Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

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thegrovylekid said:
I think at one point he asked @mordacazir in-thread if he was Stahl, so I assumed Sully but I'm not sure.

Also, I just woke up, so this line of thought probably doesn't work, but couldn't Reinforce be Cervantes because his moustache makes him invincible?
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That would also make a great deal of sense. I'm not sure how the claim of role name seer works with Cervantes, though.

Regardless, it's irrelevant whether he's Cervantes or Excellus right now though :L
 
Celever said:
You're new so I'll tell you this plain and simple now. Don't rely on a claim. Anti-town players are given claims, so actually me claiming would contribute very little to the town. What you've done here is known as a rolefish, and it's a scum play where mafia try to farm details about a player's role out of them, as they are the primary benefactor from that information becoming public.
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I understand, as I've been following along and have seen simsands' safe claim and lynch, but I'm just confused on where to go from here. I just want claims, because claims usually lead to evidence, which usually leads to a lynch. Even just claiming an ability can soft-clear someone or condemn another.
 
It's a simple math. Celever hunted aggressively EM and GM Drac. Both were town. He defended simsands which was scum.

I also questioned the fact that bbninjas is still alive, for the same reason Luispipe gave.

About Reinforce- Why are Camo, KX and bbninjas are confirmed town ? (as @bbninjas stated earlier).
If that's true- add KX to the list of townies Celever hunted throughout the game.
 
quakingpunch73 said:
I understand, as I've been following along and have seen simsands' safe claim and lynch, but I'm just confused on where to go from here. I just want claims, because claims usually lead to evidence, which usually leads to a lynch. Even just claiming an ability can soft-clear someone or condemn another.
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Claims are only useful in context. Massclaims are a thing, but only very late game when a lot of the town's roles have already been claimed, and generally the doc should also be dead by that stage because it's always important having them around later in the game.

It's fine if you don't really know what to do right now. The issue with werewolf is that there will always be times where we don't have as much concrete information as we would optimally like. However, the game doesn't progress if we don't analyse actions and connections between players to find trends, and analyse those trends to formulate reads on the other players. Scumreads are our main tool right now.
scattered mind said:
It's a simple math. Celever hunted aggressively EM and GM Drac. Both were town. He defended simsands which was scum.
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This game wouldn't exist if things were so black and white lol.
I also questioned the fact that bbninjas is still alive, for the same reason Luispipe gave.

About Reinforce- Why are Camo, KX and bbninjas are confirmed town ? (as @bbninjas stated earlier).
If that's true- add KX to the list of townies Celever hunted throughout the game.
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They're not. RF has scanned them as town players, but this: A) assumes RF isn't lying; he's scum so this isn't a given and B) assumes that real role names are given and not safes. So yeah.
 
scattered mind said:
About Reinforce- Why are Camo, KX and bbninjas are confirmed town ? (as @bbninjas stated earlier).
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Cleared through Reinforce's role.

Which makes me doubt their status as confirmed townies. At least one of them.

Given that he's basically scum, it seems like a really easy way to attempt some town cred by using your seer role to publicize your buddy's safeclaim.
 
Celever said:
They're not. RF has scanned them as town players, but this: A) assumes RF isn't lying; he's scum so this isn't a given and B) assumes that real role names are given and not safes. So yeah.
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I agree, which btw, makes me wonder if Camo started to be active again thanks to that statement.

So, @bbninjas - Why are you so sure they are confirmed?
 
scattered mind said:
I agree, which btw, makes me wonder if Camo started to be active again thanks to that statement.

So, @bbninjas - Why are you so sure they are confirmed?
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My own personal theory is that bb could be RF's scumbuddy. Sometimes when you say something enough in-thread it becomes truth even if it's not because other players cba to check back. This isn't the first time bb has referred to himself as clean since RF's results, and I'm 99% sure I corrected him the other times too. This persistence reads scummily to me.

Though I also think his connections between sm and Prof. P is a good Grimleal scumteam.
 
Celever said:
You're reaching so hard rn. PMJ reinitiated pressure on EM yesterday. He was the main force behind votes on EM. OK, he didn't say "let's turbo lynch him", he just said "let's lynch him" and then when he wasn't around, I was the one who said "let's turbo lynch him" because circumstances changed. This is totally true.

Now, explain to me why this makes me scum, lol. You can't abuse the policy Lynch All Liars because we're not dumb and we can all see the difference between this situation and something like what EM was doing. The difference is that you're saying I lied about a subjective statement, whereas EM laid out his case as clear fact. You can't lie about something entirely subjective -- you can only be wrong about it. You don't lynch people for getting stuff wrong.
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Don't play dumb. Answer the question.

Celever said:
Oh stop jumping to conclusions, LMAO. You're just trying to bait me into doing WIFOM. This isn't how a townie plays. Essentially what you're doing here is putting the illegal substance in my bag so that you can arrest me for having it. This isn't helpful to the town's efforts. You can have a hunch, but you can't call for votes on me unless that hunch actually develops.
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Don't play dumb. Answer the question. Why did you say that PMJ was the one who called for the turbo when this was obviously untrue?

Celever said:
This game wouldn't exist if things were so black and white lol.
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That's no defense.
 
Camoclone said:
Don't play dumb. Answer the question.


Don't play dumb. Answer the question. Why did you say that PMJ was the one who called for the turbo when this was obviously untrue?


That's no defense.
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I've answered them. Notice how no one else said "answer Camo's question"? That's because they all respected my answer.

And there's nothing to defend against there because the logic is totally oversimplified and flawed. I don't defend against bad cases.
 
Your statement is subjective. Maybe you think what I said was wrong, but it wasn't a lie. You're trying to abuse a policy in Lynch All Liars to get me caught.

Once again, I will bring up the metaphor here that you're putting the illegal substance in my bag so that you can arrest me for having an illegal substance. I would like an answer as to why you tried to bait me into WIFOM earlier, but you won't give it to me.

I'd also like an answer as to why you're only getting on my case now. But if we had a major argument, it would distract the town from quality scumhunting, and I don't want that. Maybe you do, but I'd much rather listen to the reads of other players right now.

@quakingpunch73, you're somewhat enigmatic rn because you've just subbed in. Do you think you could provide a quick reads list so we can gauge where your thoughts lie on the other players? It'd be really useful :)
 
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