Finished Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Game Over! Town Wins!

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RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

VOTE TALLY: Day 2 \o/

Valid through: Post 500

Lenny (2): Machamp the Champion (450), Camoclone (461), Keeper of Night (474-496), Brave Vesperia (487)
Scorched Feathers (0): Squirtle Squad (424-436)
Mr.Muffin (0): Machamp the Champion (450-450)
rev3rsor (0): Camoclone (406-461)
Wailord_2 (0): BigfootAUS (473-497)
Brave Vesperia (8): Squirtle Squad (445), Chaos Jackal (453), PMJ (454), Jarizard (455), Mr.Muffin (466), Cinesra (477), Keeper of Night (496), BigfootAUS (497)

13 votes needed for Majority lynch. Numbers in parentheses give post numbers for the votes in question; strikethroughs indicate previous votes that have since been unvoted. NOTE: Starting on D2 I've started including unvote posts in the tally, so if someone's crossed-out post reads (X-Y), that means they voted in Post X and unvoted in Post Y.

Votes either not bolded not been ##ed have not been added; otherwise, please feel free to point out any mistakes or missed votes.
 
RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

Well that was very fortunate. I say we lynch Lenny now. Who's with me?
 
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Machamp The Champion said:
Well that was very fortunate. I say we lynch Lenny now. Who's with me?
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Yes, lynch the person who the leader of scum was going after before any heat was put on him. That really makes perfect sense, MtC.
 
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Omg I can't believe I was right!!! I'm so giddy with excitement right now! My first successful read on a player!! Woooooo on top of the world!! Get REKT Team Rocket!!!!

Also MtC im inclined to believe Lenny... I think BV had a big moment of Raging, revealed his role and tried ever so hard to throw it on Lenny...

But then again Lenny is being really bare with his posts...

MTC wht are your thoughts on BV trying to lynch Lenny?
 
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I'm going to ##vote: Cinesra
I'm on a roll and feeling good about it!

So now I'm taking a look at the people who jumped on Brave when he was probs getting modkilled. All those players jumping on the bandwagon ;)
All the scum probs jumped on when they knew he was getting killed.
 
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Well, this is certainly teaching me to appreciate full roleflips a lot more...

@Athena: Do we have to unvote if we voted Brave?

@Lenny: "This scummy player was going after this slightly less-scummy player, so that less-scummy player must be town!"

@SS: Anything concrete to go on? A single vote on Cinesra won't do squat if you can't convince others about why you're voting, and a good feeling isn't concrete.
 
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Nope nothing concrete, just cos he jumped on when Brave was getting modkilled..

I'm working now so gotta chat to you all later :)
 
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@BigfootAUS: I never said I must be town, but I am implying that it's highly improbable that a now known scum would bring any attention to another scum buddy, go as far as to vote for him, have other people end up voting for him, never retract the vote or try to push it towards somebody else. No, I'm not confirmed town but I'd say there is evidence to support I am. I know it's actually a potential scum tactic to do something like that (I forget if it has an actual name) but like I said, evidence points to that not being the case. If that's your argument for voting for me, there's an equal (if not higher) chance for that not being the case.

Also, MtC's argument is that my posts seem scummy because I don't say anything in them. Yet BV's vote against me came from the fact that he didn't believe what I was saying, so clearly I was saying something. It wasn't pointless text as MtC is trying to make it seem.
 
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I knew it.

I won't be able to post pretty much at all tomorrow. I'll be able to check the thread periodically but don't expect much out of me.
 
RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

I'd say "I don't wanna say I told you so", but I'd be a liar.

I told you so.

Now that the alpha conveniently decided to follow Celever's footsteps and get blown to kingdom come, we can focus on the rest.

I'm still not convinced about SF. The whole thing seems a little fishy to me (no pun intended), but I'd rather not press the matter right now.

Lenny, thing is that not only the whole thing is a potential scum tactic, but your "defense" that you actually said something is null and void. Brave said that he found suspicious that you had no idea you were targeted. But you yourself pointed out that this reasoning is empty. Generally speaking, players do not get alerted of being targeted, unless the target had something like his role being changed or his post ability restricted. It's a rather empty accusation that sucks even for a last ditch attention-diverting attempt. It is quite possible that Brave, who is also not the most experienced wolf around, tried this trick believing he;d cover you for a good part of the game, especially considering that had it not been for a solid case against Brave but only for SS's ambiguous hunches, you may have been a potential lynch target and not him. I know that this case isn't nearly as strong as my former towards Brave, but I lack anything better right now.

##VOTE: Lenny
 
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@CJ:
SS's ambiguous hunches in the beginning were actually that I was town. It was only until BV came around and posted his baseless argument that SS changed his mind. Then it was reinforced once MtC posted his "empty posts" argument. The first argument against me from BV was found to be false and the second argument against me by MtC is no more than pure speculation. If SS's thoughts are swayed by BV's false argument, how can we attribute any weight to his thoughts right now?

What he interpreted as empty posts was my thoughts about the game at the time. Those thoughts had no conclusions to them but that doesn't make them empty. MtC's conclusion that my posts are empty actually just came from a single post in Day 2. He also attributed this "emptiness" to metagaming, saying I don't do that in other games, except he's wrong and I have made many posts simply stating my thoughts and have not been called out for it in the past 2 games of werewolf HERE on PokeBeach. I'd also like to make note that I was town in both of those games. If you're going to metagame, metagame correctly. It's absolutely false and feels like it was trying to push a lynch with weak arguments.

The last thing left to address is BV's potential use of a scum tactic. It is such a high risk, extremely low reward tactic especially this early in the game to do that. There is nothing to gain from trying to clear me as town right now. Alerting more attention to me when I'm already considered a potential lynch target is completely backwards and illogical thinking, something you can't just explain by "he's a noob wolf". I'd also like to remind you that BV attacked me BEFORE his desperate moments or anybody accusing him of being scum.

Why we aren't instead looking into the 3 other players that voted along with BV is beyond me. I doubt all 3 are scum because that's stupidly obvious, but the chances of one of them being scum trying to help BV and reinforce their vote is likely. I haven't gotten a particularly scummy vibe from Camoclone but MtC's weak arguments against me and Keeper's jump on me by simply agreeing with the arguments against me, which weren't actually specified when he voted against me so for all we know he was referring to both BV's argument and MtC.
 
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that was a pleasant surprise.

I haven't followed why Lenny is a suspect (my apologies). I'll have a look, and post back probably tomorrow.
 
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@CJ: I think I misunderstood what you were saying about SS's ambiguous hunches. Disregard my argument against SS's hunches.
 
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SS, you might want to reread my posts where I explain my reasoning for voting BV and even contributed more things to the case on him such as Luis's possible attempt at covering him up or how I felt BV voting for Lenny after being suspected was suspicious. If you want to vote for someone "bandwagoning" BV, go after someone else.

I don't quite buy the Lenny suspect. He does seem to be contributing less, but I don't feel we have enough to go on and for all I know this could just be confirmation bias. For all I know outside forces such as being tired or having less time could be a factor, as well as just not having as much he feels the need to contribute. I can speak from personal experience that I tend to post very little unless I feel I have something worth sharing. His most post three or so above mine is contributing plenty imo. CJ's point about BV trying to cover for Lenny seems plausible, but so does Lenny's response, so I'm torn on that matter.

SF having the role he claims seems fine to me. If Athena wanted to include a fisherman role in the game, her only choice was Misty.
 
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We have 2 great lynch candidates in Lenny and r3v3rsor. I'll make a case once I reach my computer.
 
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Well, I suppose that's one way to get rid of scum, heheh.

Am I the only one here who's still suspicious of Camoclone? After all, he was one of the people pushing not one, but two different lynches instead of Brave today. His actions could have easily been intended to divert attention away from someone who we now know was scum.

I'm still on the fence in regards to Lenny. If I'm right about Camo, then that could mean he's innocent, but there's also the possibility that it was a bus. Brave voting for Lenny too seems to support that, as if he was making a last-ditch effort to mess with the town. But I'll need some more information to go off of before I make any solid decisions about Lenny's alignment.

But I am confident enough to do this:
##VOTE: Camoclone
 
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Oh, that's simply wonderful. (Dying because someone got modkilled /again/ lmao)
I'm on the fence with Lenny too tbh, but I need a bit more of a case on him to make any decisions// I don't really get what's that scummy about him.
 
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Lenny said:
I don't have any information from during the night and I didn't receive any notification of anything being done to me from role redirections or things like that. Not sure why scum would redirect to me, or maybe the redirection was entirely random? I don't know.

With that said, I think if we don't have any concrete leads we can look into the people who are just active enough to not be considered inactive but also not on anybody's radar.
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He just wants to look into inactives and rely on abilities rather than scum tells.

Brave Vesperia said:
Yes, I have been lurking but my not posting until now was not without reason. I was waiting, gathering info for this post. I think it's strange that Lenny was not alerted that he had been targeted by Vom's ability. In fact, it almost seems like a lie. Lenny, did you really not get alerted for anything? If not, then why did SS get alerted and not you?

VOTE: Lenny
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The classic 1v1 dual scum is being illustrated here. The scum create a 1v1 situation in hopes that after the others lynch the other would become soft cleared. The thing that I found wrong with BV earlier was how aggressive he was. A town BV doesn't start wagons but rather follows others. While there is a huge learning curve in WW I didn't think that was the case. Notice how BV has more info than us. It's from the scum chat.

rev3rsor said:
@camo's suspicion I said that based on the loss of one townie with a good ability, and the fact that scum appear to have safe claims. It wasn't meant to be super-serious, just a small observation. Sorry for the late response; I was out essentially all of yesterday.

For the time being, until BV posts anything, I won't vote for him yet. (I'll make an effort to keep checking this thread these few days, but do note I'll be a bit busy.)
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Rev is constantly putting off doing something and has been for this whole game. He hasn't posted anything useful at all and it's not like he hasn't had plenty of chances.

Brave Vesperia said:
Okay, just gonna say it. I'm Chuck, and I am the receiver of Squirtle Squad's Steelix. However, I do not know exactly who did it, but Athena's PM leads me to believe it was scum.

"Hey, look out! Oh no, it’s too late, some dastardly villain stole the Pokéball of your beloved Primeape and forcefully traded it to some guy named Squirtle Squad. Now he is the permanent owner and trainer of your Pokémon, and you get instead…

Chuck’s Steelix"

I have removed the description of the ability because I do not wish for anyone to know (unless SS already posted it, I can't remember) until the time comes.

@Lenny: I don't 100% believe you. It just seems really weird to me that you didn't get any info. ##VOTE: Lenny
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BV continue to pursues Lenny for a weird reason.

Lenny said:
Brave Vesperia said:
@Lenny: I don't 100% believe you. It just seems really weird to me that you didn't get any info. ##VOTE: Lenny
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I don't see what's so hard for you to believe. For the majority of night abilities, the target of said abilties is unaware of being targeted. Unless there is a direct and immediate effect, such as poison or vote weight change or other game mechanic related thing, the target is usually not informed of being the target of a night ability, and definitely not who targeted them. Your reasoning for my lynch has no proof behind it and is extremely suspect.

I'm not convinced you're scum but you're a strong candidate. Honestly, I'm hoping you paraphrased because while it'd be great if scum got modkilled, we can't afford losing townies over easily avoidable modkills. Paraphrase people, don't kill yourself!
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Lenny doesn't vote. Lenny never votes for BV even though he is a "strong candidate". He is hoping for some miracle to happen and his scum partner will be saved.

Lenny said:
Machamp The Champion said:
Well that was very fortunate. I say we lynch Lenny now. Who's with me?
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Yes, lynch the person who the leader of scum was going after before any heat was put on him. That really makes perfect sense, MtC.
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This doesn't make the BV thing seemed planned at all.

Lenny said:
@BigfootAUS: I never said I must be town, but I am implying that it's highly improbable that a now known scum would bring any attention to another scum buddy, go as far as to vote for him, have other people end up voting for him, never retract the vote or try to push it towards somebody else. No, I'm not confirmed town but I'd say there is evidence to support I am. I know it's actually a potential scum tactic to do something like that (I forget if it has an actual name) but like I said, evidence points to that not being the case. If that's your argument for voting for me, there's an equal (if not higher) chance for that not being the case.
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Again. Look at how planned the BV thing was.

Lenny said:
The last thing left to address is BV's potential use of a scum tactic. It is such a high risk, extremely low reward tactic especially this early in the game to do that. There is nothing to gain from trying to clear me as town right now. Alerting more attention to me when I'm already considered a potential lynch target is completely backwards and illogical thinking, something you can't just explain by "he's a newbie wolf". I'd also like to remind you that BV attacked me BEFORE his desperate moments or anybody accusing him of being scum.

Why we aren't instead looking into the 3 other players that voted along with BV is beyond me. I doubt all 3 are scum because that's stupidly obvious, but the chances of one of them being scum trying to help BV and reinforce their vote is likely. I haven't gotten a particularly scummy vibe from Camoclone but MtC's weak arguments against me and Keeper's jump on me by simply agreeing with the arguments against me, which weren't actually specified when he voted against me so for all we know he was referring to both BV's argument and MtC.
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I just see OMGUS here. In response to the thing at the top it's not that unlikely and is a common tactic. How would there not be much to be gained if you were cleared as town?

rev3rsor said:
I haven't followed why Lenny is a suspect (my apologies). I'll have a look, and post back probably tomorrow.
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Yet again dodging posting anything of substance.


My vote sticks for now although r3v is also scum.
 
RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 2 is here! And so is Team Rocket?!

TwistedTurtwig said:
Well, I suppose that's one way to get rid of scum, heheh.

Am I the only one here who's still suspicious of Camoclone? After all, he was one of the people pushing not one, but two different lynches instead of Brave today. His actions could have easily been intended to divert attention away from someone who we now know was scum.

I'm still on the fence in regards to Lenny. If I'm right about Camo, then that could mean he's innocent, but there's also the possibility that it was a bus. Brave voting for Lenny too seems to support that, as if he was making a last-ditch effort to mess with the town. But I'll need some more information to go off of before I make any solid decisions about Lenny's alignment.

But I am confident enough to do this:
##VOTE: Camoclone
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I consider this quite funny considering you yourself never voted for Brave.
 
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Oh lel that's actually a really good point.
##VOTE: Lenny
 
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