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thegrovylekid said:
Whoops:

Potential roles based on effects:
Zinnia - Whismur - Uproar
Professor Birch - Birch's notes
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It seems like both you and I forgot that scattered mind claimed Professor Birch. I think that he's cleaned by flavour, actually, which gives us three options for lynch today: PMJ, simisands (far too risky because of Flygon) and Empoleon_master.
 
Celever said:
It seems like both you and I forgot that scattered mind claimed Professor Birch. I think that he's cleaned by flavour, actually, which gives us three options for lynch today: PMJ, simisands (far too risky because of Flygon) and Empoleon_master.
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Oh. I must have missed that. PMJ is the best lynch today, I think.
 
Celever said:
Let's do a bit of player analysis.
Active:
TGK
Celever
Squirtle Squad
PMJ
scattered mind
simsands
Cypher333
Empoleon_master (though not really contributing)

Inactive:
Reinforce
Yeowie
Keeper of night
GM DracLord
TwistedTurtwig
SilverSilent
Ice Espeon

(May as well be) dead:
Growlitheguy
Luispipe8 - Team Magma

In werewolf the mafia will always be split between the active players and the inactive players until one of those two categories is dead, since it's just how the games and I think maths works. If we focus on the active players this makes our hunt much easier, because:
Active:
TGK
Celever
Squirtle Squad
PMJ
scattered mind
simsands
Cypher333
Empoleon_master (though not really contributing)

As far as I'm concerned, TGK, Cypher and I are all confirmed town right now. I also have basically the strongest town read I've ever had with Squirtle Squad and I cannot imagine any situations where he is mafia. This leaves us with PMJ, scattered mind, simsands and EM. Obvously I think we should lynch PMJ, but this is still a good point to bring up. I have a town read on scattered mind right now, but I see the last post as trying to draw attention towards inactives which we don't have any proper info on right now. I can see it being a mistake a town could make, but it's also kind of scummy. I still have a very nullread on simsands, and EM I read as genuine though he's also... kind of not. Also null. The point I'm trying to make is that we basically have 4 viable lynch options right now to focus on, whereas if we start trying to talk about the inactives it'll be a huge mess of various opinions and people trying to convince others of weak and somewhat random cases. I think we need more focused discussion and this is one of those days where a hammer isn't scummy. Yesterday it was very scummy because it was completely needless and didn't benefit town at all. Today I don't feel there is any particularly worthwhile discussion to have, which is an extremely rare thing to happen.

@scattered mind I feel your logic is kind of flawed because later on in the game is when we have an abundance of information. Early game we need to play by the flip as opposed to the alliance -- playing by the flip is where given two somewhat good lynch options we lynch the option which will give us more and/or more solid info. PMJ's flip will help us far more leading into Day 3 than GM Drac's will, and on D3 we are almost sure to lynch PMJ anyway presuming no info roles out a surefire mafia.
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I'm not drawing attention. You can see me "hunting" inactive players since D1. This is just my logic that we should not let inactive scums post only when it is good for them.
I don't think there will be a mess since the inactive players barely answers when we are asking or voting for them.
Anyway, it seems there are more active players not caring about inactive players being inactive than the ones who does, making inactive players to have no reason to answer our questions or votes unless they simply want to or that they are town.
Thanks for that.

@Squirtle Squad - My Pokémon is the tracker, not me :p give him cred.
I'm not Professor Birch. Never claimed that..
 
scattered mind said:
I'm not drawing attention. You can see me "hunting" inactive players since D1. This is just my logic that we should not let inactive scums post only when it is good for them.
I don't think there will be a mess since the inactive players barely answers when we are asking or voting for them.
Anyway, it seems there are more active players not caring about inactive players being inactive than the ones who does, making inactive players to have no reason to answer our questions or votes unless they simply want to or that they are town.
Thanks for that.

@Squirtle Squad - My Pokémon is the tracker, not me :p give him cred.
I'm not Professor Birch. Never claimed that..
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Some players are inactive at the start of the game and move active later on, regardless of affiliation. Other players are active the whole time and yet more are inactive the whole time. GM DracLord is the latter, as is IE, which means that we just scrutinise what they do post more heavily than everyone else's posts.
 
I don't know how to phrase this asides from the fact that BBninjas at leadt knew he was dealing with a new player when he gave me my role and abilities, they're not that complicated and decent yet not too good to be used every 5 seconds. I don't want to copy paste all of my roll as I have an ability which could be used to great effect later on in the game and for now is WW bait if I reveal. Btw think about if you were a host what role would you give a noob player that has no idea WTF they are doing, would you make them a werewolf or town?
 
Celever said:
Let's do a bit of player analysis.
Active:
TGK
Celever
Squirtle Squad
PMJ
scattered mind
simsands
Cypher333
Empoleon_master (though not really contributing)

Inactive:
Reinforce
Yeowie
Keeper of night
GM DracLord
TwistedTurtwig
SilverSilent
Ice Espeon

(May as well be) dead:
Growlitheguy
Luispipe8 - Team Magma

In werewolf the mafia will always be split between the active players and the inactive players until one of those two categories is dead, since it's just how the games and I think maths works. If we focus on the active players this makes our hunt much easier, because:
Active:
TGK
Celever
Squirtle Squad
PMJ
scattered mind
simsands
Cypher333
Empoleon_master (though not really contributing)

As far as I'm concerned, TGK, Cypher and I are all confirmed town right now. I also have basically the strongest town read I've ever had with Squirtle Squad and I cannot imagine any situations where he is mafia. This leaves us with PMJ, scattered mind, simsands and EM. Obvously I think we should lynch PMJ, but this is still a good point to bring up. I have a town read on scattered mind right now, but I see the last post as trying to draw attention towards inactives which we don't have any proper info on right now. I can see it being a mistake a town could make, but it's also kind of scummy. I still have a very nullread on simsands, and EM I read as genuine though he's also... kind of not. Also null. The point I'm trying to make is that we basically have 4 viable lynch options right now to focus on, whereas if we start trying to talk about the inactives it'll be a huge mess of various opinions and people trying to convince others of weak and somewhat random cases. I think we need more focused discussion and this is one of those days where a hammer isn't scummy. Yesterday it was very scummy because it was completely needless and didn't benefit town at all. Today I don't feel there is any particularly worthwhile discussion to have, which is an extremely rare thing to happen.

@scattered mind I feel your logic is kind of flawed because later on in the game is when we have an abundance of information. Early game we need to play by the flip as opposed to the alliance -- playing by the flip is where given two somewhat good lynch options we lynch the option which will give us more and/or more solid info. PMJ's flip will help us far more leading into Day 3 than GM Drac's will, and on D3 we are almost sure to lynch PMJ anyway presuming no info roles out a surefire mafia.
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The thing that I feel about not lynching inactives, I've been town reading everyone except EM from your list. You, Cypher and TGK for obvious reasons. Scattered Mind's ability definitely reads town to me. PMJ, I understand why you might think he's scum, but I've been getting town wibes from watching him. To me, he seems like a townie just trying to stir things up to see the reactions. Squirtle Squad pretty much just claimed... No reason not to believe him unless someone counterclaims. If you specifically want us to lynch someone from your list, then my vote definitely goes on EM. As you say, he's barely contributing while staying active, and as I mentioned yesterday, I felt something scummy about him.

Squirtle Squad said:
Now these aren't the only two posts from Drac about Vote Counts, nearly everyone one of his posts in this game have been analysing the Vote Counts and deducing everyones Vote Weight.

To me, this screams like scum trying to appear Townie. Its a safe way of contributing without fear of buddying anyone or appearing scummy, because Vote Counts are exactly what they are. Im pretty sure there was a game recently where this sort of thing happened and they flipped scum?

Pretty much I see this as sharing and contributing to the town in a way that seems townie, but in actual fact the information is really not that relevant.

If anyone else remembers this incident please let me know, but for now I'm going to

##unvote: TwistedTurtwig
##Vote: GM DracLord

We're still lynching someone who hasn't been contributing and appears scummy (to me at least)
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However, I definitely agree with Squirtle Squad that GM DracLord seems very scummy. He's been appearing now and then during both days, not contributing with anything besides going on and on about vote weights. While it does seem like the game has plenty of that, he should not have known about it unless his role has something to do with it, or if he had outside information. Also, this:

GM DracLord said:
Never stop focussing about it FYI. Just not posting here alot about it anymore. The focus part most probably cause thats is the only think I more sure of then other things
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This reads to me that he's still posting about it somewhere else.

The way I see it, we have two potential candidates for a lynch; Empoleon_master and GM DracLord. Thoughts on this?
 
I am mobile on my way to work. I won't be able to reply for most of the night.

I claim Lunick. I can capture styler to use horde Pokémon and minun to reduce someone's vote weight to 0 next day. I tried on simsands but was blocked by muddy water. Celever can confirm if he is user
 
Can someone explain to me how I'm reading as scum, I constantly say to take my ideas with a pound of salt as I am trying to get an idea accross but don't intend for it to come out as scumy.
 
I don't fully believe PMJ's claim, but it makes sense. Not unvoting for now, just in case

Back to the drawing board:

Names that have been thrown out today:
TGK
EM
Simsands
SilverSilent
PMJ

There is no reason not to believe me confotown right now.

SilverSilent
Simsands
PMJ
EM

EM seems really confused town to me, but I love the enthusiasm

SilverSilent
Simsands
PMJ

For as weird as it is, I believe SilerSilent's claim.

Simsands
PMJ

PMJ's claim is believeable enough, and while flavour for Minun makes sense, reducing vote weight to 0 seems kind of scummy to me, so I'm on the fence.

This makes the most logical one Simsands, but I am not placing a vote on him because of Sand Tomb [Ironically, I tried to place it on someone who I didn't think would get votes today.]

So, everyone, PMJ or Simsands?
 
Agree with scum sounding claim but if plusle adds one it makes sense
 
I agree with tgk minun does seem quite anti town, because why else would you even need it unlees you were a were wolf? It just doesn't make sense, what so ever, you could have an ability that increases voting power like my blaziken but reducing someone else's? That has only one logical use, to reduce votes cast on you as you are a were wolf.
 
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