Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

[Camoclone]

Celever what information do you know that you aren't telling us?

 

[Camoclone]

I know you are hiding something.

 

[Camoclone]

Camo, play towards your win condition please.

AtE.

 

[Camoclone]

Why did I hide this? Recall that at the point that I could finally post, the votes have already piled up on me and everyone's minds had already been set. No amount of posts of "defense" would have changed minds, so I instead let my role and abilities "do the talking". Revealing that I was lynchproof before it could be confirmed would just paint me yesterday as desperate. That's why I let it be proven first. And there you have it. If you don't believe it, well... at least you don't need to ask proof from me now so I've done my part there. All that's left is the decision on your side.

You also wasted our time and our lynch.

##VOTE: CELEVER

You know information and you are hiding it.

 

[Camoclone]

Turbo if we can? EM is still active though.

Fixed! ~Vom

@Vom can we get an official explanation on what went on here?

 

[Celever]

@Vom can we get an official explanation on what went on here?

In the post above that one Vom told EM that he had to unlynch. I said "IMO you shouldn't have done that" because it was hosts helping the players too much, so she changed it but fsr felt the need to edit a little message into my post, lol.

I'm not hiding any info which the town benefits from knowing. My role is becoming super uninteresting at this stage.

AtE.

I don't consider that AtE, it was just a request. :v

Honestly, @PMJ is making an excellent as to why SM isn't scum. Originally, the infrequency of his posts was what made me believe him to be scum, but as PMJ stated, the content of his posts comes off as more townie than scum. Even though this is a backpedal, I have no idea what to do yet but...

##UnGetMoving: scattered mind

Magikarp used Splash!

 

[Vom]

@Vom can we get an official explanation on what went on here?

Basically what Celever said, em hadn't unvoted and I pointed that out. Then his post made me realize I shouldn't have done that because some people could imply that I was confirming em's role (which I wasn't, or at least didn't mean to) so I edited both my post and his to be fair.

 

[Camoclone]

I don't consider that AtE, it was just a request. :v

Ok. Then you will be lynched.

 

[Celever]

Ok. Then you will be lynched.

Good to know.

 

[Camoclone]

Let's look at what happened yesterday. EM was basically confo town. Celever freaked and tried to push a turbo on a CONFO-town. Any questions? This is really quite a simple situation.

 

[Celever]

Let's look at what happened yesterday. EM was basically confo town. Celever freaked and tried to push a turbo on a CONFO-town. Any questions? This is really quite a simple situation.

PMJ instigated the turbo. Check your facts <3

 

[Camoclone]

##RevengeWelcome: King Xerneas

Hello, everyone. I'm a bit late to this party, but I'm glad to be here. Unfortunately I have no idea what's going on because my Fire Emblem knowledge is basically "hey I know that guy from smash bros" and that is it. I see in my role PM that I have weird stuff like HP that I have never seen before so I'm gonna check out the OP to see what's going on and then holy christ 56 pages does anyone want to give me the abridged version of what's happened so far?

inb4 I subbed in for someone about to be lynched

There's a Lie Detector in this setup? Are you kidding me? Are they confirmed or not because if they are then this game just got 100% lamer.

I'm going out on a limb here but I think Celever is town. Every game Celever and I are in, we both end up getting into a huge argument calling each other out on things we find scummy, and then we both end up flipping town. It's happened 100% of the time and I'm going to believe him this time, gambler's fallacy be damned.

I've read most of day three. It appeared that Vom mod-confirmed E_m's role? http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thr...rth-day-3-is-here.127738/page-59#post-2777644

I don't want to sift through 59 pages to try and find E_m's claim, if it exists, so I appeal to you all on this one

I also believe fairly strongly in Lynch All Liars, if you are caught in a lie you had better have an A+ reason for doing so that paid off in a big way or you should be policy lynched.

With all that said, I'm super paranoid about safe claims so I think p much everything is a safe claim unless it's confirmed

You miss the point. Even if it is a safe claim and his real role is an archer, Vom still confirmed that that is the case.



I'll look into it

Found it~



I don't understand why you would need to gain credibility for attacking someone. It's not like anyone is going to refute you if you say you did it. (As an aside, attacking other players isn't necessarily anti-town since scum players have HP too. It's wifom to assume a character is scum because they attacked someone)

You had good intentions but you went about it the complete wrong way. As others have already pointed out, Celever would have had no way of knowing who attacked him and has nothing to lose by lying about being attacked, so I don't get how you were reasonably expecting him to lie about it.

I have seen that you are soft cleared so I checked around to find out how. I found no claim, just that you got some messages and then Ice Espeon came forward and claimed Lissa.

And everyone accepted this at face value? Come on now. This is clearly a scum gambit; both Chrom and Lissa are safe claims, and both you and Ice Espeon are scum.

##VOTE: Empoleon_master

I'm going to admit I kinda skimmed over the posts where Celever was talking about the discrepancies in your role because I do not understand this game (that is, Fire Emblem) at all. That, and your poorly executed gambit, is reason enough to policy lynch you. Lynching you is also highly beneficial because if you are actually Chrom, we will have another clear, and if you're not, well, IE can kiss his ass goodbye.

Votes please.

@bbninjas- How is it logical that you are still alive? Why should the scum team fully believe when you said it is only one time use? seems odd to me.

There was a game where the scum were making what I thought were the stupidest plays on the planet. Their kills made no sense to me and were not at all who I was predicting they would kill. After the game was over I read in the scum chat that they were just picking randos to nk because everyone's reads on who the scum were were dead wrong.

It's because of that that I've tried to stop putting too much stock in who was or wasn't killed during the night. The odds of your reasons matching the scum's reasons are pretty low.[/QUOTE]

And that's what I get for not utilizing preview post.

Is this a Fire Emblem thing? I'm completely lost.

Oh.

Well all right then.

Don't think you're off the hook E_m, I'm coming for you day 4.

##UNVOTE: Empoleon_master
##VOTE: Reinforce

Last-minute attempt at getting inno cred. I will look into your posts more.

If bbninjas, who is confirmed town, is confirming Reinforce's results, then Reinforce probably isn't lying. I know at least one time a game someone will get lynched over something the hosts did (or didn't do) so I would much rather put stock in the actual results over something in the flavor being slightly off.

Based on the fact that no one is asking for Camoclone's head, I'm going to assume that whoever he is is also town (unless it's a safe claim).

If it was just Camoclone's results then I would call this a scum play but bbninjas confirming gives Reinforce credit WHICH MEANS

##UNVOTE: Reinforce
##VOTE: Empoleon_master

Votes please <3

In a game like this, where canon characters match their canon alignment, a role cop is basically a full seer anyway...



...but I'll concede this point. It's definitely possible. Is there anything, flavor wise, that would explain it? Like is there a difference between abilities and skills?



Is it confirmed that each scum team has three players on it? Re the rest of this I'll just take your word for it.



Has anyone called for bbninjas to be lynched? You would think that after nailing scum, he would be immediately revenge killed, and suspicion would be brought to him when he survived the night, but I never want to assume what the scum team is thinking. It's all wifom. I haven't heard of anyone making the sort of plays I have when I am scum (bussing my teammate D1, claiming sk AND GOING ON TO WIN WOOOO \o/).

My reasoning for bbninjas being confirmed is based on flavor. In this game, it works. There are two scum teams, yes, but I don't think Reinforce would have gotten a safe claim for his results (or else his ability (and Robin's skill) would be worthless).

I really want to hear what Camoclone has to say.

Empoleon_master flipping town will either clear or condemn Ice Espeon, so it's not uninformative at all.

If Reinforce is town, why isn't he dead? There's dumb kills and then there's leaving a confirmed lynchproof seer alive kind of dumb kills.

I'm glad to see that King Xerneas is town. His posts read fairly towny to me so it's good to see that my results are in line with his alignment.

Why are we lynching scattered mind?

What posts look scummy to you? I just looked over his real quick and I don't see anything that looks out of the ordinary.

I'll be back later. I just worked a surprise 8-hour shift after being up all day thinking I didn't have to ._.

All of @PMJ posts. Please tell me exactly where he instigates the turbo.

 

[Camoclone]

PMJ instigated the turbo. Check your facts <3

Everyone please reread yesterday to see how wrong this truly is.

 

[Celever]

Here.

 

[Celever]

^^^^^ In response to vvvvvvv

All of @PMJ posts. Please tell me exactly where he instigates the turbo.

 

[Camoclone]

@Celever explain to me how he is instigating a turbo especially when that was nowhere near when EM claimed his ability.

 

[Camoclone]

Oh wait. It doesn't at all. Silly me!

 

[Celever]

@Celever explain to me how he is instigating a turbo especially when that was nowhere near when EM claimed his ability.

He didn't instigate the turbo portion of the lynch, he instead instigated the lynch itself.

Me asking for a turbo was nothing more than self-preservation. OK, maybe it was on a soft-townie, but it was somewhere between a turbo policy lynch and for several people (such as @Professor Palutena who stated this several times in-thread) actual doubt as to his alignment. Self-preservation is affiliation neutral under all circumstances, and a policy lynch on a player to the degree of EM is actually positive to the town.

I mean, yesterday you actually said that EM was playing so badly the mods were gonna have to modkill him soon. What would help us more: EM kills me and then gets killed by hosts, or we kill EM and I survive? The answer will depend on your read of me. If you're dead cert on me being scum, then fine, EM killing me would have been kinda nice. Most people aren't, and as your case relies only on evidence relies on the assumption that I am scum, it has no legs to stand on.

 

[Camoclone]

PMJ instigated the turbo. Check your facts <3

You just said PMJ instigated the turbo. You are lying.

 

[Celever]

You just said PMJ instigated the turbo. You are lying.

lol.