Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins

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Celever said:
It's worth noting that two people could have targeted Lenny, the killer and grant, but looking at the flavour I find it somewhat unlikely.
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My apologies for a double post.

That is possible (and in which case I would look really bad) but I think it's unlikely enough for me (and some others) to put huge suspicion on grant. It would need some other ability to stop the killer, or Lenny to be deathproof (which he hasn't claimed).
 
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TheGuy said:
There are three main factions in this game: The Town, The Royalty and Their Sympathizers (Scum), and the Invaders (Indie Group). There may or may not be other independent roles.
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Quoted from TheGuy's opening post of this game. The Invaders ARE the Indies. With the label as a 'group' though, it could be like a lesser wolf team instead of a single Serial Killer?

And Celever, I thought of that too and stated as such in the previous post, but even if that had happened - e.g. someone else, a wolf, targeted Lenny - then Lenny should have died. But he didn't. And reading the flavor if it's worth anything, there was a mention of how the wolves "tried, but couldn't", which meant they were hindered in some manner, which matches with what rev3rsor is claiming so far.
 
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I meant that the group would include a SK, my bad.

If the flavour's anything to go by, the wolf kill was blocked, since the King is the one in charge of The Royalty, imo.
 
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Reinforce said:
TheGuy said:
There are three main factions in this game: The Town, The Royalty and Their Sympathizers (Scum), and the Invaders (Indie Group). There may or may not be other independent roles.
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Quoted from TheGuy's opening post of this game. The Invaders ARE the Indies. With the label as a 'group' though, it could be like a lesser wolf team instead of a single Serial Killer?

And Celever, I thought of that too and stated as such in the previous post, but even if that had happened - e.g. someone else, a wolf, targeted Lenny - then Lenny should have died. But he didn't. And reading the flavor if it's worth anything, there was a mention of how the wolves "tried, but couldn't", which meant they were hindered in some manner, which matches with what rev3rsor is claiming so far.
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Could have been a doctor. IDK, don't take this as any kind of defense for grant, I'm just trying to consider all possibilities! :p
 
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

Whoa, a lot happened while I was asleep! I was not expecting PMJ to be a wolf at all, so it's fortunate he was killed. From the flavor, it does in fact appear as if the alpha wolf was roleblocked, so I'm inclined to believe rev3ersor.

##GGSCUM: grantm1999
 
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Good morning all, how was-

Well, that pretty much confirms it. I have no problem with voting for grant based on rev3rsor's evidence, so let's lynch some scum!

##DECAPITATE: grantm1999

This'll be a pretty short day though, which seems like the only downside, but it's worth it.
 
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##unvote: grantm1999

Let's get some discussion in here, not just a 2 day instalynch. We just lost a day, no reason to lose another one.
 
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TwistedTurtwig said:
Good morning all, how was-

Well, that pretty much confirms it. I have no problem with voting for grant based on rev3rsor's evidence, so let's lynch some scum!

##DECAPITATE: grantm1999

This'll be a pretty short day though, which seems like the only downside, but it's worth it.
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TT, why did you feel the need to physically lynch grant as opposed to just saying "I support a grant lynch but don't want the day to end early". You even acknowledged the fact that the day would end early in that very same post!
 
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alex, Celever, you do have a point there. Though no matter who we may suspect as wolf from discussion we generate today, grantm1999 is still the more assured wolf lynch IMO.

What should we discuss though? The roles of the dead? Flavor?
 
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WAIT WAIT WAIT. If we have the alpha wolf confirmed can we not keep him alive and role block him every day to keep the wolves from doing any damage while we find the other wolves?

I also agree we should talk some more today before insta lynching.

So ##unvote: grantm1999
 
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Wow, it feels good to wake up and not being falsely targeted for a change. :p I've some errands to run today, so I'll join the discussion later tonight. I'm also going back to the University tomorrow, I'll most probably keep reading but I won't be able to post a lot, just in case someone points out my lack of contribution/stalking. I wanted to discuss Teal's role, because it looks rather curious, I'll get to it later. And I also have no reasons(yet) not to believe rev, so I agree on a Grant lynch, well knowing that if he's town then rev's the next target. Not voting yet so discussion can take place, though. See you guys later!
 
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Drohn that is actually a really good idea. If we don't lynch grant, Celever seems an extremely obvious wolf to me. Was heavily against SF's lynch yesterday and is now somehow trying to make reasons to not lynch grant either.
 
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I was suspicious of Celever, but he did make a good point with when he defended me and pointed out his safe claim. On the other hand he could have used my role as an example for his own "fake claim" and say they are similar because of that. I'm not really sure, but I'm not THAT suspicious of him anymore. Still a little though.

Do you think the independent invader group will try to get our role blockers while we block grantm1999, though? We don't know if we have more people that can block (hide yourselves well if you're out there, and block grantm1999 if we decide not to lynch him! :p).
 
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Unless, I read PMJ's role wrong, anyone who targets him can't be killed that night. Since PMJ was killed by the Invaders, could that mean Lenny couldn't be killed, because he targeted PMJ?
It's not the strongest case and honestly I think a grant lynch is just as, if not more viable, but I was just trying to generate some discussion and see what everyone else thinks.
 
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@Wailord_2 Lenny made no mention if his role/ability allows him to pick targets, but you've stated a possibility, I think. It's a very low chance, though, and it can be disproved if Lenny doesn't have a targeting ability or if he targeted someone else last night.

@Drohn That's true... but that plan won't work if the wolf kill set-up is that the alpha wolf just chooses one of his fellow wolves and that wolf will do the kill, so even if grant is roleblocked, the alpha will just choose another wolf who will perform the kill. I recall reading up some WW game set-ups like that. Still doesn't make grant any less likely to be a wolf though if rev3rsor is correct.
 
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Celever said:
TwistedTurtwig said:
Good morning all, how was-

Well, that pretty much confirms it. I have no problem with voting for grant based on rev3rsor's evidence, so let's lynch some scum!

##DECAPITATE: grantm1999

This'll be a pretty short day though, which seems like the only downside, but it's worth it.
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TT, why did you feel the need to physically lynch grant as opposed to just saying "I support a grant lynch but don't want the day to end early". You even acknowledged the fact that the day would end early in that very same post!
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If it makes you feel any better, I'll unvote him, but first... Why are you specifically picking me out? I'm sure that others have realized the same thing, I was just the one who voiced the concern. But as we should try and generate some discussion before lynching grant, I'll temporarily retract my vote.

UNDECAPITATE: grantm1999
 
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TwistedTurtwig said:
Celever said:
TT, why did you feel the need to physically lynch grant as opposed to just saying "I support a grant lynch but don't want the day to end early". You even acknowledged the fact that the day would end early in that very same post!
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If it makes you feel any better, I'll unvote him, but first... Why are you specifically picking me out? I'm sure that others have realized the same thing, I was just the one who voiced the concern. But as we should try and generate some discussion before lynching grant, I'll temporarily retract my vote.

UNDECAPITATE: grantm1999
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I targeted you because you had a large contradiction in your post for a townie. An anti-townie would want a day to end early; less time for the town to fling suspicion around. The fact that you acknowledged the fact that the day would end early in your post but decided to lynch grant anyway is scummy to me.
 
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That something to digest. PMJ was one of least i suspect as a wolf (based on my view on other's view of other player).
I do agree we don't need to bandwagon on grant which would make the day end early. but i'm not against of voting against him either
 
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alex said:
Drohn that is actually a really good idea. If we don't lynch grant, Celever seems an extremely obvious wolf to me. Was heavily against SF's lynch yesterday and is now somehow trying to make reasons to not lynch grant either.
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What? I'm not against grant's lynch and I never was against it. I was and am against his instalynch, though, something which you backed me up on...

Drohn said:
I was suspicious of Celever, but he did make a good point with when he defended me and pointed out his safe claim. On the other hand he could have used my role as an example for his own "fake claim" and say they are similar because of that. I'm not really sure, but I'm not THAT suspicious of him anymore. Still a little though.

Do you think the independent invader group will try to get our role blockers while we block grantm1999, though? We don't know if we have more people that can block (hide yourselves well if you're out there, and block grantm1999 if we decide not to lynch him! :p).
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OK, basically I'm not going to be as reluctant to claim as some other people because I don't have a very powerful role. This is why I have been open about releasing the gist of my flavour and everything as well. However, if you push my lynch to the point of claiming with the limited case you have it will seem scummy, even if I don't seriously suspect you right now. I do sorta suspect alex though. I mean, he's all over the place. He buddied me at the start of yesterday because I agreed with him about no lynching (mainly to generate more discussion and have my gamely argument with Camo :p). Then I pushed Luis' lynch which he disagreed with and stopped buddying me completely. Now he is lynching me. He is saying that he is trying to play decisively and firmly, but that is an example of a shifting opinion of a player right there. While I do think grant is the best lynch by far (it's a silly punt to take when as Reinforce kindly ninja's me on, the wolves will probably be able to bypass the role block anyway (this is the only site which plays it the alpha wolf way where they always perform the kills, and not every game even does it that way lol)) so I'd prefer not to waste a lynch and have a townie die when there is an ALMOST confirmed scum.

But Wailord_2's epiphany is really something to ask ourselves about. I find such as accurate cross fire unlikely (because statistically it is lol) but honestly I think that when the invaders killed PMJ they legitimately thought he was town. Pretty sure everyone else in the game did too! :p As such, it is the wolves' cross fire on Lenny which is the strangest part about it, but that doesn't have anything to do with Wailord's theory. So IDK. Basically, when grant is lynched and is town, Lenny could be worth a look at before rev.

Also, I know that this is probably pretty unsubstantial, but my role name is Béatrice Astor. The grave accent must make me French lol. Girl power :3
 
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