Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins
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RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd
I don't distrust you much Drohn, but I have to point this out: What you just posted is a less common version of WIFOM. WIFOM is where a player puts forward two options, knowing that whatever the outcome it will be positive for them, or where they know the outcome and that it will be positive for them. This is why it is one of these situations with your post, from your perspective:
Whatever TheGuy answers it looks positive for me. If he answers "yes" it means that indie roles do get the WC, but because I asked him I couldn't have known that and I wouldn't have brought it to light because it would make my argument lose power. However, if TheGuy answers "no" it shows that I am town because I knew the Win Condition and we can all agree that I am not scum.
Back to me: If TheGuy answers no we might have to look into you as more of a wolf than an indie. If he answers yes your argument doesn't hold weight. Plus, this is all assuming that you didn't just take a gamble as an indie and assume that Luis had the WC correct. He probably wouldn't have posted his Role PM if he didn't have the correct WC, so you could have used some nice quick thinking to gain townie points.
tl;dr: That post's reasoning holds no weight. :]
Drohn said:
I don't distrust you much Drohn, but I have to point this out: What you just posted is a less common version of WIFOM. WIFOM is where a player puts forward two options, knowing that whatever the outcome it will be positive for them, or where they know the outcome and that it will be positive for them. This is why it is one of these situations with your post, from your perspective:
Whatever TheGuy answers it looks positive for me. If he answers "yes" it means that indie roles do get the WC, but because I asked him I couldn't have known that and I wouldn't have brought it to light because it would make my argument lose power. However, if TheGuy answers "no" it shows that I am town because I knew the Win Condition and we can all agree that I am not scum.
Back to me: If TheGuy answers no we might have to look into you as more of a wolf than an indie. If he answers yes your argument doesn't hold weight. Plus, this is all assuming that you didn't just take a gamble as an indie and assume that Luis had the WC correct. He probably wouldn't have posted his Role PM if he didn't have the correct WC, so you could have used some nice quick thinking to gain townie points.
tl;dr: That post's reasoning holds no weight. :]
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd
Townies aren't necessarily revolutionaries. During the Revolution, there was a large number of people who simply tried to carry on with their lives. These people weren't in favor of the king, and especially during the Reign of Terror, they didn't have the chance to be neutral either. As such, common citizens can be allied with the town whether or not they really support the Revolution (pointed in their flavor) because during the Reign of Terror pretty much everyone was at risk of losing their neck at the slightest hint of noble ancestry or royalty supporting (often fake accusations). The Reign of Terror is exactly what it says. An era where people pointed fingers to each other or tried to lie down as much as possible. In many ways, as TheGuy said, it's an example of mafia coming alive (except for the fact that during the Reign of Terror, while many innocents died, there really was no way for the nobility to win).
What I mean is that whether or not a role isn't clear about supporting the Revolution doesn't mean it's scum or even indie. It didn't matter who was with the Revolution, what mattered was who was against it, or who had the guts to risk his head by not supporting either side. "I don't like the Revolution, but I'm afraid" flavors should generally be taken as town. Drohn's role isn't even that, obviously, and him being an indie and hiding it (especially considering that he was indie in Members' Revolt and things didn't turn well for him) is quite possible.
Townies aren't necessarily revolutionaries. During the Revolution, there was a large number of people who simply tried to carry on with their lives. These people weren't in favor of the king, and especially during the Reign of Terror, they didn't have the chance to be neutral either. As such, common citizens can be allied with the town whether or not they really support the Revolution (pointed in their flavor) because during the Reign of Terror pretty much everyone was at risk of losing their neck at the slightest hint of noble ancestry or royalty supporting (often fake accusations). The Reign of Terror is exactly what it says. An era where people pointed fingers to each other or tried to lie down as much as possible. In many ways, as TheGuy said, it's an example of mafia coming alive (except for the fact that during the Reign of Terror, while many innocents died, there really was no way for the nobility to win).
What I mean is that whether or not a role isn't clear about supporting the Revolution doesn't mean it's scum or even indie. It didn't matter who was with the Revolution, what mattered was who was against it, or who had the guts to risk his head by not supporting either side. "I don't like the Revolution, but I'm afraid" flavors should generally be taken as town. Drohn's role isn't even that, obviously, and him being an indie and hiding it (especially considering that he was indie in Members' Revolt and things didn't turn well for him) is quite possible.
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd
^ I've stated before that I disagree with this argument of flavour because my role is the same. The only mention of it is something about "enduring the revolution" as opposed fighting in it. I believe Drohn's follows the same or a similar suit to my role in terms of flavour, and I'm most definitely town, so any argument of flavour against Drohn's opening paragraph is completely and utterly moot in my eyes, and I kindly ask people to not mention it again for sanity reasons...
Although it is interesting just how similar the Reign of Terror was to mafia nowadays, just with guillotines as opposed to ropes lol. I'm just happy I wasn't part of it, as I would be killed very quickly. I just always tend to be killed in these games, town or not!
^ I've stated before that I disagree with this argument of flavour because my role is the same. The only mention of it is something about "enduring the revolution" as opposed fighting in it. I believe Drohn's follows the same or a similar suit to my role in terms of flavour, and I'm most definitely town, so any argument of flavour against Drohn's opening paragraph is completely and utterly moot in my eyes, and I kindly ask people to not mention it again for sanity reasons...
Although it is interesting just how similar the Reign of Terror was to mafia nowadays, just with guillotines as opposed to ropes lol. I'm just happy I wasn't part of it, as I would be killed very quickly. I just always tend to be killed in these games, town or not!
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd
Oh by the way, am I the only person who doesn't actually understand why Lugia was modkilled? I mean, he fulfilled his posting restriction's requirements...
"Passive Effect: PLEASE STOP COPYING ME
In each post you must quote another person’s post."
^ He quoted someone else's posted in both of the posts he made!
Oh by the way, am I the only person who doesn't actually understand why Lugia was modkilled? I mean, he fulfilled his posting restriction's requirements...
"Passive Effect: PLEASE STOP COPYING ME
In each post you must quote another person’s post."
^ He quoted someone else's posted in both of the posts he made!
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd
Knowing that he was modkilled for talking I assume he wasn't supposed to add his own text after the quote. I think he was supposed to only[//b] quote others. I do agree that description is very unclear and didn't specify it. I was confused about that myself and it's probably more confusing for Lugia, a first time player. TheGuy did mention he warned Lugia, though, so perhaps he already specified in the warning that he wasn't supposed to add his own text after the quote. If that's the case it makes sense to me that he was modkilled.
Knowing that he was modkilled for talking I assume he wasn't supposed to add his own text after the quote. I think he was supposed to only[//b] quote others. I do agree that description is very unclear and didn't specify it. I was confused about that myself and it's probably more confusing for Lugia, a first time player. TheGuy did mention he warned Lugia, though, so perhaps he already specified in the warning that he wasn't supposed to add his own text after the quote. If that's the case it makes sense to me that he was modkilled.
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd
There are two different posts he made without quotes. The first being his post where he revealed his role.
There are two different posts he made without quotes. The first being his post where he revealed his role.
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd
Oh ok, thanks. I went back and ctrl+f'd his name and looked for quotes. I must've mispelt it on that page or something, as I only saw the one unquoted post. I had the same idea as Drohn for a while, but that wasn't what TheGuy told him, so I decided I was wrong lol. But then when he died, TheGuy said "mimes aren't supposed to talk" which was the really weird thing.
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Oh ok, thanks. I went back and ctrl+f'd his name and looked for quotes. I must've mispelt it on that page or something, as I only saw the one unquoted post. I had the same idea as Drohn for a while, but that wasn't what TheGuy told him, so I decided I was wrong lol. But then when he died, TheGuy said "mimes aren't supposed to talk" which was the really weird thing.
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