Not telling us what happened is anti-town. I can change my mind if you give a reasonable explanation.
@the announcer; I also thought "Camo" immediately, but the announcement on the night before does not feel very much like Camo.
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@the announcer; I also thought "Camo" immediately, but the announcement on the night before does not feel very much like Camo.
tbh I could see anything sounding like Camo. I could definitely see him using poor S/G and smilies seem like a different player.
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Red = Valmese Empire
Blue = Plegian Kingdom
Green = Shepherds
Light Green = Basically Confo-Town
Pink = Basically Scum
Theoretically if Reinforce really is Naga, wouldn't the God of the Awakening universe basically be lynch-proof? So far that's the only reason besides someone's ability and/or item kept them safe.
Looking at the vote count above, it is curious to see that just like in the case of Double_o, The Healer's votes are also less helpful since they never seem to be on a player at the end of the day.
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Reinforce, what are your skills?
And, maybe (if Reinforce is Grima), he got ressurected or something. Or he can't be lynched while the rest if the grimleal are alive.
Celever was partly correct yesterday in that I didn't give out my whole role. Here you go:
Short and to the point, right?
But as a Divine Dragon and a being worshipped as a god, I suppose you get some nice perks like this. It's a fair compensation for no re-class, I guess.
Furthermore, if you've been reading the lynch update, the lynch is done by handing the lynched player the Fire Emblem. According to what I read, Naga is the one who created the Fire Emblem. I don't know if it works like this in the games since I've never played it, but in the fantasy genre, usually, creating something gives you protection/immunity from that thing. I guess it's not far of a stretch to imagine Naga in that scenario?
If it was another ability/item, especially one that I didn't know about, then I'd be stupid/bold to proclaim myself lynchproof, because I'd easily be outed as a liar otherwise.
Why did I hide this? Recall that at the point that I could finally post, the votes have already piled up on me and everyone's minds had already been set. No amount of posts of "defense" would have changed minds, so I instead let my role and abilities "do the talking". Revealing that I was lynchproof before it could be confirmed would just paint me yesterday as desperate. That's why I let it be proven first. And there you have it. If you don't believe it, well... at least you don't need to ask proof from me now so I've done my part there. All that's left is the decision on your side.
You are Naga, the Divine Dragon. You are the leader of the Divine Dragon tribe, but due to your generosity toward humanity, are often hailed as a god. You’ve been awakened by the Shepherds, and have chosen to aid them in their fight against Grima. The one with a passion for helping others.
Ability: God of Ylisse
You bestowed your power on the first Exalt of Ylisse in order to defeat Grima and this, along with your benevolence, has made the people of Ylisse worship you as their god. And thus, you cannot be lynched.
Class: Divine Dragon
Skill: Divine Intervention
Once per Night, you may PM me a player name. You will learn their role name.
Current Health: 110/110
Re-Classing:
Win Condition: Eliminate all non town-aligned players.
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Short and to the point, right?
But as a Divine Dragon and a being worshipped as a god, I suppose you get some nice perks like this. It's a fair compensation for no re-class, I guess.
Furthermore, if you've been reading the lynch update, the lynch is done by handing the lynched player the Fire Emblem. According to what I read, Naga is the one who created the Fire Emblem. I don't know if it works like this in the games since I've never played it, but in the fantasy genre, usually, creating something gives you protection/immunity from that thing. I guess it's not far of a stretch to imagine Naga in that scenario?
If it was another ability/item, especially one that I didn't know about, then I'd be stupid/bold to proclaim myself lynchproof, because I'd easily be outed as a liar otherwise.
Why did I hide this? Recall that at the point that I could finally post, the votes have already piled up on me and everyone's minds had already been set. No amount of posts of "defense" would have changed minds, so I instead let my role and abilities "do the talking". Revealing that I was lynchproof before it could be confirmed would just paint me yesterday as desperate. That's why I let it be proven first. And there you have it. If you don't believe it, well... at least you don't need to ask proof from me now so I've done my part there. All that's left is the decision on your side.
Reinforce claimed no skills.
This is the issue and why people will want to vote for you today. Neglecting to tell the town that you were lynchproof as well as neglecting to mention why you have no skills is both very anti-town and caused a lot of assumptions and confusions throughout the later part of the day. I also don't see why you, as a townie, are really huge on proving yourself. It's as if you getting lynched would be highly detrimental to your faction.
@Reinforce, what did you learn from your skill last Night?
Why? Were you going to change your mind about not lynching me if I had explained and posted all of that? I'm pretty sure you guys would have called it a bluff. Even now that it has activated, you still don't believe it so, what would you think would have assured me that you would have? Talking to people with closed minds is akin to talking to a brick wall. Besides, no matter how much you believe or not if I explained it yesterday, you would have fallen back on the explanation that "hey mordacazir has a tracker/watcher result on you so there's still a reason to lynch you". Right? In doing that, you would basically ignore everything that I had said then because you believed mordacazir more than me. I thought that today you'd be more open to actually considering my role after I survived yesterday, but eh, looks like you're not budging.
Oh, but isn't the "case" on me based on assumption as well? The tracker/watcher result from morda didn't state that I killed GM Draclord in its exact terms. Targeting (or attempting to target) does not automatically mean that I killed him, but you guys assumed that I did anyway. Am I wrong?
And uh, why shouldn't I prove my role/myself? Am I supposed to just sit back and accept you calling me scum? I suppose that would be nice to save us the trouble of having these discussions, but nope, considering I'm not one. And of course, I need to prove my role. There are safe claims in this game. A role isn't genuine until it can be proven, and that's what I did. I sure have it hard though, considering all morda did was post his result while I have to go through hoops and survive death to prove mine.
Oh yes, I got results last night.
@Reinforce, why did you choose to check King Xerneas?
I keep a checklist of the players, noting who have died/role flipped, who I have seered, and who I haven't seered yet but had given hints of their role name on the thread (e.g. ability/skill results in mordacazir's case)
King Xerneas is one of those I have almost 0 notes about. His posts have been short and few and scattered, and he called to hammer me, so I thought that could possibly be an act of scum hurrying to end the Day. Among those who I have almost 0 notes about AND have short and few and scattered posts, he was the most fairly active (that list includes Luispipe8, Cypher333, Vracken) so I chose him first.
King Xerneas is one of those I have almost 0 notes about. His posts have been short and few and scattered, and he called to hammer me, so I thought that could possibly be an act of scum hurrying to end the Day. Among those who I have almost 0 notes about AND have short and few and scattered posts, he was the most fairly active (that list includes Luispipe8, Cypher333, Vracken) so I chose him first.
Not necessarily, I'm actually looking for your response to this.
Look, you're getting very defensive/AtE-y, and making assumptions that I'm closed-minded/not going to budge. Notice how I have not voted you. I'm sussing things out.
No, you're not, but it is certainly some very good evidence considering the low amount there was yesterday.
No, you are/were coming across as very adamant about proving it, which is odd. Like, you're working extra hard or something. That's generally a scummier thing.
(I'm breaking up this post and my longer, analytical post that should come soon below.)
The "you" being referred to in that paragraph tends to switch from pertaining to you to being directed in general to yesterday's wagon; the slight in me lingering from not being given the benefit of the doubt yesterday and instead just straight up lynched. I suppose I should have clearly split off the paragraph instead. And all right, I'll corral my posts to not have that tone then as I see now that you do want to discuss with me.
True. Not that there had been much chance to or an initiative to look at anyone else yesterday aside from me. The E_M issue was an anomaly and was resolved in an outside-the-game context. What happened yesterday was: After mordacazir's post, I got votes piled on me, then I posted my role, then there was the argument of whether I am truly scum (which wasn't that long), then E_M stirred up some chaos, then he got modkilled, then I got hammered. Today, I hope there is a chance to look at alternative evidence with everyone seemingly calm (for now, anyway; others haven't posted yet).
If it seems that way, it's because there's really nothing else to emphasize about when being accused, is there? And do I seem like I'm working extra hard, really? Maybe it's the game I'm playing rubbing off on me when I post here in between pauses (man, this boss is tough).
Anyways, I *really* want to sit back and say that Reinforce is likely town and the three players they've checked are also town roles. That'll give us bbninjas, Camo and King X as confo-town. Then we have IE as confo. I'd also add Reinforce to the soft-town list for the moment.
If I plonk everyone into list of town/neutral/scum reads then I'd have this:
Town (confo):
Camo
King X
Ice Espeon
Me!
Town (Scumhunting/Role-Helpful Town)
Reinforce
Celever
Professor P
TGK
Neutral (helpful):
scattered
morda
PMJ
Neutral/Scummy (seem to be unnoticeable):
Jabber
Vracken
Luis
quaking
Considering there was likely 6 scum to begin with and maybe an indie, I think it's likely that 5 or 6 of the players floating around is scum. I'd also say that about two from each of the Neutral categories and maybe one from the town category are town.
If I plonk everyone into list of town/neutral/scum reads then I'd have this:
Town (confo):
Camo
King X
Ice Espeon
Me!
Town (Scumhunting/Role-Helpful Town)
Reinforce
Celever
Professor P
TGK
Neutral (helpful):
scattered
morda
PMJ
Neutral/Scummy (seem to be unnoticeable):
Jabber
Vracken
Luis
quaking
Considering there was likely 6 scum to begin with and maybe an indie, I think it's likely that 5 or 6 of the players floating around is scum. I'd also say that about two from each of the Neutral categories and maybe one from the town category are town.
I also now really regret not trying to understand the portal/drive thing. I'm trying to figure it out right now. This is the evidence that we got:
Morda was redirected from Camoclone to GM Draclord.
GM Draclord redirected two of Celever, Empoleon_Master and Camoclone to each other.
Reinforce was redirected from GM Draclord to Camoclone.
Reinforce "went close to" GM Draclord.
No one has claimed using a Portal nor using another form of redirection.
Looking at that, I don't actually think who GM Drac redirected actually effects the situation between the other redirections at all. I find it interesting to note that the player that targeted Camo was redirected to GM Drac and vice versa. There are three situations that I can think of:
Scenario 1: Someone used a Portal on Reinforce and redirected him to Camoclone. Similarly, someone used a portal on Morda and redirected him to GM Draclord. This scenario seems unlikely as surely at least one player would claim using a Portal, although potentially this was coordinated by a scum team.
Scenario 2: Someone used a drive that swapped the targets of all players acting on Camoclone and GM Draclord. However, this scenario also seems unlikely, as technically GM Drac should have targeted himself, but it is still plausible, albiet less than Scenario 1.
Scenario 3: Someone used a drive that swapped the targets of Reinforce and Morda, meaning Reinforce targets Morda's original target and vice versa (i.e. the opposite of GM Drac's Ability). I think this is most likely and is likely a scum's Ability, as they haven't claimed the action in thread like a townie should.
I'm not too sure what information that gives in regards to scum hunting at the moment, but it would be nice to figure out in the future.
Morda was redirected from Camoclone to GM Draclord.
GM Draclord redirected two of Celever, Empoleon_Master and Camoclone to each other.
Reinforce was redirected from GM Draclord to Camoclone.
Reinforce "went close to" GM Draclord.
No one has claimed using a Portal nor using another form of redirection.
Looking at that, I don't actually think who GM Drac redirected actually effects the situation between the other redirections at all. I find it interesting to note that the player that targeted Camo was redirected to GM Drac and vice versa. There are three situations that I can think of:
Scenario 1: Someone used a Portal on Reinforce and redirected him to Camoclone. Similarly, someone used a portal on Morda and redirected him to GM Draclord. This scenario seems unlikely as surely at least one player would claim using a Portal, although potentially this was coordinated by a scum team.
Scenario 2: Someone used a drive that swapped the targets of all players acting on Camoclone and GM Draclord. However, this scenario also seems unlikely, as technically GM Drac should have targeted himself, but it is still plausible, albiet less than Scenario 1.
Scenario 3: Someone used a drive that swapped the targets of Reinforce and Morda, meaning Reinforce targets Morda's original target and vice versa (i.e. the opposite of GM Drac's Ability). I think this is most likely and is likely a scum's Ability, as they haven't claimed the action in thread like a townie should.
I'm not too sure what information that gives in regards to scum hunting at the moment, but it would be nice to figure out in the future.
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