Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins

[Shampoo Thief]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

I admittedly am unfamiliar with the French Revolution beyond the basics. I assumed the Reign of Terror was just a reference to the ruling class terrorizing the citizens. This puts a hole in my case, because it says he will go along with the town (not the nobles like I thought it meant). However, I think the case still stands and, like you said, treat him with caution.

As for how the ability works, maybe drohn can shine some light on that. Of course he could lie about it. Good thing we have Celever to make sure he isn't

 

[Chaos Jackal]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

The thing that bugs me about that theory is that if these were theoretical players (that Drohn was competing with), TheGuy would have differentiated them from the players that Drohn must pass the winning item to in some way.

Plus, "one in twenty" is the same thing as 5%. No item could justify such odds unless it was mind-blowingly OP.

Yeah, you have a point. Still, the role would be really badly written, faked, or at least unconnected to other similar roles if they exist. I seriously can't see how the ability would work if there are more players with it, unless Drohn is either hiding something, or any of the players can simply draw a card and in case there is more than one player using it, then someone wins... which still doesn't reply to what happens if other players like this are dead, meaning that the role isn't really descriptive.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

May I just point something out? Drohn's edited his role. On Lugia's role, it says Night 1 Ability, where on Drohn's version it says just Ability.
Full Role Please, Drohn.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Wait
oh
OH
#Fletchlingneedstoread
Yeah, it's more believable now. Derp.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

SF, L2 read and keep up lazy baka. Lugia is a mime and only copies a target for 1 night, therefore he only has my ability on night 1. I have the same ability the whole game.

PMJ said ST has a good point, and I assume you mean about the other players? I received no other information nor any other private messages, but I assumed there are other players (perhaps even enemies) with similar roles and we're competing for an item.

Maybe ##TheGuy is willing to confirm if this is how the role works.

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Lugia's modkill was disappointing, he had a good seer-like role. Oh well, nothing can be done about it now.

I would vote for Luispipe just to help get the day over with, but I really don't see him as being scum. And losing a town member with that ability so early could prove harmful late-game. No one really jumps out as scum to me, honestly. I might just not change my vote for the rest of the day. No hard feelings Reinforce, right?

/shrugs As long as it doesn't end in my demise, I'm pretty cool on a lot of things.

The flavor of Drohn's role leans more to indie or very slightly scum than town to me, but basing on flavor isn't good, solid evidence, so I'd rather know and ask more about the ability itself, what Drohn knows of it, for the most part. I do have to wonder why you didn't use it on Night 0 if you believed it useful. Was that on purpose (you being cautious, perhaps?) or accidental? Especially if/since this is your only ability for use.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

What?

What is unclear? In the argument between yourself and Alex over Luis I believe Alex is the one that makes sense. Therefore I do not think we should just vote him out..

He was saying that you contradicted yourself.

Okay, so... @Chaos_Jackal: Did the nobles in the French Revolution, finding their money completely tapped, ever resort to gambling or anything like Drohn's role? We know for a fact that he has a role called "Card Games, Silly Card Games" -- I'm just trying to figure out if he's town-like or not, and right now the only way I can think about doing that is by flavor, and you seem to be the most knowledgeable in that regard.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

@Kecleon: How did I contradict myself? I did not say voting on Alex made sense. I said Alex's arguments made more sense than Camoclone's arguments.

@Reinforce: The reason I didn't use it N0 was because I didn't check the thread for a few days, since I thought role confirming would take a bit longer. When I checked again N0 was over and people already started talking in D1.

 

[Chaos Jackal]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

The nobles could resort to staff like that... though, most of the time, if a noble lost his belongings, he usually lost his life along with them. Plus, there were a lot of people who were poor after the revolution (they didn't fix that for all their break-through achievements). Therefore, I seriously doubt that Drohn is a nobleman trying to make up for what he's lost through gambling.

About the role though, while I do see how one can think that there are other players with that ability, I still fail to understand how it can be made sure that everyone will use the ability, and what happens if there is only one user left.

 

[Chaos Jackal]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

If you didn't use the ability, could you please explain how the mime copied you? Did the host make a mistake? Because if he didn't, it's quite possible that you did get the item and lie about it so as not to reveal its abilities.

TheGuy, are you sure you didn't make a mistake giving Lugia Drohn's ability?

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

CJ, I asked ##TheGuy the same question here: http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-werewolf-xxii-the-reign-of-terror-day-1-ends-august-2nd?pid=2645294#pid2645294

I think it was a mistake that he got my ability.

 

[TheGuy]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

I made a mistake with Lugia's role. The person that Lugia targeted did not use their ability but the copied role was still given to Lugia.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Thanks for clearing that up. <3

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

The reason I didn't use it N0 was because I didn't check the thread for a few days, since I thought role confirming would take a bit longer. When I checked again N0 was over and people already started talking in D1.

Oh, I see. Okay.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

I made a mistake with Lugia's role. The person that Lugia targeted did not use their ability but the copied role was still given to Lugia.

This looks like the work of...

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Wait. I lied. Lugia said he targeted Drohn, so he was not redirected.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Oh Wait a sec lol. Is this just regular old host error, where he got the role when he should not have? ##TheGuy confirm please.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

He already confirmed that, PMJ. Lugia should have only gotten my ability if I used it. I actually missed my chance of using it that night so Lugia should not have gotten my ability. My ability is one that is best used every night so I can understand why TheGuy made the mistake. I actually would have used it if I checked back in time.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

@Kecleon: How did I contradict myself? I did not say voting on Alex made sense. I said Alex's arguments made more sense than Camoclone's arguments.

I see. I read:

I think Alex is the one that makes sense here.

As:

I think Alex [being the target for lynch] is the one that makes sense here.

Which would contradict this:

I disagree with voting on Alex and right now I'm more suspicious of Camoclone, Celever, and MTC.

That, I think, is what Camoclone read, and of course what you didn't mean. I get it now.

Thanks, CJ -- I kind of figured about that, but I also wouldn't put it past a person in a tight spot to start gambling to make ends meet. Flavor aside, I am of the opinion that Drohn's role is probably legitimate, I think. At least for the moment, because, as someone else has pointed out (I think it was PMJ) that could easily be an indy role. I mean, seeing as the words "You don't care much for the revolution" are the first words in the flavor, and every town role is conceivably a revolutionary in this setting, it could easily be a non-town role. Not necessarily a wolf, but still.

Also, I think I missed what was making Wailord so scummy in people's eyes. Could someone give me a refresher, please?

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Do independent roles also receive an example of a town role/win condition? I'm not sure if ##TheGuy can confirm this, but he did do it for the wolves.

If that is not the case, the fact I knew for certain Luis' win condition was the exact same for town should be proof that my role is not independent (or that I was taking a big risk with believing Luis, which wouldn't be worth it at the time, because obviously I didn't know my ability would be made public later). It also wouldn't make sense that the wolves won't care about who wins, so only town would be left.