Finished Werewolf XXVII: Revelation

[Celever]

Celever you don't have a good history of good scum reads, so I am still a little wary of any thing you put out.

I'm not gonna pretend like last game wasn't abysmal for me in terms of reads, and I've had bad games in the past (there was one game where I was doctor and protected mafia every night, except for the night I self-protected and won the game for the town) but the point of this Cinesra is that it's very low risk, and if I AM right with my reads today (which was sometimes happen! ) we can determine it without a huge loss for the town if I'm wrong. It's better than all out trying to lynch Camo or bb, right?

@bbninjas my Role PM flavour cleans me, but I haven't claimed it yet for obvious reasons, so I'm not clean yet. If you guys actually drive me to the point of claiming the town will lose out though (and not even because I'm a Star Witness, which I'm not, even though flavourfully I should be IMO but oh well).

bb, there are no other good options. I've already said why the current lynch options on the table are bad, with you at least in relation to Cinesra.

Camo just wants me to repeat things to respond to the above post, which I'm not going to do because we don't have the time to get into a Celever vs Camo argument today (which he is trying oh so hard to instigate, may I add).

 

[bbninjas]

How is Josh not a good lynch @Celever ?

 

[Mr.Muffin]

The more I think about it what are we getting through lynching an inactive. Nothing. He hasn't shown any allegiance towards anyone. What we have is -1 town, and no leads for part 2. If you pick someone who is active you at least can tell a little bit about some of the other active players.

Let us assume their are at least 4-5 scum, and indies. Their are 23 of us, so at the most the chances of us killing a scum is 17%. You are pretty much picking a random rock out of a bag. Celever are truly willing to take that risk. Picking a random townie to kill is very scummy when you think about it.

I have a proposition. If you are so sure that this will give the town some kind of lead then I will go ahead with this. If at Part 2 we have no leads because of the role reveal you are going to the vote. You would have been responsible for pushing the lynch on a townie with no lead.

 

[Yeowie]

Lets humor you:

1. Lynching an inactive gives us no information to look back at. When a player is lynched a good town player will go back and analyze their posts and how people respond. They will analyze everything again. Celever wants us to lynch an inactive first meaning we will have almost no new information to talk about before it becomes night.
2. Celever is focused on lynching a random player who is always inactive. He doesn't believe he is scum. He is focused on lynching him because he is inactive (and likely will be).
3. Celever wants to shift all discussion to this random player.
4. Celever is bragging about knowing a player was town (not confirmed). This is scummy because scum knows who the town players are. They will often times not pursue a wagon on a town player.
5. Celever has a built in safeproof by saying Cinesra didn't matter. He doesn't contribute so why keep him? Well we should try to keep all town players alive. Imagine if Cinesra has a PR. There are plenty of active players that don't contribute but just bandwagon.
6. Celever is acting like everyone agrees with him.
7. Celever is refusing to acknowledge that there are good leads right now. There are. If a skilled player looks back they will find tons of them.

In my eyes, just about every statement here is hypocritical. Period.

We really don't. This game hasn't been going on very long.

NOT GOING ON VERY LONG?! 60+ hours, and you say it hasn't gone long, when we have a timer which has probably ticked over to '2' now. What scummy vibes, man.

What do you mean taking my vote off? I've not voted Yeowie once this whole entire game.

It's true, and Celever's probably the only one here who hasn't participated in more than one bandwagon. It's cause he's smart. 'Nuff said. @Camoclone , stop your antics and accept the facts.

@Yeowie, give your fortune ball to whoever your strongest town read is tonight. It will be a disappointing waste of your role if you end up giving it mafia.

Exactly my plan. Did Camo really think he would get it...? He's pretty high up on my scumread list.

I don't care about flavor but his role seems really dang cool. I can believe it. I just hope he targets me with it tonight. My role doesn't evolve.

*snorts loudly*

Also, I'm just going to say it now so that we can keep things moving along at a totally steady pace. I'm cleaned by flavour, the only player who will benefit from starting a wagon on me is the indie because all we'll be doing is wasting time.

^ And js, this backs me up, another person mentioning the indie because it is truly the focus of the statement. I was not focusing on the indie to avoid getting read for mafia.

 

[Camoclone]

@bbninjas my Role PM flavour cleans me, but I haven't claimed it yet for obvious reasons, so I'm not clean yet. If you guys actually drive me to the point of claiming the town will lose out though (and not even because I'm a Star Witness, which I'm not, even though flavourfully I should be IMO but oh well).

lol. Actually that makes the perfect safeclaim for scum.

The more I think about it what are we getting through lynching an inactive. Nothing. He hasn't shown any allegiance towards anyone. What we have is -1 town, and no leads for part 2. If you pick someone who is active you at least can tell a little bit about some of the other active players.

EXACTLY.

lol. Don't worry he picked an inactive randomly. That at least gives them a chance.

jk

 

[Camoclone]

NOT GOING ON VERY LONG?! 60+ hours, and you say it hasn't gone long, when we have a timer which has probably ticked over to '2' now. What scummy vibes, man.

lol.

 

[Camoclone]

In my eyes, just about every statement here is hypocritical. Period.

Ok. Lets do it this way. Explain how every one of those "hypocritical" things apply to me.

 

[Yeowie]

The more I think about it what are we getting through lynching an inactive. Nothing. He hasn't shown any allegiance towards anyone. What we have is -1 town, and no leads for part 2. If you pick someone who is active you at least can tell a little bit about some of the other active players.

Let us assume their are at least 4-5 scum, and indies. Their are 23 of us, so at the most the chances of us killing a scum is 17%. You are pretty much picking a random rock out of a bag. Celever are truly willing to take that risk. Picking a random townie to kill is very scummy when you think about it.

I have a proposition. If you are so sure that this will give the town some kind of lead then I will go ahead with this. If at Part 2 we have no leads because of the role reveal you are going to the vote. You would have been responsible for pushing the lynch on a townie with no lead.

Myself, I'd be reluctant to agree to vote Celever after his contributions, but I see the sense in it all. You are probably the only person in this game, Mr.Muffin, who is making 100% sensible and contributing statements.

 

[Camoclone]

It's true, and Celever's probably the only one here who hasn't participated in more than one bandwagon. It's cause he's smart. 'Nuff said. @Camoclone , stop your antics and accept the facts.

It's cause he defends scum as both town and scum.


Flavor doesn't clear anyone. Nice try guys.

 

[Camoclone]

Myself, I'd be reluctant to agree to vote Celever after his contributions, but I see the sense in it all. You are probably the only person in this game, Mr.Muffin, who is making 100% sensible and contributing statements.

I said that 10 pages ago. lolololol

 

[Camoclone]

Myself, I'd be reluctant to agree to vote Celever after his contributions

What contributions?

The irony of this whole entire thing is so funny.

 

[bbninjas]

@Yeowie

Camo is playing exactly how he would play as town. Oh, and btw, my ability evolves at 50 on the timer, so I guess we do have a while until the game ends :>

 

[bbninjas]

What contributions?

The irony of this whole entire thing is so funny.

He contributes more than you appear to do in the short run. Just how good are his contributions - that's the problem.

 

[Camoclone]

Camo just wants me to repeat things to respond to the above post, which I'm not going to do because we don't have the time to get into a Celever vs Camo argument today (which he is trying oh so hard to instigate, may I add).

This is a gem mine boyz. We have the time to votepark on an inactive player but we don't have the time to talk. lolololol

 

[Celever]

How is Josh not a good lynch @Celever ?

Josh is a very emotional player and he gets caught up in the moment very easily. This combined with his inexperience means that if he is anti-town, it is extremely likely that he will make a scum slip in the future. If he doesn't, then he's probably town. It's also nice to have a fallback target sometimes, and Josh is a little bit scummy (though really his outbursts read as totally town) so I think it's semi-worth keeping him around.

Flavor doesn't clear anyone. Nice try guys.

Wrong.

lol. Actually that makes the perfect safeclaim for scum.

This is the equivalent of if Luis had made Harry Potter mafia. It'd break the game if I was scum.

The more I think about it what are we getting through lynching an inactive. Nothing. He hasn't shown any allegiance towards anyone. What we have is -1 town, and no leads for part 2. If you pick someone who is active you at least can tell a little bit about some of the other active players.

Let us assume their are at least 4-5 scum, and indies. Their are 23 of us, so at the most the chances of us killing a scum is 17%. You are pretty much picking a random rock out of a bag. Celever are truly willing to take that risk. Picking a random townie to kill is very scummy when you think about it.

I have a proposition. If you are so sure that this will give the town some kind of lead then I will go ahead with this. If at Part 2 we have no leads because of the role reveal you are going to the vote. You would have been responsible for pushing the lynch on a townie with no lead.

The thing is, is that if Cinesra flips scum we basically get two more guaranteed mafia (Camo and bb). If he flips town we don't get a huge amount of info, but it will save us almost certainly lynching him in future days due to lack of contribution. Muffin, who would be your number 1 lynch right now? No one agrees on this, so the propsect of hitting 3 mafia is major, and we don't lose out on much if he flips town. It just makes too much sense!

And it's not a random target. My two biggest scum reads are linked to him now (Camo and bb) and he was the active lurker which made the most sense, as I explained before.

This is a gem mine boyz. We have the time to votepark on an inactive player but we don't have the time to talk. lolololol

That's because there are no other good alternatives besides Cinesra, and even though you seem so intent on this not being true, you haven't explained it. I've asked you to build a proper case on your scum reads and you still haven't. I don't understand what you think we are, mind readers?

Also @Yeowie, I can't say I don't like the compliments, but I'm really not amazing at this game!

 

[Camoclone]

Josh is a very emotional player and he gets caught up in the moment very easily. This combined with his inexperience means that if he is anti-town, it is extremely likely that he will make a scum slip in the future. If he doesn't, then he's probably town. It's also nice to have a fallback target sometimes, and Josh is a little bit scummy (though really his outbursts read as totally town) so I think it's semi-worth keeping him around.

lol. lol. lol. Or he AtE and is half decent.

Wrong

It doesn't. PMJ is a good host and almost all good hosts dont let flavor clear anyone (or give extra info at all).

The thing is, is that if Cinesra flips scum we basically get two more guaranteed mafia (Camo and bb). If he flips town we don't get a huge amount of info, but it will save us almost certainly lynching him in future days due to lack of contribution. Muffin, who would be your number 1 lynch right now? No one agrees on this, so the propsect of hitting 3 mafia is major, and we don't lose out on much if he flips town. It just makes too much sense!

And it's not a random target. My two biggest scum reads are linked to him now (Camo and bb) and he was the active lurker which made the most sense, as I explained before.

It's a random inactive. Stop trying to justify it. And we dont have two guaranteed scum. You don't know what is happening.

 

[Camoclone]

He contributes more than you appear to do in the short run. Just how good are his contributions - that's the problem.

Long posts =/= contributing if they are completely false and follow bad logic.

 

[Celever]

lol. lol. lol. Or he AtE and is half decent.

It was clearly emotional towny outbursts. This is his first game.

It doesn't. PMJ is a good host and almost all good hosts dont let flavor clear anyone (or give extra info at all).

I'm Mayor Kara. Still convinced flavour can't clear anyone? Now get off my back and follow your mayor.

It's a random inactive. Stop trying to justify it. And we dont have two guaranteed scum. You don't know what is happening.

"Don't justify it you've hit my scum buddy! ;~;". Your outcries are amusing Camo.

 

[bbninjas]

Josh is a very emotional player and he gets caught up in the moment very easily. This combined with his inexperience means that if he is anti-town, it is extremely likely that he will make a scum slip in the future. If he doesn't, then he's probably town. It's also nice to have a fallback target sometimes, and Josh is a little bit scummy (though really his outbursts read as totally town) so I think it's semi-worth keeping him around.

Why don't we lynch him now then!? We don't need to wait for a proper scum slip that could never actually happen, which will then make him cleared town to you cause you've been waiting for one.

The thing is, is that if Cinesra flips scum we basically get two more guaranteed mafia (Camo and bb). If he flips town we don't get a huge amount of info, but it will save us almost certainly lynching him in future days due to lack of contribution. Muffin, who would be your number 1 lynch right now? No one agrees on this, so the propsect of hitting 3 mafia is major, and we don't lose out on much if he flips town. It just makes too much sense!
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I think you're thinking too hard Celever. First, it was the lover's theory. Next, it is that we are scum. Either contradictions or something else.

And it's not a random target. My two biggest scum reads are linked to him now (Camo and bb) and he was the active lurker which made the most sense, as I explained before.

Since when? And you can't active lurk by making a single post, you know...

That's because there are no other good alternatives besides Cinesra, and even though you seem so intent on this not being true, you haven't explained it. I've asked you to build a proper case on your scum reads and you still haven't. I don't understand what you think we are, mind readers?

You haven't built much of a case on Cinesra so I don't think you can talk...

 

[bbninjas]

Long posts =/= contributing if they are completely false and follow bad logic.

Celever has good logic at some points and bad logic at others. He does not always have solely bad logic, and you fully well know that.

It was clearly emotional towny outbursts. This is his first game.

I'm Mayor Kara. Still convinced flavour can't clear anyone? Now get off my back and follow your mayor.

"Don't justify it you've hit my scum buddy! ;~;". Your outcries are amusing Camo.

Flavour is meant to give a backstory. Guess what! Backstory claims are perfect for the scum! Also... since when can the mayor not be corrupt?