Finished Werewolf XXVII: Revelation

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Ooooooo! That did not click. I'm all for Yeowie now, unless he says something that makes me think again.
 
Hi guys, a couple things.

Please don't post vote counts. You don't know what--if any--vote modifiers are in play, or could come into play at any time, especially with the increasing timer. I understand you guys want to help, and you are more than welcome to keep track of votes yourself, but please please please do not post them in the thread. That goes for everyone. Thank you.

Second, thank you for mentioning Vom's V/LA. I don't follow the Convicted thread so I had no idea he was away. If any of you know of another player who is inactive for a good reason, please PM us with a link to where they said they'd be gone so we don't sub them out.

Third, I'm sorry for banning likes in this thread, but it's important that the only source of information for the town comes from the posts made in this thread. "Likes" and the WIFOM they generate are a whole different can of worms that I really don't want to open. You'll survive.

I wouldn't normally post one now, but because an unofficial one was posted, I have to update it.

As of this post:

Chaos Jackal: 0 (Luctini27 bbninjas Yeowie)
Camoclone: 0 (Celever Ice Espeon Ice Espeon Ice Espeon Ice Espeon Ice Espeon)
Celever: 0 (Luispipe8 Luctini27)
Luispipe8: 0 (Squirtle Squad)
Luctini27: 0 (Celever JoshB Celever Camoclone Chaos Jackal)
JoshB: 2 (Camoclone Celever Yeowie Luctini27 TwistedTurtwig Camoclone Camoclone, Mr.Muffin Squirtle Squad)
Yeowie: 4 (Luctini27 TwistedTurtwig Camoclone Luispipe8 JoshB Luctini27 Squirtle Squad, bbninjas, Athena)
scattered mind: 0 (bbninjas)
bbninjas: 3 (Celever Squirtle Squad Yeowie Luctini27, scattered mind, Chaos Jackal)
Jeremy1026: 0 (scattered mind)
Cinesra: 2 (Celever, Squirtle Squad Yeowie bbninjas)

Not voting: 12 (Vom, GM DracLord, Jeremy1026, Luispipe8, TheGuy, JoshB, Mega Adi, steffenka, thegrovylekid, Ice Espeon, Cinesra, Cookie)

Pandora's Box timer: 1​
Twelve votes to lynch.
Day one ends when two players are lynched.
 
Celever said:
Lynching an active idea is a much better idea and Camo knows it. Notice how he avoided sharing thoughts in it and now has left the thread? We get a p good lead on Camp now if Cinesra flips scum; he just subtly defended him. Cinesra is a good idea, because Josh is going to be an obvious mafia in the future if he is. He's not worth a lynch at this point at all.
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This is why Celever is starting to look extremely scummy. If you think I'm scum because I have a life then please by all means vote for me.

Celever said:
Because people will try to draw leads that aren't there if we lynch Josh and a Cinesra lynch will never stick. This is why we should lynch Cinesra first. Camo only wants to lynch Josh because he offended him, which isn't indicative of alignment, but you guys shouldn't eat it up.
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This is completely false. Not a single word here is true.

Jeremy1026 said:
Camo only wants to lynch josh because he is new.
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This is also completely false.

Squirtle Squad said:
JoshB offended Camo, and as such is getting himself killed... yeah he's been overly aggressive/sensitive so we should keep an eye on him...
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This is the wrong reason.

Squirtle Squad said:
Im under the impression that BB and Camo may be lovers hence their connection and why Camo doesn't want to lynch BB just yet.
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Thanks so much for saying that wonderful piece of advice. You are the greatest thing that ever happened to BB and I's relationship. Why did you think saying that was ok?
 
You're welcome @Camoclone

I was just posting the reason I believed for NOT lynching bb. Just my OPINION you didn't need to confirm or deny anything...

And besides I needed a reason for not lynching bb or you and that's what I thinking is happening which you've kinda confirmed...
 
Not sure about Yeowie just yet since it seems like Celever is over protecting him:

Celever said:
I town read Yeowie and he has his wits about him and wants to contribute. Josh is also a major town read. bb is a scum read but an extremely high risk lynch.

There are no better targets today than Cinesra, and this is exactly the mentality which means he is a good lynch. We've got two lynches to use, let's use one to get rid of the active lurker and then afterwards treat this like a new day but with some real information. Is that really such an awful idea?
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Celever said:
How is lynching the player with one of the highest interests in the game Day 1 beneficial? It was for the same reason I slightly doubted my lynch vote in you, bb, but you're still a strong scum read for me. Yeowie is very much a town read.
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Celever said:
Ok....

Yeowie clearly has a lot of invested interest in the game and wants to participate and contribute. He's also pretty knowledgeable, especially for a new player, and hasn't really been scummy at all (everything he did which is making y'all think he's mafia me and Chaos Jackal, and I think others around like Luis did too) so lynching him is not beneficial at all. A statement instead of a question this time :v.

And the it was referring to the previous sentence, because Yeowie is also very much active.
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Maybe there is a good reason for that?
 
Lets do this instead.
Celever said:
Y'know what? I hate to do this but today we are just going around in circles and not really doing anything. Camo's got some role stuff with my #1 scum read rn but it's only Day 1 so it's impossible to build an impenetrable case on him. So...

##UNVOTE: bbninjas
##VOTE Cinesra

This is a low risk lynch because Cinesra is rarely useful. Squirtle Squad said it perfectly: we're not going to get any information until we lynch someone, and this day is moving too slowly for my liking, since besides a star witness claim we've really garnered no leads or info... so the use of this day thus far is basically -1.

By lynching Cinesra we either nail a scum, or lynch an active lurking townie, so it's not a huge loss either way. We get to at the very least see reactions to the lynch and make some progress, and I just feel pressured by Pandora's Box, I don't know why.

Thoughts on this lynch guys? :L
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Let me get this straight. Celever wants to randomly pick a lurker and turbo lynch them when we have so much information right now? That seems like a great idea. The bolded part is particularly interesting because lynching an inactive is the player that gives us the least amount of information.

Celever said:
I think it's too early for that since the point of lynching an active lurker is progressing quickly. We should just focus on low risk lynches right now, and Cinesra sort of stands out to me.

I don't think Cookie is a great idea, because in the future he'll get subbed out, and then we might get a pretty good town contributor in Keeper of Night.We've got subs to use so it won't be modkill immediately.

Why did you not share your thoughts on this generally well-recepted idea at all? That's pretty weird.
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Low risk lynches is wrong. IDC if we lynch an active player as long as they are scum. Celever randomly picked an inactive and is now completely on his wagon no doubt. He is now shifting the discussion entirely to the inactive which gets us nowhere.

Celever said:
Lynching an active idea is a much better idea and Camo knows it. Notice how he avoided sharing thoughts in it and now has left the thread? We get a p good lead on Camp now if Cinesra flips scum; he just subtly defended him. Cinesra is a good idea, because Josh is going to be an obvious mafia in the future if he is. He's not worth a lynch at this point at all.

Clearly Camo's role is connected to bb's, and I think I know how, but I won't say. We should stick on Cinesra today for now.
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The thing is I clearly expressed why it was a bad idea and clearly expressed why I was going to bed. If your argument against someone is so flimsy that you blame them for having a life then it is probably not a good argument. And why does he think that all new mafia players eventually slip? That doesn't happen.

Celever said:
Because people will try to draw leads that aren't there if we lynch Josh and a Cinesra lynch will never stick. This is why we should lynch Cinesra first. Camo only wants to lynch Josh because he offended him, which isn't indicative of alignment, but you guys shouldn't eat it up.
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Still completely focused on the random inactive he picked. And he ignores all the evidence I game.

Celever said:
What makes you think I'm a little bit cummy, Squirtle Squad? D: No other discussion is happening today, so may as well go further into it.
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Now he is reacting to a very minor thing.

Celever said:
Yeah, that's fair enough. I always give off scummy vibes :p

lol :v
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Downplaying it with the "playstyle".

Celever said:
@Chaos Jackal what do you think to a Cinesra lynch?

Celever said:
We're about 60 hours into this day and we're making no ground. We've still got two lynches to do today. Unless someone can provide a good reason for us NOT to lynch Cinesra first and someone else later I want to see the votes.
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Still completely focused on Cinesra and is trying to draw everyone in to the discussion.

Celever said:
There are no better targets today than Cinesra, and this is exactly the mentality which means he is a good lynch. We've got two lynches to use, let's use one to get rid of the active lurker and then afterwards treat this like a new day but with some real information. Is that really such an awful idea?
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Still completely focused. If we were to lynch an inactive it should be on the 2nd day so we actually get information on the first day.

The reasons why lynching a lurker is bad right now:
  • Town PR's lurk just as much as scum. Celever refuses to acknowledge that.
  • We can't go back and look at reactions. We get very little information from their lynch.
  • We actually have quite a few solid leads right now.

##UNVOTE: JOSHB
##VOTE: CELEVER
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Squirtle Squad said:
You're welcome @Camoclone

I was just posting the reason I believed for NOT lynching bb. Just my OPINION you didn't need to confirm or deny anything...

And besides I needed a reason for not lynching bb or you and that's what I thinking is happening which you've kinda confirmed...
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Please don't tell me you actually think Camo is not being sarcastic...

Camo, why are you so persistent on pushing Josh's lynch for this current moment? Mine and Yeowie's lynches are currently the ones with the greater amount of votes, and pushing for yet another person's lynch is not going to finish Day 1. Cinesra fits this bargain to imo.

scattered mind said:
Not sure about Yeowie just yet since it seems like Celever is over protecting him:

Maybe there is a good reason for that?
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I don't think Celever being overprotective of anyone is a good scumtell. If he thinks someone is a townread he will stick to it (thought I think that's a similar case with scum-buddying) so you don't really know who made the mistake until both are lynched. Celever has buddied with scum on waaaaay too many occasions while playing with him.

Oh, scattered, while I've got your attention. Who is your current vote? You have your vote on myself but then are pursuing a Celever/Yeowie scumhunt, which doesn't make much sense.
 
Camo... WHY HAVE YOU JUST STARTED A CELEVER VS CAMO SITUATION WHEN WERE ON A TIMER!!!!
/me flings hands up in the air.

Everyone, stand back for a bit.
 
Camoclone said:
Because he is obvious new scum.
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But you are the only person pursuing it as far as I can see. If you are the only person pursuing it then your vote goes no where. How about lynching someone else and lynching Josh on part 2?
 
bbninjas said:
But you are the only person pursuing it as far as I can see. If you are the only person pursuing it then your vote goes no where. How about lynching someone else and lynching Josh on part 2?
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Look at what happened last game. And sure. Celever is a good part 1 lynch.
 
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