the way he reacted to TheGuy was very... very... overly-calm, I suppose. He just said "ah you voted for me :(" and then left again. This is either noobtown who still doesn't understand what a lynch is or something, or indeed a scum feigning newbie-town. I am kinda leaning towards the latter, but I don't really know. I don't have concrete reads on any of the other either, though. They haven't posted enough. I can't quite remember though -- is one of the X-Brothers clean?


I meant to say 'Why' not 'ah'.. but I made a typo on my tablet..
Actually there was suppose to be another comment which i just realized didn't get posted due to an error.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

It's been abit tough on me since i'm not used to having my current role and not being able to share what my roles suppose to be doing since i'm not familiar of getting that role. So excuse my lack of post. I'm not a good analyzer.

On a different topic
But based on what happening so far.. I believe we still have our town seer but seeing S.Mod have fake-claim i think i know why the seer still didn't do anything to help the town maybe the fact that he can't seer through fake-claim.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

GM DracLord said:
It's been abit tough on me since i'm not used to having my current role and not being able to share what my roles suppose to be doing since i'm not familiar of getting that role. So excuse my lack of post. I'm not a good analyzer.

On a different topic
But based on what happening so far.. I believe we still have our town seer but seeing S.Mod have fake-claim i think i know why the seer still didn't do anything to help the town maybe the fact that he can't seer through fake-claim.

Nah, seers always see right through fakes. Otherwise there's no point in them, right?

Although I seem to remember PMJ mentioning something about seers earlier. Hold on a sec...
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

GM DracLord said:
It's been abit tough on me since i'm not used to having my current role and not being able to share what my roles suppose to be doing since i'm not familiar of getting that role. So excuse my lack of post. I'm not a good analyzer.

On a different topic
But based on what happening so far.. I believe we still have our town seer but seeing S.Mod have fake-claim i think i know why the seer still didn't do anything to help the town maybe the fact that he can't seer through fake-claim.

Oh well, I can't find it.

Something I would like to say, though, is that there hasn't actually been the death of a doctor, either. That's all, but it's interesting that the two staples of the village aren't dead. Good plays guys, whoever you are! ^_^
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Honestly, why would you think I'm scum other than my playstyle? But, since it seems I'm gonna have to claim:
PMJ said:
Role: Blui
Alignment: Members

You are Blui, a member of PokeBeach Forums. You fancy yourself a TCG faker, but you heard WPM said your fakes sucked, and that gets you super heated.

Passive Effect: Volatile
You will kill anyone who kills you (does not apply to being lynched).

Win Condition: All non-Members eliminated
This is my role in its entirety. Clear off wolves :V
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Pleas don't lynch anyone yet. I'm in an extremely tight hurry now, I'll explain tomorrow (in less than 24 hours). Sorry about this.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Sorry for being a little inactive - been really busy with school.

Celever said:
I can't quite remember though -- is one of the X-Brothers clean?

The wolves tried to kill me a couple nights back, but it was redirected to Haunted Water.

Honestly there's really no reason to believe SF's claim because in order to confirm it he'd already have to be dead, making it the perfect safeclaim for a wolf.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Which is why I didn't want to claim unless enough people wanted to.
I honestly expected this to happen v.v
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Porygon-X said:
Sorry for being a little inactive - been really busy with school.

Celever said:
I can't quite remember though -- is one of the X-Brothers clean?

The wolves tried to kill me a couple nights back, but it was redirected to Haunted Water.

Honestly there's really no reason to believe SF's claim because in order to confirm it he'd already have to be dead, making it the perfect safeclaim for a wolf.

Ehhh I believe it. Like really. I have little-to-no inclination to anyone in this game being scum now, but that is definitely a great claim. Yeah, you can't confirm that role unless he's dead, but you can't do that with a lot of important roles, such as cop (if there's a cc) or doctor. Thanks for the answer to my other question though! ;)
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Oh hold on a second. Has a redirector died yet? I don't think so... If they have, then this role list is weird at this stage in the game:
9 players
3/2 scum
5/6 town
1/0 porygon

PMJ PLEASE READ & ANSWER THIS: If an entire faction is killed, will you alert us?

Basically, we have a redirector, doctor and inspector still alive. I personally believe SF here, which gives us... well 1 or 2 townie roles which aren't out in the open. This does limit fakes quite a bit, so it could be easier to rat out the scum should we mass claim. What do you guys think of a mass claim? Personally, I think the order should go like this (put me in there anywhere):

Porygon-X
rev3rsor
GM Draclord
Kecleon-X
alex
TheGuy
Machamp The Champion

What do all of you think to a mass claim? It could be the success of the village! ^_^
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

I'd support the idea of a mass-claim. Some of the safeclaims aren't the best, so it should be easier to tell who's who.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Celever said:
Basically, we have a redirector, doctor and inspector still alive. I personally believe SF here, which gives us... well 1 or 2 townie roles which aren't out in the open. This does limit fakes quite a bit, so it could be easier to rat out the scum should we mass claim. What do you guys think of a mass claim? Personally, I think the order should go like this (put me in there anywhere):

The only problem is that as you said it's likely we still have those roles. Do you want those PR's to reveal themselves to the wolves or should they fake claim just as the wolves would which just leaves us with the option of lynching either PR's or scum even if we can find the fake claims which is doutable considering PMJ wrote the safe claims.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

TheGuy said:
Celever said:
Basically, we have a redirector, doctor and inspector still alive. I personally believe SF here, which gives us... well 1 or 2 townie roles which aren't out in the open. This does limit fakes quite a bit, so it could be easier to rat out the scum should we mass claim. What do you guys think of a mass claim? Personally, I think the order should go like this (put me in there anywhere):

The only problem is that as you said it's likely we still have those roles. Do you want those PR's to reveal themselves to the wolves or should they fake claim just as the wolves would which just leaves us with the option of lynching either PR's or scum even if we can find the fake claims which is doutable considering PMJ wrote the safe claims.

Well we need a successful lynch today. I'm probably as sour as you are about revealing the PRs, but if something like the inspector is revealed... Well, it'll hurt, but not too much this far into the game, all things considered.

However, it could certainly be a good idea for the doctor to fake it. If he starts to get wagoned... Well, he can claim then.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

I actually like the idea of a mass claim. The wolves can probably guess who the PR's are at this point, and I really don't have any solid leads, so I think Town getting that info would really help us. If there are actually a lot of them left, they'll probably find one of them today anyway. There's also a large possibility that there are no big Power Roles in this game, since Seers don't go through safe claims. (This was said earlier on. Don't feel like finding it, but I'm 90% sure it was said.) I don't think it really matters what order people claim, since the wolves will likely just use their fake claims.

I'd like to hear what rev has to say. It sounds important.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

Okay I'm online now. Sorry about my sudden post last night; I had to go to something on very short notice.
I'll just get to the point. My ability lets me attack a person in the day. If they're scum they die and I gain protection; if they're town I die.
I've wanted to stay quiet so that I'd kinda fly under the radar for a bit while I wait for a good opportunity to find a scum to kill. I think that today would be a good time for me/us to find a scum, because now that I've revealed, if I don't use my ability I'm going to be killed. Another reason that I've revealed is that I don't want to go by myself since I'm not particularly good at finding scum or anything; I would ideally like for you guys to help me decide on a target.

@Drac I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you or not, but did you claim a role in your post above? And if so, could you explain to me what it is?
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

I did not claim any role.. Since im as good as a vanilla with my current condition... Although i support mass claim. I dont think i want to claim in order where im early
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

GM DracLord said:
I did not claim any role.. Since im as good as a vanilla with my current condition... Although i support mass claim. I dont think i want to claim in order where im early

Well you've already prepared us for the worst, so I would claim if I were you. However, thank you so much for that rev.

Scorched Feathers, I doubt that there would be 3 roles of essentially "one-shot vig" itg. MTC proved himself, and rev's claim is so much more believable than yours...

However, I would like both of you to post your role PMs. We've actually got 4 people for a mass claim now I think (me, MTC, Drac, SF) so if one more person explicitly says "let's mass claim" we should all just do it immediately. However, I still want the inactives to do it first. If they don't claim (I haven't even seen Kec post for a long time here) then they could get lynched later on, so... Yeah. I've seen Kec on Pokebeach though, he just hasn't posted here.

Am I still lynching you SF? Idk...
##UNBURN: Scorched Feathers
##CAMOUFLAGE THE DEAD BODY OF: Kecleon-X


Post. Just post something lol.
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

It's way too early for a massclaim. It will help nobody but the wolves, they all have safeclaims so they won't care, but they'll be able to kill the rest of power roles no problem leaving us even more stranded.

Celever, that's the final straw for me.

##Vote: Celever
 
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 6 ends June 17 at 12 PM CDT.

alex said:
It's way too early for a massclaim. It will help nobody but the wolves, they all have safeclaims so they won't care, but they'll be able to kill the rest of power roles no problem leaving us even more stranded.

Celever, that's the final straw for me.

##Vote: Celever

I suggested it, many others decided to go with the idea. I really don't understand the problem with a mass claim here; the majority of these safe claims are really quite useless abilities, and so we can just lynch one of the useless ones. I've already explained that at this stage in the game inspectors are really useless, and actually, they can't see through safe claims anyway. I already said above that the doctor should come up with a fake claim himself. If we start lynching him then he can claim. I also don't really see why you should say it's too early for a mass claim. If TheGuy is right and there's 3 scum left, that's 6 townies, and 3 scum, or possibly 5 town and a porygon straggler. What I'm saying, is that if we lynch falsely today, we MUST lynch scum for the rest of the game and we MUST mass claim tomorrow. If there's a Porygon straggler and we fail our lynch today, then he would have likely taken over Cinesra's killing abilities and... well we lose. This is the optimum time for a mass claim if we are ever going to do one.

##ALEX: alex
Yeah say OMGUS if you want, but honestly not wanting to mass claim at this stage in the game, with the fatly logic that you showed, and also seeing an opportunity to try and push that lynch on me, appears to be very scummy to me, and because of my lack of reads currently, put you at #1 on my scum list.

Thanks to your reluctance to have a mass claim, if we do have one, I would like you to go first. What do you all think? :)
 
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