RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th
Rather than focusing on alex, who may or may not be scum (probably not), I think we should focus on Kecleon-X, who I believe is probably (I'm 90% sure) scum.
On Day 1, Camoclone heavily tunnelled Luispipe in order to get a reaction to discern if Luispipe was a wolf. Camoclone admitted he had no evidence for this, however:
Camoclone said:
There was absolutely nothing to hold against you until you started posting. We were making everything up. Now I believe you are scum based off your reaction to the pressure,
Camoclone then analysed the reactions of Luispipe, and declared that his reaction was similar to that of a newb wolf. Kecleon, knowing this was a mistake from Camoclone, jumped in and backed Camoclone up:
Kecleon-X said:
I actually agree with what you've pointed out here, Camo. Having been newb wolf at one point (My first game, actually), I can totally attest to this behavior.
##UNOMGUS: Porygon-X
##D-MAIL: Luispipe
Here we see PMJ (who we know was a wolf) and Kecleon play off each other to make each other seem like good townies:
Kecleon-X said:
PMJ said:
Celever said:
PMJ, were you this stubborn in your first game? Like I get the whole OMGUS thing being a noobtown AND noobscum trait, but refusing to claim just doesn't make sense to me.
I was, actually. Pretty sure I even did the retaliatory OMGUS vote too.
I didn't claim because the town was full speed ahead on my lynch. Any argument I made was just written off as scum tactic, and role reveal was not allowed so I could not claim seer.
Luis, if you claim, you are probably still going to die unless your role is provable right now. "Give me another day to prove it" is a typical scum tactic to defer their inevitable lynch. If you think it will save you, go ahead, but know the risks involved.
Really? Seeing as my first game I was a wolf, I wouldn't know how a newb town would react, which could be the same as newb wolf. Hm. Maybe I should rethink my vote, seeing as it's more based off my own experiences being lined up with Luis' than actual evidence.
However Kecleon does not change his vote, because taking it off may derail the bandwagon. Casting doubt about the vote would indicate that Kecleon is being considered rather than rash, and when Luispipe flipped town, he could say 'I wasn't completely sure'.
More playing off each other:
Kecleon-X said:
PMJ said:
Are you saying you think that Luis is scum because you did the same thing as a newb wolf?
Not exactly -- I still agree with a lot of what Camoclone pointed out in the post that I quoted, but it was supported by the fact that I had the same mentality when I was still newb wolf. Given the fact that what I mentioned having reasonable doubt about said mentality, that would make all the points that would have been supported by said claim are thus not supported, casting reasonable doubt on the validity of those points as well.
tl;dr: There's still what Camo has mentioned which I agree with, but my past experiences were my primary basis.
Sensing that the bandwagon hasn't really picked up any real momentum after Luispipe's role claim, Kecleon withdraws his vote:
Kecleon-X said:
But either way -- I think I shouldn't keep this vote active any longer. I've decided that, at least for the time being, Luis is not a threat and that my past experiences could be rationally applied for both sides.
For the time being, at least, I shall take a moments reprieve from voting:
##UND-MAIL: Luispipe
Later in the day, Kecleon did not vote for SF at all, despite clear evidence presented by PMJ, and multiple opportunities to vote. Then during the night after Camoclone died, Kecleon posted this:
Kecleon-X said:
Considering the fact that he was a role cop, don't you think that perhaps it would be a good idea to lynch Luis, considering it was a role cop that went after him? I mean, it wouldn't be far-fetched to think that Luis was seer'd by Camo the night prior and he decided to try to get him lynched, making his arguments against Luis rather thin given the fact that he actually didn't have any physical evidence to begin with.
Just a couple of thoughts.
This despite Camoclone himself saying that he had NO evidence upon which to tunnel Luispipe. Posting during the night ensures that EVERYONE will read the post, and since there could be no reply for another few days, the suggestion would fester in the minds of everyone. Kecleon later claimed this was a mistake and the thread title said it was daytime, however this was not the case. grantm1999 later used Camoclone as a reason to direct pressure away from him and back onto Luispipe.
On the day where MtC was accused, Kecleon was nowhere to be seen. Maybe he did not want to risk exposure and risk defending MtC, or maybe he thought that the attention on MtC would blow over. Either way, I find it suspicious to not post at all in a standard length day.
Now we return to the present, and after hearing about what alex's ability is called, Kecleon immediately comes up with what can only be assumed to be a nervous reaction to (probably) being the only wolf left, and makes a wild statement:
Kecleon-X said:
Well, given the nature of the setting, how the Royalists and whatnot are trying to survive... I don't see how it couldn't be a scum role.
When you consider that a survivor is normally an indie role, saying that it must mean that alex is scum because the Royalists are trying to survive is just ridiculous and unfounded. In WW,
everyone is trying to survive.
I've had my suspicions for a while now, and I'm going to act on them.
##doublesharp: Kecleon-X
