Finished Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Game Over! Town Wins!

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

I actually first thought all roles were Gym Leaders/Elite 4, and simply X number of them would be like possessed, or something. Now that I see it more clearly, the fact that the Leaders are the claims is as plausible.

But it's been in the flavour (in the OP) since the thread was posted? Team Rocket kidnapped guests and gave themselves named cover roles. How'd you get possession from that??

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

I could see some of the people on BV's lynch being scum, namely Jarizard and Muffin because neither are contributing very much. Granted, Jar is new and Muffs always acts like this. That being said I still find the case solid enough to place a vote for now.

Jarizard is pretty much confirmed town, unless you want to live with the realization that we have a scum here who had/can auto-lynch anyone they want.

My past experiences tells me to agree with Keeper. Especially since so many are so assured of their vote for him, even though there are only few facts and it's still a little early in the Day. So should Brave get lynched today and flip town, it's worth looking onto his first few voters tomorrow.


@Luis and everyone else Do we have any confirmation that the Rocket scum in this game are the ones from the anime? I don't think we have. A possibility I'm thinking of is Giovanni + the 4 Rocket Executives from HG/SS.

 

[Luispipe8]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

I actually first thought all roles were Gym Leaders/Elite 4, and simply X number of them would be like possessed, or something. Now that I see it more clearly, the fact that the Leaders are the claims is as plausible.

But it's been in the flavour (in the OP) since the thread was posted? Team Rocket kidnapped guests and gave themselves named cover roles. How'd you get possession from that??

I didn't. I'm still guessing either of my assumptions can be true, but the one using the character as the claim is the most plausible one so far until proved otherwise.

 

[Cinesra]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

Jarizard is pretty much confirmed town, unless you want to live with the realization that we have a scum here who had/can auto-lynch anyone they want.

I see your point, but a one use vote freeze from a scum seems reasonable.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

So should Brave get lynched today and flip town, it's worth looking onto his first few voters tomorrow.

Quite contrary, I'd look into those that jumped the lynch, not those that started it.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

I feel as though Brave's lynch is being pushed by scum. Just too many votes.

WIFOM. CJ has sound, logical reasoning, and I find it hard to disagree with him. That's why I voted for BV. I could say that everyone who is waiting to give BV a chance to defend himself is scum, because honestly I have no clue why this day isn't over already. Pretty convenient that he was gone this whole time, like oh shit I'm busted, better come up with a plan quick, TO THE SCUM LAIR. What better way to do buy time then have one or two of his partners act all patient and ask for more evidence? Bigfoot, SF, Reinforce, Camoclone, you... (yes I realize that's six of you, I don't mean you are all scum so don't say that).

Luis:

The members of Team Rocket have kidnapped a number of these guests, this giving themselves appropriately named cover roles to help avoid a massclaim situation.

It's proven. This also means that it doesn't matter if BV is Chuck or Butch or anyone.

Cinesra: That's also a good point. I thought that that would not be a scum ability, but I don't think that giving the scum what is essentially a one-shot daykill would kill the game. Then again, most of the time, anyone with such an ability is usually town in order to balance it (scum won't daykill one of their own), so I'm leaning more towards town for Jarizard.

 

[Brave Vesperia]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

Okay, just gonna say it. I'm Chuck, and I am the receiver of Squirtle Squad's Steelix. However, I do not know exactly who did it, but Athena's PM leads me to believe it was scum.

"Hey, look out! Oh no, it’s too late, some dastardly villain stole the Pokéball of your beloved Primeape and forcefully traded it to some guy named Squirtle Squad. Now he is the permanent owner and trainer of your Pokémon, and you get instead…

Chuck’s Steelix"

I have removed the description of the ability because I do not wish for anyone to know (unless SS already posted it, I can't remember) until the time comes.

@Lenny: I don't 100% believe you. It just seems really weird to me that you didn't get any info. ##VOTE: Lenny

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

WIFOM. CJ has sound, logical reasoning, and I find it hard to disagree with him.

I'm just saying that, if CJ were, in fact, correct, why are there so many votes against Brave and so few against anybody else? Did the... What? 5? 6? Scum members just throw in the towel?

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

Brave, if that is direct c/p, doesn't that result in modkill? I'll have to double check, might just be roles, can't remember.
If it isn't allowed though, you just sealed your fate either way.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

Yup! Here it is:

You may not screenshot or directly quote any GM communication, including Role PMs. If you wish to share your role or anything else said by me, you must paraphrase my words.

If Athena modkills you, we can move on then. If not, you're scum.

##VOTE: Brave Vesperia

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

WIFOM. CJ has sound, logical reasoning, and I find it hard to disagree with him. That's why I voted for BV. I could say that everyone who is waiting to give BV a chance to defend himself is scum, because honestly I have no clue why this day isn't over already. Pretty convenient that he was gone this whole time, like oh shit I'm busted, better come up with a plan quick, TO THE SCUM LAIR. What better way to do buy time then have one or two of his partners act all patient and ask for more evidence? Bigfoot, SF, Reinforce, Camoclone, you... (yes I realize that's six of you, I don't mean you are all scum so don't say that).

Because I'm too kind for my own good. I don't want to subject anyone in this kind of game, town or not, to something I went through. Because it's frustrating to no end (man, I had a headache for the entire week then). That mindset is 'Guilty until proven innocent'. Oh wait, it's just going to be simply 'Guilty' since apparently we should quickly end the Day and not wait for Brave to even at least try to prove himself innocent. My thinking is always this: If he can prove himself town, then good. If he isn't able to come up with a good defense, then that would only help the case of his accusation as scum. Also, CJ indeed had logical reasoning, and I've stated as much that I agree with him in a previous post, but it ain't no guarantee he's immediately in the right. Only looking at one side of the argument is a big no-no for me. These are why I'm waiting for Brave. Call it 'buying time' or whatever you want, but this is what I always do, which is also why I've never immediately voted for anyone accused.

@ Cinesra PMJ has stated as much but I would like to add that an auto-lynch that also made the Day end quickly is way too skewed to scum's favor if it was in their hands. They could just Nightkill, and then immediately the next Day, auto-lynch any town and end the Day. Then they'll have what is essentially two Nights in a row and three total Town kills. I would have suspected it as scum ability more if it was just a quick Day kill and the Day continued but it was shown that it ended the Day. Such an imbalance would/should have been taken account in role-making. That's why the probability of Jarizard being town is pretty high.

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

And I'm ninja'd by Brave and Keeper. Welp. Should we wait for Athena's decision on this?

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

And I'm ninja'd by Brave and Keeper. Welp. Should we wait for Athena's decision on this?

Not much point. He's either lying or getting modkilled.

 

[Cinesra]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

It seems suspicious to me how BV included a vote for Lenny, the only other player with a few votes on him with just a small line for his reasoning. Feels like an attempt to focus more on Lenny and get an extra vote on someone else to break a potential tie (idk what the vote is rn, but if it's not tied now, it could be later), although it's very possible I'm reading into nothing because I already suspect BV.

@reinforce, I can see that. I'm no expert in WW balancing, so I'm really not sure whether such a thing would be deemed broken or not broken by Athena.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

I'm just saying that, if CJ were, in fact, correct, why are there so many votes against Brave and so few against anybody else? Did the... What? 5? 6? Scum members just throw in the towel?

Because anyone who is town can see what's going on here and, to me, it looks highly suspect when what looks to me like clear, irrefutable logic is questioned by numerous people, you in particular because you said that even after reading it you didn't understand CJ's case.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

I'm just saying that, if CJ were, in fact, correct, why are there so many votes against Brave and so few against anybody else? Did the... What? 5? 6? Scum members just throw in the towel?

Because anyone who is town can see what's going on here and, to me, it looks highly suspect when what looks to me like clear, irrefutable logic is questioned by numerous people, you in particular because you said that even after reading it you didn't understand CJ's case.

Just because you think the logic is sound doesn't mean everybody does. That's how WW works. But look up. You'll see that I have a much more solid case against BV, and your argument is pointless.
It is unreasonable to think that the scum would turn on their own this early. This is mostly why I still believe BV is town and will be modkilled, because it isn't like him to make something up without sharing to check it, and the rest of the team would have warned him against posting. It simply doesn't matter now either way.

Also, I forgot to unvote.
##UNVOTE: Lenny
##VOTE: Brave Vesperia

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

...Did that really just happen? I'm not sure if that's quoting the GM or just really bad paraphrasing.
- Quote marks
- Lots of flavour (Might not be relevant but it seems inefficient if you just want to tell other players anything about your role)
- "removed the description of the ability" - what, did you cut it from your quote?

If it's paraphrasing, it's real shoddy work. If it's quoting, it's good for a modkill.

##UNVOTE: Wailord_2
##VOTE: Brave Vesperia

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

Just because you think the logic is sound doesn't mean everybody does. That's how WW works. But look up. You'll see that I have a much more solid case against BV, and your argument is pointless.

Also, your first sentence does a good job of answering your question as to why there votes for people besides BV.

 

[Lenny]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

@Lenny: I don't 100% believe you. It just seems really weird to me that you didn't get any info. ##VOTE: Lenny

I don't see what's so hard for you to believe. For the majority of night abilities, the target of said abilties is unaware of being targeted. Unless there is a direct and immediate effect, such as poison or vote weight change or other game mechanic related thing, the target is usually not informed of being the target of a night ability, and definitely not who targeted them. Your reasoning for my lynch has no proof behind it and is extremely suspect.

I'm not convinced you're scum but you're a strong candidate. Honestly, I'm hoping you paraphrased because while it'd be great if scum got modkilled, we can't afford losing townies over easily avoidable modkills. Paraphrase people, don't kill yourself!

 

[Athena]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

Hey guys, we just got some news that some members of Team Rocket were spotted outside Pallet Town and.... where is that smoke coming from? Don't tell me we had another spontaneous combustion...

Brave Vesperia was modkilled! He was Giovanni disguised as Chuck, a scum member of the Team Rocket faction. This modkill comes as a result of Brave Vesperia's failure to read and comply with Rule 7-4 ("You may not screenshot or directly quote any GM communication, including Role PMs.") Since Brave Vesperia was modkilled and not removed from the game by normal in-game means, he is ineligible for any votes or any further actions, including any actions that would function on the dead. This is why he exploded instead of leaving the party normally.

As a GM, I really hate modkilling players, but I feel like I had no choice in this matter. I hope the remaining players in the game will take this death as a warning... again to make sure that they have thoroughly read the rules for the game. If there is anything you feel that is unclear, please reach out to me.

I will be posting an updated tally shortly.