Finished Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - The Order of the Phoenix is the Winner!
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RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
ooooook that was fun reading
First of all, everybody please stop with the "The person who has sectumsempra is the vig" thing. We don't know that. If it's Snape, then as PMJ pointed out, it is highly unlikely that he would be any kind of vigilante. It's the complete opposite of his character. You might as well make Harry Potter the king Death Eater at that point. It seems much more likely that Sectumsempra is a once-per-game spell that somebody decided to blindly use this early in the game. Also it's not entirely implausible to think that both Harry and Snape have this spell.
Secondly, people who have seen me play before know that I'm usually completely anti-role claiming. From my point of view it just gives the wolves more info. However, Shining Goodra is going to be dead by the end of the day/night anyways, so I guess there's no reason not to role claim this time. It can't hurt us.
Thirdly, last time I posted about Lenny, I said we shouldn't just forget about him because he's quite smart. Leaving a potential wolf go completely unmarked would be dumb, leaving one who could be really smart would be even worse. However, that doesn't mean I think he's scum. He's just somebody to pay attention to. Tunneling Lenny like Grant is just as, if not more detrimental to the town because it makes us completely blind to anything else at work in this game. If Lenny is a townie, we want him alive. I would focus on some people other than Lenny and see what he has to say about them. His posts over due time will tell us whether or not he's actually scummy.
Fourthly, grantm1999's posts are extremely closed-minded and tunneling. I find that more scummy that anything that's been presented so far. The posts I've seen over the past 2 pages are can be summed up as "Snape is clearly a vig, and I will only vote for Lenny or KoN anybody else is wrong." Even if he's a townie, that's pretty dangerous.
Lastly, if Harry Potter was the vigilante, I would not be surprised at all. His entire role in the books is "Hey scrubs, Snape's guilty. OMG guys Malfoy's a death eather. But nobody listens to me so I guess I'll just do all this crap by myself." It's certainly more plausible than Snape being a vig.
ooooook that was fun reading
First of all, everybody please stop with the "The person who has sectumsempra is the vig" thing. We don't know that. If it's Snape, then as PMJ pointed out, it is highly unlikely that he would be any kind of vigilante. It's the complete opposite of his character. You might as well make Harry Potter the king Death Eater at that point. It seems much more likely that Sectumsempra is a once-per-game spell that somebody decided to blindly use this early in the game. Also it's not entirely implausible to think that both Harry and Snape have this spell.
Secondly, people who have seen me play before know that I'm usually completely anti-role claiming. From my point of view it just gives the wolves more info. However, Shining Goodra is going to be dead by the end of the day/night anyways, so I guess there's no reason not to role claim this time. It can't hurt us.
Thirdly, last time I posted about Lenny, I said we shouldn't just forget about him because he's quite smart. Leaving a potential wolf go completely unmarked would be dumb, leaving one who could be really smart would be even worse. However, that doesn't mean I think he's scum. He's just somebody to pay attention to. Tunneling Lenny like Grant is just as, if not more detrimental to the town because it makes us completely blind to anything else at work in this game. If Lenny is a townie, we want him alive. I would focus on some people other than Lenny and see what he has to say about them. His posts over due time will tell us whether or not he's actually scummy.
Fourthly, grantm1999's posts are extremely closed-minded and tunneling. I find that more scummy that anything that's been presented so far. The posts I've seen over the past 2 pages are can be summed up as "Snape is clearly a vig, and I will only vote for Lenny or KoN anybody else is wrong." Even if he's a townie, that's pretty dangerous.
Lastly, if Harry Potter was the vigilante, I would not be surprised at all. His entire role in the books is "Hey scrubs, Snape's guilty. OMG guys Malfoy's a death eather. But nobody listens to me so I guess I'll just do all this crap by myself." It's certainly more plausible than Snape being a vig.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
##VOTE: Machamp the Champion
Another point being, in the post Teal quoted, Dogger didn't even bother to find the quotes for his response, which further supports the theory that he was following Machamp blindly.
I'd like to hear from both MtC and Dogger though on the subject.
...I'm going to ignore the Lenny argument for now.
##VOTE: Machamp the Champion
Another point being, in the post Teal quoted, Dogger didn't even bother to find the quotes for his response, which further supports the theory that he was following Machamp blindly.
I'd like to hear from both MtC and Dogger though on the subject.
...I'm going to ignore the Lenny argument for now.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
Oh, I forgot.
##Vote: Machamp the Champion
Everything Teal said is on point about that. As for XDogerX, he could just be a n00b townie who's opinion is easily swayed. If MTC flips scum though, I'd be more than happy to look into this further.
Oh, I forgot.
##Vote: Machamp the Champion
Everything Teal said is on point about that. As for XDogerX, he could just be a n00b townie who's opinion is easily swayed. If MTC flips scum though, I'd be more than happy to look into this further.
lol'dKeeperofNight said:
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
Current Vote Count:
Notes:
Current Vote Count:
- Teal: 1
- Keeper of Night: 3 (Camoclone,
Teal, Celever, Squirtle Squad,grantm1999) - Shining Goodra: 0 (
Squirtle Squad) - Lenny: 2 (grantm1999)
- Machamp The Champion: 5 (Teal, TheGuy, bbninjas, Keeper of Night, One Approved)
Notes:
- 15 votes to end the day before time, with a Lynch.
- Current lynch candidate(s): Machamp The Champion.
- ~96 hours remain before Day ends.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
Hey guys, just a couple of questions/comments:
Also, for the questions:
-As I said when signing up, it's my first time playing, so what's a vigilante? In spanish it's someone who watches over people, so I'm assuming it's someone who can see someone's role each night or something.
-I remember seeing a post about running out of likes. What do likes do in WW? Why is there a limit?
Sorry for the newbie questions, but atm I don't think I have a lot to say.
Hey guys, just a couple of questions/comments:
I found this while reading the last 5 pages to stay updated, and as useless as answering it may seem, I am answering this. Snape is in the game, as well as Dumbledore (duh) and McGonagall (duh).grantm1999 said:
Also, for the questions:
-As I said when signing up, it's my first time playing, so what's a vigilante? In spanish it's someone who watches over people, so I'm assuming it's someone who can see someone's role each night or something.
-I remember seeing a post about running out of likes. What do likes do in WW? Why is there a limit?
Sorry for the newbie questions, but atm I don't think I have a lot to say.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
How do you know those characters are in this game? Are you in a chat with them or something? There is no way to know without a shadow of doubt that these characters are in the game unless you have received some private information.
A vigilante is someone who has a unique win condition. Or someone whose goal it is to mess up the rest of the game.
Likes are limited on Pokebeach in general. The post regarding them had to do with liking the post to prove active. There isn't much of a "purpose" for them in WW besides to say "I agree with this statement" or "this is a good point." The reason for the limit comes back to it being a Pokebeach-wide feature, to keep from posts being cluttered with a long list of likes, and to make them a bit more meaningful.
Vom said:
How do you know those characters are in this game? Are you in a chat with them or something? There is no way to know without a shadow of doubt that these characters are in the game unless you have received some private information.
A vigilante is someone who has a unique win condition. Or someone whose goal it is to mess up the rest of the game.
Likes are limited on Pokebeach in general. The post regarding them had to do with liking the post to prove active. There isn't much of a "purpose" for them in WW besides to say "I agree with this statement" or "this is a good point." The reason for the limit comes back to it being a Pokebeach-wide feature, to keep from posts being cluttered with a long list of likes, and to make them a bit more meaningful.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe a vigilante is usually town-aligned? At least that's what the mafia wiki thing says. What makes them important is that they're townies with a (limited) ability to kill people. Unique win conditions are usually indies.
Also I don't think he "knows" that they're in, I think he's just assuming that they're in because they're important characters in the book series.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe a vigilante is usually town-aligned? At least that's what the mafia wiki thing says. What makes them important is that they're townies with a (limited) ability to kill people. Unique win conditions are usually indies.
Also I don't think he "knows" that they're in, I think he's just assuming that they're in because they're important characters in the book series.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
The use of "duh" makes it sound like he feels as though he "knows."
The use of "duh" makes it sound like he feels as though he "knows."
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
A vigilante is a town player who can (if he wants to) kill at night, once or several times. Jeremy (and some people in general?) is/are talking about a serial killer who tries to kill people every night and survive.
Also let Vom answer that question himself, although I have a guess.
A vigilante is a town player who can (if he wants to) kill at night, once or several times. Jeremy (and some people in general?) is/are talking about a serial killer who tries to kill people every night and survive.
Also let Vom answer that question himself, although I have a guess.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
If they were mentioned in the OP odds are they aren't in the game. At least thats how its been in past games that I've played in here.
If they were mentioned in the OP odds are they aren't in the game. At least thats how its been in past games that I've played in here.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
Edit, I misread your last post. Ignore my post #494.
Edit, I misread your last post. Ignore my post #494.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
Does anyone else feel like people were talking about that stupid Snape thing for way too long? There were several experienced players doing it, too. They should know better than to talk about basic flavor for as long as they did.
Keeper was one of them people doing it, and he also publicly stated that he's gonna post less now that he's met the quota, which is pretty anti-town. Thus, I suspect him. Celever was another person doing it. I especially feel like Celever wouldn't normally argue about flavor for as long as he did.
Of the 2, I think Keeper's a bit more suspicious. I'm still gonna keep Celever and Teal on my radar, though.
So I'm suspicious because I'm trying to follow up on a lead I started day 1? What? Wouldn't it be more scummy to back off of my lead with no reasoning as to why?
I think Grant meant you were trying too hard when Grant first voted for you, which you were. I'm actually starting to suspect you a bit more. Even though I understand why you're frustrated, I think you're getting a bit too frustrated over this.
Cool. I can't really defend against this, so I'm just gonna move on to my next quote...
"Tunneling" is a strong word. Yes, I wanted to lynch you, but I haven't been ignoring other potential lynch targets. And also, your whole "targets/tunnels an experienced player" argument is hypocritical. You've been targeting me for a good portion of the game, even though I am also an experienced Werewolf player who is just about as active as you are.
A Vigilante is a town-aligned player with the ability to kill someone. It's either a one shot power, or something the Vigilante can use each night.
PokeBeach is programmed so you can't like more than 8(?) posts each day. It's not just related to Forum Games.
Does anyone else feel like people were talking about that stupid Snape thing for way too long? There were several experienced players doing it, too. They should know better than to talk about basic flavor for as long as they did.
Keeper was one of them people doing it, and he also publicly stated that he's gonna post less now that he's met the quota, which is pretty anti-town. Thus, I suspect him. Celever was another person doing it. I especially feel like Celever wouldn't normally argue about flavor for as long as he did.
Of the 2, I think Keeper's a bit more suspicious. I'm still gonna keep Celever and Teal on my radar, though.
bbninjas said:
So I'm suspicious because I'm trying to follow up on a lead I started day 1? What? Wouldn't it be more scummy to back off of my lead with no reasoning as to why?
Lenny said:
I think Grant meant you were trying too hard when Grant first voted for you, which you were. I'm actually starting to suspect you a bit more. Even though I understand why you're frustrated, I think you're getting a bit too frustrated over this.
Teal said:
Cool. I can't really defend against this, so I'm just gonna move on to my next quote...
Teal said:
"Tunneling" is a strong word. Yes, I wanted to lynch you, but I haven't been ignoring other potential lynch targets. And also, your whole "targets/tunnels an experienced player" argument is hypocritical. You've been targeting me for a good portion of the game, even though I am also an experienced Werewolf player who is just about as active as you are.
Vom said:
A Vigilante is a town-aligned player with the ability to kill someone. It's either a one shot power, or something the Vigilante can use each night.
PokeBeach is programmed so you can't like more than 8(?) posts each day. It's not just related to Forum Games.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
... I'm not liking this jump on MtC at all. Teal posts exactly 1 post that cast suspicion on MtC. It took two guys only 15 minutes to agree with it. You guys sure were fast to confirm that there's no contradiction in Teal's argument, huh?
I don't get why MtC is the one being voted here, when it was xDoggerx's post that cast suspicion on him. And Teal, way to emphasize the 60 posts in-between. Are those 60 posts all important, insightful posts by 60 different people? Or maybe, more than half of that was actually, you know, just the host's vote counts, vote posts and a couple people double/triple-posting? Because if it's the latter, then maybe the actual number is less than it actually is. And then maybe this isn't as drastic and scummy as you make it out to be. Not only that, but BigfootAUS and MtC were the ones who first outed and discussed about GM Draclord being independent. I think one of the two would be credited for the discovery and opinion, and it would stick out among the crowd of useless posts would then be mentioned by someone who agreed with their viewpoint. Which I think is the case here.
In case I didn't make it clear what I'm trying to say there: Imagine reading through 50~ posts of Day 1, which you already know is riddled with RVS votes and random posts. Any leads and/or strong, evidence-backed opinion like the ones by BigfootAUS and MtC would therefore stand out among the crowd. And if you were to post, you'd definitely recall those, and end up crediting or mentioning them. Machamp the Champion got the message across., perhaps even more that Bigfoot, in Dogger's mind, so that's why his name got mentioned.
I'm just saying that might be what happened with Dogger here. It is not a case of suspicious, scummy buddying.
Another thing: the announcement on the Day update.
... I'm not liking this jump on MtC at all. Teal posts exactly 1 post that cast suspicion on MtC. It took two guys only 15 minutes to agree with it. You guys sure were fast to confirm that there's no contradiction in Teal's argument, huh?
I don't get why MtC is the one being voted here, when it was xDoggerx's post that cast suspicion on him. And Teal, way to emphasize the 60 posts in-between. Are those 60 posts all important, insightful posts by 60 different people? Or maybe, more than half of that was actually, you know, just the host's vote counts, vote posts and a couple people double/triple-posting? Because if it's the latter, then maybe the actual number is less than it actually is. And then maybe this isn't as drastic and scummy as you make it out to be. Not only that, but BigfootAUS and MtC were the ones who first outed and discussed about GM Draclord being independent. I think one of the two would be credited for the discovery and opinion, and it would stick out among the crowd of useless posts would then be mentioned by someone who agreed with their viewpoint. Which I think is the case here.
In case I didn't make it clear what I'm trying to say there: Imagine reading through 50~ posts of Day 1, which you already know is riddled with RVS votes and random posts. Any leads and/or strong, evidence-backed opinion like the ones by BigfootAUS and MtC would therefore stand out among the crowd. And if you were to post, you'd definitely recall those, and end up crediting or mentioning them. Machamp the Champion got the message across., perhaps even more that Bigfoot, in Dogger's mind, so that's why his name got mentioned.
I'm just saying that might be what happened with Dogger here. It is not a case of suspicious, scummy buddying.
Another thing: the announcement on the Day update.
The Ministry Wrote: The Ministry is <STARTING A TRIAL> on Machamp The Champion. And Lenny.[/quote said:
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
Man I looked two hours ago and I was gonna post but I was in the middle of church and that's kinda disrespectful and now everyone's gone and discussed some more!
Ok first of all ##unvote Keeper of night
I bandwagoned haha! Mainly cos I wanted to vote someone after voting shining Goodra..
Here is a summarised of what I would have written had I not been at church..
Lenny: this is no way a defence for him, but to be honest haven't seen much scum behaviour but a few of seem to so I'll keep him in the back of mind.
Grant: tunnelling or possibly misunderstood? Haha I don't know! Another one to watch!!
Teal good call on doggers and MtC, personally I didn't notice when it happened! Good point reinforce, but I reckon noob scum could definitely be a thing!
Man I looked two hours ago and I was gonna post but I was in the middle of church and that's kinda disrespectful and now everyone's gone and discussed some more!
Ok first of all ##unvote Keeper of night
I bandwagoned haha! Mainly cos I wanted to vote someone after voting shining Goodra.. Here is a summarised of what I would have written had I not been at church..
Lenny: this is no way a defence for him, but to be honest haven't seen much scum behaviour but a few of seem to so I'll keep him in the back of mind.
Grant: tunnelling or possibly misunderstood? Haha I don't know! Another one to watch!!
Teal good call on doggers and MtC, personally I didn't notice when it happened! Good point reinforce, but I reckon noob scum could definitely be a thing!
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 24th, at 23:59 GMT
Well... if you're correct in that being a thing, it does make you wonder why the votes are piled up on MtC instead of the "newbie scum (presumably Dogger)"... isn't it?
Squirtle Squad said:
Well... if you're correct in that being a thing, it does make you wonder why the votes are piled up on MtC instead of the "newbie scum (presumably Dogger)"... isn't it?
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