You don't use your own reasoning. That's a problem and is one reason why you are the best lynch (tied with Celever) for today.
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How come you are the only person who actually claims I am scum? Are all the other veteran players incapable of making the same deductions about me, as you? From the moment this game started I hurt your pride, and you are holding a grudge. You show little evidence about why I am actually scum in your posts which always go like this, "oh he is being a bandwagon", "come on guys, let's just vote him out', "he is so scum".
Just ignore him Josh. This is his normal play. Pick on the new guy, pick on the new guy, pick on the new guy. Sadly, no one else seems to care that Camo is a big bully to new players.
Some people are really pushing this argument about my focus on the indie. I was only truly focusing on the indie at the start, while everyone was, because that was just the topic. I didn't see a need to discuss mafia.
All of my later posts about the indie have been purposefully related to the indie, such as when I said that the indie would benefit from the timer going up faster. It's nothing to do with hiding from mafia convictions.
"When he flips scum." Are you really that sure that I am scum? To put it out there, I truly have a virtually useless townie role. But for anyone else, it's handy, and you might want its effects; I'm looking for someone to gift a crystal ball to. Then they can pretty much have a death wish. Yay.yeah... camo vs clever again... not getting old
Yet, not surprisingly, Camo has raised many good points!
Celever has been buddying Yeowie... So why don't we lynch yeowie now and then when he flips scum we lynch celever for buddying hard.
And then if Celever flips town we will have saved ourselves from Celever buddying every other scum in existence like he did last game
And yes i was being equally sarcastic back at Camo bbninjas
C/P:
You are Taylor Park, and you are aligned with the town. You're an androgynous bisexual with an appetite for fashion, and your dream is to have your very own clothing line someday. For what it's worth, the people of Kara's Vale love your clothing designs, but it's not enough! Your genius must be realized the world over!
Active Ability: Gift
Once a game during any night you may PM me the name of a player other than you. That player will receive a crystal ball and this message:
"You have received a crystal ball, which grants you the following Gifted Ability:
Gifted Ability: Gaze
Once a night you may PM me the name of a player. When you die, the role PM of the last name you sent will be revealed to the town."
Win Condition: All members of the mafia eliminated and Pandora's Box does not open
It was not a distraction post, it was meant to be focused on the indie's benefits from the timer going up.
Side note: Don't spell my name wrong. Please. It's Yeowie, with an 'eo', not 'ao'.
That isn't at all what I said and you know it. I said you evaded the question, and you need to focus on that. Evading questions like that is a common scumtell.
It was all true. Otherwise you wouldn't mind making a proper case post which is more substantial "look back I said it before lol!
"Actually it's not a "random lurker" and I've posted my reasoning twice before now. I chose Cinesra over anyone else because Cookie will be subbed out soon and we will probably get a useful contributor (Keeper of Night) from that. Vom's away with will contribute when he gets back, and the other renowned active lurker is Muffin but he's being a bit more active this game which is his town meta, so that leaves us with Cinesra.
And we have no information rn. Literally none. The only information I could see us ever garnering from our first lynch today is info on you by lynching Cinesra; if Cinesra is mafia I'm willing to bet that you are too. Yeowie and Josh literally provide is with no information on players, except that you're arguing that it provides info on me because I'm apparently the only active who can see that lynching them is a bad idea. However, cast your mind, and I remember @Athena also saying that the Yeowie lynch is very bad, and @Mr.Muffin is echoing my thoughts too. They're just not very vocal players.
So you don't want us to make a low risk move Day 1 part 1? You want us to make a high risk low reward as opposed to a low risk middling reward lynch? How does that make any sense whatsoever?
While obviously, yes, active mafia is better than inactive town (as I actually pointed out earlier), the only strong scum read is on an active player who has even more doubt planted in the efficacy of his lynch thanks to you. As such, low risk is undoubtedly the superior option here.
And it doesn't get us nowhere, if we lynch them. You starting a wagon on me will not end in a lynch though, and I can guarantee that, so suddenly voting for me is what really gets us nowhere today.
You did nothing but evade the question. If you hadn't someone would have pointed me to your answer when I said you evaded the question the first time. If you think you did answer the question, you'd better reiterate your points, since everyone in the game missed your answer.
Also I didn't say that all new players eventually slip, I said that if Josh is mafia, he will. He's already shown us that he's a very emotional player and that he gets caught up in the moment a bit, and that combined with his inexperience means that a scum slip in the future is extremely likely if he's mafia.
You have given no evidence. If this is such an amazing lynch, reiterate your case, it's really not the most difficult thing in the world. If you cop out by saying "I've said it all already read back" then I know that you're lying, because I have read back and there's no reason to lynch him. That's why you're the only person who thinks that lynching Josh is a good idea right now.
I think you mean generating discussion.
Well, you can't really deny I give off scummy vibes no matter what. Hell, both you and Thena said it was weird I wasn't being scummy today towards the start of it.
Like you've been being with Josh? Except that I've stated multiple good reasons to lynch Cinesra and you've provided zero for Josh. Cinesra is by far the best lynch today so I want people to share their thoughts on it. That only makes sense, wouldn't you agree?
Why would we lynch an active lurker on Day 2 when we have info from nightkills and other night actions by that point? This really reads to me like you really don't want Cinesra lynched and you thought I would fall for that fake alternative.
1) I'm lynching Cinesra because lurking THIS game, I'm lynching Cinesra because he always lurks, and as such will also lurk this game, regardless of his role.
2) Actually we can. You never defend people, especially Day 1. You are really defending Cinesra here, so that is an invaluable link we can get right there. Also I don't think you know what reaction means? It means how they act because of the lynch. The lynch hasn't happened yet (thanks to you), so you can't possibly know that we won't get any good reactions from it.
3) We really don't. The only solid lead was Luctini and he's obviously town. A bunch of the players ate up your case on Yeowie and now he's just posted a totally legit claim, not to my surprise. Camo's got it wrong today, guys, so can we please just go for Cinesra? C'mon, guys, put a little faith in me... I might surprise you!
Camo I'm not interested in any circular arguments with you today. If you have a point you feel needs refuting then by all means do so, but do so properly, don't just say "LOL GUYS THIS IS ALL WRONG! Why? uhh.... I don't know why it just is ok?
Anyway, unsurprisingly @Yeowie's claim looks totally legit so I want to see the votes coming off of him and onto Cinesra please! Plus, I think he might have done something pretty clever and towny with that claim (but maybe not, I'm not sure). If you did then props to you for that!
Now that 2/4 of Camo's targets today are almost certainly and probably town respectively, can you stop listening to him and go for Cinesra now please? kkthx :3
@Jeremy1026 I really want to see a lynch vote from you, by the way.
I don't baby new players. You shouldn't either. If they are scum they are scum. If you can't lynch new players then...
"Veteran". Plenty of people think you are scummy. You haven't hurt my pride at all. I get even more reps once you flip scum.
I didn't evade any questions.
You are way too linear. Think outside of the box. We have tons of information. You have enough games under your belt where you should be able to look back and see good cases.
It's not high risk. IDC if you are active. I could honestly care less.
You =/= everyone. That's commonly done by mafia.
Not at all. lol.
I didn't want to go here but you have a history of buddying scum and that should be considered.
I've says why Cinesra is a terrible lynch. Think outside the box.
Still completely focused on the "random" inactive he chose.
Niceeeeee. So you don't even think he is scum. That's great.
Actually we can't. I'm defending him because lynching him right now is a terrible idea. You are the one who I don't think gets reactions. There is so much more to it than what you said.
Look back, read. We have tons of information. My D1 works. Do you know why?3) We really don't. The only solid lead was Luctini and he's obviously town. A bunch of the players ate up your case on Yeowie and now he's just posted a totally legit claim, not to my surprise. Camo's got it wrong today, guys, so can we please just go for Cinesra? C'mon, guys, put a little faith in me... I might surprise you!
Everyone should read this. He thinks I led the case on Yeowie. Also commonly done by scum.
lol. I haven't lead the case on anyone. See the bold right above.
@everyone. Do you want me to spell out every case word for word? I can do that but it requires a ton of work. Most of you aren't getting it.
Ok then only part of that post which isn't saying "LOL YOU'RE WRONG idk why though ;;" is this:
Yes, we do. Right now you're not convincing anyone about Josh nor me, so you have to build a case, as well as build a proper defense for why we shouldn't lynch Cinesra with real reasons, because you still haven't said a legit reason.Camoclone said:
I cut them because they don't matter at all.
Yes, obviously cutting out my reasoning for lynching Cinesra is irrelevant when you're making the point that I have no reasoning for lynching him. I don't see any benefits you would get by cutting that out of my post at all!
lol. I have tons of proof. Read my posts.
I somehow think this will be a repeat of last game. You guys don't get it.
You have reasons for lynching him they are just bad and anti-town at this stage.
I really don't care to do that for obvious things.
You do realise that different things are obvious to different people, right? I think it's obvious that Cinesra is the best lynch today, but I still backed it up with totally sound and logical reasoning. Seriously, if Cinesra flips scum we need to take a look at Camo.
Lets humor you:
- Lynching an inactive gives us no information to look back at. When a player is lynched a good town player will go back and analyze their posts and how people respond. They will analyze everything again. Celever wants us to lynch an inactive first meaning we will have almost no new information to talk about before it becomes night.
- Celever is focused on lynching a random player who is always inactive. He doesn't believe he is scum. He is focused on lynching him because he is inactive (and likely will be).
- Celever wants to shift all discussion to this random player.
- Celever is bragging about knowing a player was town (not confirmed). This is scummy because scum knows who the town players are. They will often times not pursue a wagon on a town player.
- Celever has a built in safeproof by saying Cinesra didn't matter. He doesn't contribute so why keep him? Well we should try to keep all town players alive. Imagine if Cinesra has a PR. There are plenty of active players that don't contribute but just bandwagon.
- Celever is acting like everyone agrees with him.
- Celever is refusing to acknowledge that there are good leads right now. There are. If a skilled player looks back they will find tons of them.
You have buddies with scum a lot int he past. What I'm doing is not buddying. I don't care if Cinesra dies. He just does not need to die now. We have so many better leads.
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