Finished Werewolf XXIX: Melee - Finished!

[Athena]

What is so wrong about simsands, I don't really understand, can someone paraphrase the discussion on that?

Basically he was arguing very vehemently about the Drac lynch yesterday. This is something that I consider bad play but not scummy play, which is why I haven't voted for him, but I guess other people beg to differ.

 

[SilverSilent]

*raises eyebrow:*

I'm ever so slightly suspicious about Silver here, why would you just random vote? It seems like you were just trying to keep contributing, which, as far as I know, doesn't work.

There was nothing to the vote in all honesty, it was more in the sense of just voting against less active players. Nothing more, nothing less.

Just pointing out that he was last on PokéBeach @ midday AEST. He's either lurking or waiting to be m/k'd.

I realize he most likely lurking, but I'm still placing my vote on him because he hasn't posted.

I didn't even see any point in debating over GM in the first place.

What is so wrong about simsands, I don't really understand, can someone paraphrase the discussion on that?

It was more simsands not understanding the reasoning behind the turbo lynch and him debating on why we didn't wait to lynch him since usually scum wants to be lynched quickly.

And I'd still like to point out that, as much as Camoclone is a big influence, that doesn't mean we shouldn't vote for him. I haven't picked up much scummy behaviour from him though.

I don't feel like their is a reason to vote Camo just yet, until something proves it otherwise.

 

[Scattered mind]

I find I'm pretty bad at making fairly sound posts and I take a long time to do so.

This is kind of what this game is about. You need to post your thoughts. If you don't, you are basically not playing the game and just active lurking which is just scummy.

I'm ever so slightly suspicious about Silver here, why would you just random vote? It seems like you were just trying to keep contributing, which, as far as I know, doesn't work.

You can't say that. I am developing my playstyle to a better state. You can't necessarily compare my playstyle, or any other new person's, to their recent games; because they are still learning. Same goes for me.
On a second note, I've been contributing too. Not just bandwagoning. Your logic isn't quite logical.

I guess you're right. Who do you read as scum right now? Is it still Silver?

I must say that Reinforce's post is a little suspicious to me since it's so long with really just nothing new. He basically keeps talking about the simsands case and even there he doesn't say if he think he is scum or not. It's like a big post to show as if he is here and contributing when he isn't. But then again this is just one post so @Reinforce , do you mind telling who do you read as scum right now?

 

[Camoclone]

And I'd still like to point out that, as much as Camoclone is a big influence, that doesn't mean we shouldn't vote for him. I haven't picked up much scummy behaviour from him though.

Tha heck is this?

 

[Camoclone]

@TheFancyPineapple who do you think is scum?

 

[Reinforce]

@Reinforce: The thing is, though, GM DracLord DID have time to defend himself. He made a rather large post and it was full of scummy-sounding stuff, lots of "please believe me and just give me one more day guys" and no substance. So that interpretation of Simisands' actions doesn't really hold water.

It doesn't matter whether GM had time to defend himself, what matters here in post I made is about simsands' actions. Basically, everyone else is pointing that simsands' act of unvoting and giving regroup time to a pretty obvious scum is suspicious and scummy. To which simsands is defending himself by insisting that no, he was just practicing fairness and giving a person a chance to defend themselves, no matter who they are. That's the situation, as I understand it from reading back. Now, my post before is that I'm suspecting simsands is not entirely genuine with what he's insisting, and it's possibly a ploy to outwardly paint himself as a good/townie person in people's eyes. Because, who would you consider a 'good' person: the one who turbolynched a player, or the one who tried to give that player a chance to defend himself? I feel simsands is trying to put himself in the latter category, because if he's a 'good' player, then he can't be the scum that everyone else is accusing him of.

And I think that, that in itself, is what's scummy about him.

I must say that Reinforce's post is a little suspicious to me since it's so long with really just nothing new. He basically keeps talking about the simsands case and even there he doesn't say if he think he is scum or not. It's like a big post to show as if he is here and contributing when he isn't. But then again this is just one post so @Reinforce , do you mind telling who do you read as scum right now?

I'm surprised you find my post suspicious for its length, considering that is how I prefer to post: I'd rather make long, single/few posts that consolidate my opinion rather than making tons of one-paragraph/one-liner posts. Previous WW games would show you.

Also, must I state the exact words for you to consider me thinking someone as scummy? I've said several times before that being literal or direct is not my style of writing or speaking. I thought the tone of my post already conveyed as much... In the last couple paragraphs of my previous post, I said that I suspected simsands' defense reasons might not be genuine and merely a ploy. Is that not enough for you to -conclude- that I'm thinking simsands is lying/scummy?

And if you read the real-life reasons I stated yesterday , I had limited time and energy left to analyze and so I could only comment on the last few pages... and they were mostly about simsands. So that's what I gave my opinion on.

But today I'm better-rested so... What topic do you want me to give my opinion on this time?

 

[simsands]

Well, this isn't going anywhere.

Yeowie looks scummy for suggesting people to vote Camo, even though he admits that he doesn't appear scummy.
Reinforce is making the same kind of posts he did last game as scum, but as he said, this might be the way he always play. Neither did I scum read Empoleon yesterday.
I am not completely buying double o squirtle's defense, it feels like he's trying to give the impression of him having the same opinion as everyone else. It seems like something a new scum would do in order to stay out of the spotlight.
Scattered mind giving up lynches in order to not appear scummy.
Athena looks slightly scummy for desperately defending Vom, but she would most likely not act this way if they actually were scum buddies.
SilverSilent is throwing random votes around, but is otherwise not appearing too scummy.

 

[Athena]

Athena looks slightly scummy for desperately defending Vom, but she would most likely not act this way if they actually were scum buddies.

Wait, when did this happen? I don't even think I've interacted with Vom this game, let alone defend him, let alone desperately defend him. I honestly don't understand this, and I even looked back at my posts quick and I still don't get it.

 

[simsands]

The argument that was based around my suspicion against Vom.

 

[Athena]

When did I say anything at all about your suspicion against Vom?

 

[simsands]

You never said anything about Vom, I did. You started argue that my reason for suspecting him was wrong.

 

[Athena]

You started argue that my reason for suspecting him was wrong.

No, I didn't. Really. I'm not sure if you're misremembering, getting me confused with someone else, or if you're just making stuff up, but at no point in this game have I ever argued against your reasons for suspecting Vom.

As proof, in the spoiler below, I have quoted all posts that I have made in this thread since the game started. If you see me arguing against your reasons for suspecting Vom, please point out which post it it.

Spoiler: spoilered for long

Basically he was arguing very vehemently about the Drac lynch yesterday. This is something that I consider bad play but not scummy play, which is why I haven't voted for him, but I guess other people beg to differ.

@Reinforce: The thing is, though, GM DracLord DID have time to defend himself. He made a rather large post and it was full of scummy-sounding stuff, lots of "please believe me and just give me one more day guys" and no substance. So that interpretation of Simisands' actions doesn't really hold water.

Yes, Reinforce is the one who subbed in for EM according to the OP.

I think the scum team was probably too busy facepalming at their teammate's slip to care one way or another about how fast the lynch went.

We have already explained and are tired of re-explaining. I give up.

At this point I'm not sure if simisands is being obtuse on purpose for some reason or if he legitimately is not reading our posts.

I would give this post so many likes if I could. Instead I will just quote it again to share its magnificence.

The only information we would gain would be worthless and we would waste everyone's time. That is in no way a "win".

Pure WIFOM. He could have easily named a lurking scumbuddy knowing that they would get inno cred and/or even show up to "claim" before hammer to save Drac and see how long they could play that. You can never trust anything a mafian says. Any "information" you get from them is suspect and almost useless.

If Drac actually had been a mason, he would have been more forthcoming and less "give me one more day guys!" in his previous defense post so your "what if" question is patently useless.

Simisand originally voted for Drac but unvoted because he felt we were lynching him too quickly.

Is @simisands really arguing that we should have left GM alive longer so that he could have poured wine all over the town? Honestly, there is almost no point to letting almost-confirmed scum stay alive longer. What did you expect him to "slip"; another sideboard screenshot? He was as good as dead and anything he would have said would only have been WIFOM to mess with the town. I'm not going to vote you for this because it's just poor play and not actually scummy, but seriously.

I think EM was talking to GM as in DracLord not GM as in host.

QTs could be used for lots of things, mason chats, temporary chats, any other kind of power that would confer private communication. However... it's still pretty likely that it's a mafia chat, and likely enough that I don't really see any other good D1 target.

Yeah, that certainly looks like a mafia chat to me. I don't really understand how someone can take a screenshot of a post and upload and post it accidentally, but... ##unvote, ##vote: GM DracLord

1) Camo isn't "our best lead". There is no reason, at this point, to vote him over anyone else. BB flat out admitted that his "info" on Camo was a ruse to draw out responses here. There are some people voting for him, but that doesn't make him a good lead, let alone a "best" lead. In order for anything/anyone to be a lead, there needs to be some kind of information or draw.

2) Like Silver Silent said, I'm not drawing attention away from Camo. In fact, I'm not even sure why you think I am.

In short, please try and actually explain things when you post them instead of just making things up.

Can someone please translate this post into English for me so I can tell if I need to respond to it or not? Thanks.

No, it's not unclear at all. The rule says, very clearly: "2. You may not like posts [unless specifically stated]". Unless you are given specific permission from the Host to Like a post (such as everyone having to Like TGK's post to confirm that they received their role PM), no one should be liking any posts in the game.

I usually avoid D1 Camo and his arguments, yes, but certainly not everyone does, and it's not exactly something you can reinforce, either.

120 hours so 5 full days. Day phases this game are so long I'll probably be bored to tears before we manage to lynch anyone.

bbninjas promised me Camo was going to be lurking this game. Camo is very obviously not lurking. Therefore, bb is lying, and we must lynch all liars, so ##vote: bbninjas.

The only post that I could maaaaybe see construed as what your claiming I did was my joke post about the scum facepalming on the sideboard but, 1) that post was a joke, and 2) it certainly wasn't an argument of any kind, and 3) even assuming that you did not know that the post was a joke and you misconstrued it as an argument, that post was made as a response to a post of yours that was just about the "scum team" in general wanting to lynch Drac fast and I would have had no way of knowing that was supposed to be about suspicion against anyone in particular, let alone Vom.

 

[simsands]

Again, you never directly talked about Vom. You were arguing against my logic, the very same logic that made me vote Vom.

That makes you indirectly protecting him, even if it wasn't your intension.

 

[Athena]

So, because I apparently disagree with your generic logic (and you still haven't pointed out the post where I did that, even though I made that lovely spoiler full of quotes for you to be more specific), this somehow translates into me "desperately defending" a specific person. And therefore I'm scummy. Right.

I'm just... going to go over here now.

 

[simsands]

Okay... So ignoring that, any other thoughts?

 

[Camoclone]

I just skimmed the thread because I don't have much time right now. Double Squirtle is probably town because if he was scum his buddies would have told him NOT to act like.

 

[Camoclone]

*act like this

 

[Squirtle Squad]

Ahh I'm finally here to make a post!

I'm really not liking how simsands is posting, everyone seems to be in agreement that he is scummy, I don't know what it is but his posts are irking me!
I've got a slight scum read on SM as well, but I seem to scum read him every game...

My town reads right now are Camo, Athena and Pineapple.
My strongest of these is Athena who is posting far more helpfully than she did in PMJ's game (as scum).

 

[Athena]

I honestly don't know if I think simisands is scummy or not. He's completely illogical, but I'm not sure if that implies scummy or not or if he's just new to the game and doesn't really know what he's doing. It would probably help if I've played more games with him to get a feel for how he thinks and plays. Right now, the biggest read I'm getting off of him is just bafflement at the ridiculousness of his posts.

 

[Squirtle Squad]

Nah he knows how to play! Even if this is his second game here, he played his first game (as scum) really well. Whilst he is playing slightly differently to this, he's just reading books dodgy to me.