Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

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Also GM Draclord feels like an odd kill *especially* after what Camo pointed out about them being unreadable.

Also, from simsands roleflip, it looks like there are two teams (inno and presumable the other mafia team?).
 
##VOTE: Celever That's not a defence.
No, it's not. There's nothing to defend against. My reads were wrong, shoot me. :p

I've got one major thing in my mind rn which is bothering me. If EM is Chrom, he would start in the Lord class. EM attacked me on Night 1. To get from Lord to Sniper, which has the Bowfaire skill and is therefore EM's only way of attacking (right?) it takes two cycles, since you can only reclass once per cycle. So how did EM attack me on Night 1? It's really been getting on my nerves, because I don't know if this makes him scum necessarily, but it's a huge hole.
 
Also GM Draclord feels like an odd kill *especially* after what Camo pointed out about them being unreadable.

Also, from simsands roleflip, it looks like there are two teams (inno and presumable the other mafia team?).
It's well established that there are two scumteams.

You BROUGHT UP that there are two scumteams in response to me yesterday.

Why are you dumbtelling? ##UNVOTE VOTE: bbninjas
 
I know why drac was nked simands told me this via QT
No, it's not. There's nothing to defend against. My reads were wrong, shoot me. :p

I've got one major thing in my mind rn which is bothering me. If EM is Chrom, he would start in the Lord class. EM attacked me on Night 1. To get from Lord to Sniper, which has the Bowfaire skill and is therefore EM's only way of attacking (right?) it takes two cycles, since you can only reclass once per cycle. So how did EM attack me on Night 1? It's really been getting on my nerves, because I don't know if this makes him scum necessarily, but it's a huge hole.
Ummm no, here's the proof of it.
I use my first second seal.
What do you want to reclass to?
 
I know why drac was nked simands told me this via QT

Ummm no, here's the proof of it.
Note that that was supposed to be two separate posts I was working on, the thing with GM I was working on, however I had to reply to celever about the reclass thing. BTW I DID start out as the lord class and wait, how the hell did you know which classes I had? I call scum investigator on your targets.
 
BTW I DID start out as the lord class and wait, how the hell did you know which classes I had? I call scum investigator on your targets.
You said you were Chrom. It's not that hard to go to the Wiki and search up what Chrom can reclass to if you don't know already. Since you have to use Chrom in Awakening, chances are anyone who's played the game will know Chrom's reclass options.
 
Note that that was supposed to be two separate posts I was working on, the thing with GM I was working on, however I had to reply to celever about the reclass thing. BTW I DID start out as the lord class and wait, how the hell did you know which classes I had? I call scum investigator on your targets.
My point still stands though; I'd really like an explanation. If that was your first second seal like you said, it is impossible for you to have been attacking me, which you admitted to yesterday.
 
This is why GM was targeted. this is from the QT.

Simsands
02-15-2016
06:50 AM ET (US)
GM is annoyingly persistent. He's started a QT like this with me and keeps on trying to make me reveal a bunch of information. I'm not sure if he feels too towny... We should probably keep an eye out for him.

Simsands
02-16-2016
07:11 AM ET (US)
In case I'm killed, GM told me a little while ago;

"I'm Robin"

Robin seems like a very good safe claim for Grima or Validar. Since he included the quotation marks, maybe he's hinting at that, thinking I'm about to be killed?

My thoughts after the end of D2 were that GM was trying to convince me that GM was town, and thus not part of his scum team. However I do remember this post of his in the QT.
He's started a QT like this with me and keeps on trying to make me reveal a bunch of information. I'm not sure if he feels too towny... We should probably keep an eye out for him.

Which as he was in scum team 2 (to now be abbreviated "scum2") would mean he was trying to convince me to possibly somehow get GM misslynched.


The fact that GM told him he was robin and would thus have certain abilities, as I was thinking him typing something like "##elfire" like someone did earlier on would have been the activation of an ability.

So anyway we now have to look into whoever defended simandis that was not me as they are likely scum2 and while they are not a priority right now, should be noted for future reference.
 
Also GM Draclord feels like an odd kill *especially* after what Camo pointed out about them being unreadable.

Also, from simsands roleflip, it looks like there are two teams (inno and presumable the other mafia team?).

Hmm... Do you think there could be a connection, then? Also there are two scum teams, it says so in the OP.

I know why drac was nked simands told me this via QT

Actually, if it's possible, maybe you could show us more of simsands' QT posts? Now we know he was scum, he might have slipped up in his posts that could possibly hint at who his scumbuddies are or what abilities he's aware of. And his reads he didn't post on the thread could maybe help us look for members of the 2nd scum team too.
 
My point still stands though; I'd really like an explanation. If that was your first second seal like you said, it is impossible for you to have been attacking me, which you admitted to yesterday.
I still attacked you last night, however the action of attacking does not count as item usage, right @Vom?
BTW celever, I have to ask, how much did this hurt you last night?

Wyrmslayer: Deals 20 damage, 40 damage if attacking a Wyvern or a Manakete.
 
I still attacked you last night, however the action of attacking does not count as item usage, right @Vom?
BTW celever, I have to ask, how much did this hurt you last night?

Wyrmslayer: Deals 20 damage, 40 damage if attacking a Wyvern or a Manakete.
Good role fish! :D

What skill is permitting you to do that and where did you get it from?
 
No, it's not. There's nothing to defend against. My reads were wrong, shoot me. :p
You were majorly defending a player that ended up scanning scum under a lie detector who also flipped scum. That's a lot of doubt. Responding with "in hindsight..." implies that now you look back it all makes sense, but why didn't it make sense before? Backing that up further with "my reads were wrong, shoot me" is an odd response to defending for a scanned player.

It's well established that there are two scumteams.

You BROUGHT UP that there are two scumteams in response to me yesterday.

Why are you dumbtelling? ##UNVOTE VOTE: bbninjas
I was under the impression they were the same team but communication is cut off into two groups (so in a mafia group of 6; 3 players in two seperate QTs).
 
I still attacked you last night, however the action of attacking does not count as item usage, right @Vom?
BTW celever, I have to ask, how much did this hurt you last night?

Wyrmslayer: Deals 20 damage, 40 damage if attacking a Wyvern or a Manakete.
You just claimed that you were an archer.

Archers can't use swords.
 
You just claimed that you were an archer.

Archers can't use swords.
Reclassing happens at the end of the night. He's claiming to have used a sword on me, which is impossible given his claimed classes.

He also claimed that archers have Charm, which is actually a Lord skill. This means that he does have access to Lord skills. This would be necessary if he was scum with a Chrom safeclaim. Apparently it wasn't just a c/p job from his Role PM when he reclassed into Archer, though, as it would be impossible to mess up such a simple task otherwise.
 
-snip simsands quotes-
Wow, there is quite a bit subtle manipulation in those quotes. Be careful to not let that affect your judgement.

Hmm... Do you think there could be a connection, then? Also there are two scum teams, it says so in the OP.
I originally thought there was a connection (i.e. same team but split off) but I think its different teams on simsand's flip.

What skill is permitting you to do that and where did you get it from?
I feel like saying this is a dumbtell (isn't the item from the chest and the ability to attack part of your class?) but I can see why you would ask this considering what TGK pointed out.

You just claimed that you were an archer.

Archers can't use swords.
I think I know why, but am curious of EM's response. Wait a second, @Celever, what has EM claimed for his reclass each night?
 
Hmm... Do you think there could be a connection, then? Also there are two scum teams, it says so in the OP.



Actually, if it's possible, maybe you could show us more of simsands' QT posts? Now we know he was scum, he might have slipped up in his posts that could possibly hint at who his scumbuddies are or what abilities he's aware of. And his reads he didn't post on the thread could maybe help us look for members of the 2nd scum team too.
Read the following from the bottom upwards.
Empoleon_master
02-17-2016
07:40 PM ET (US)
Anything new from gm? Ask him what that ##fire attack did.
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Simsands
02-17-2016
07:40 AM ET (US)
If you're talking about what you mentioned earlier, that my reclassing didn't add up with what I had told you, I already explained that;

N0, I reclassed to Wyvern Rider. D1, the ability didn't activate, because it required being active during the previous night. N1, I invited you to the QT and told you that about my class. D2, Tantivy activated (which in turn means that whoever targeted me during the night is scum, if any).

Or are you talking about something else?
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Simsands
02-17-2016
04:41 AM ET (US)
I really don't get what you mean with abilities not matching up with the times. What do you mean?
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Empoleon_master
02-17-2016
04:37 AM ET (US)
Honestly you have a very good point, however the abilities not matching up with the times and the evidence against you is not good. If you truly flip town I will make sure that the evidence falsifiers get killed one way or another.
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Simsands
02-17-2016
02:09 AM ET (US)
z.z So we're going for the one who still has a useable ability?
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Empoleon_master
02-17-2016
01:43 AM ET (US)
I am sorry but the evidence is stacked against you and should you be innocent I know it sucks and I will make sure bbninjas does not get away with this if this is the case.
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Simsands
02-17-2016
12:21 AM ET (US)
I'm not...
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Empoleon_master
02-16-2016
11:00 PM ET (US)
Tell me now are you at least indie? Btw I'll still help you either way.
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Empoleon_master
02-16-2016
08:14 PM ET (US)
Damnit Celever didn't fall for my trap and say that he was NOT hit, because then I could have nailed him with the fact that I attacked him.
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Empoleon_master
02-16-2016
07:15 PM ET (US)
But that takes too long and makes life boring. :p
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Simsands
02-16-2016
05:50 PM ET (US)
It's hard to follow and sometimes leads to misunderstandings. Just look at last game, I'm not sure what would have happened if I didn't realize that you were referring to dos instead of SS... You probably need to calm down and think through your posts a bit more, ask yourself how someone other than yourself would read the post.
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Empoleon_master
02-16-2016
05:29 PM ET (US)
Something I just realized, I am likely now entering the phase of me playing ww where I go crazy suspecting everyone.
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Empoleon_master
02-16-2016
05:24 PM ET (US)
I am sorry, also there would logically be no point in stating the other information as it could only be relayed to the team you are potentially on. Also what do you think of my non existant play style?
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Simsands
02-16-2016
05:06 PM ET (US)
I suppose that's understandable x.x
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Empoleon_master
02-16-2016
05:04 PM ET (US)
Please post that in the thread. And because I unfortuneately still suspect you a bit I cannot say more.
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Simsands
02-16-2016
05:03 PM ET (US)
Alright. For the record, I haven't been attacked.
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Empoleon_master
02-16-2016
04:58 PM ET (US)
I have a good plan and trust me, I do know what I'm doing, mostly. But really I do have a plan.
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Simsands
02-16-2016
04:56 PM ET (US)
So, unless you have a good plan...
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Simsands
02-16-2016
04:52 PM ET (US)
I don't know what your plan is to have people claim who's been attacked, but if the scum knows who has lower HP, they will know who is weaker and possibly susceptible to an extra kill. This is a good thing to keep low profile, might be worth considering before having everyone claim it.
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Simsands
02-16-2016
07:11 AM ET (US)
In case I'm killed, GM told me a little while ago;

"I'm Robin"

Robin seems like a very good safe claim for Grima or Validar. Since he included the quotation marks, maybe he's hinting at that, thinking I'm about to be killed?
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Simsands
02-16-2016
03:00 AM ET (US)
Are they seriously gonna do this? >.>

All they need to do is get rid of bb, who for that matter is out of actions, and I'll be cleared..
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Simsands
02-15-2016
06:50 AM ET (US)
GM is annoyingly persistent. He's started a QT like this with me and keeps on trying to make me reveal a bunch of information. I'm not sure if he feels too towny... We should probably keep an eye out for him.
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Simsands
02-15-2016
02:05 AM ET (US)
Sounds like a good idea.
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Empoleon_master
02-14-2016
11:48 PM ET (US)
I have now anncounced that the seed of trust item exists. Also insert important thing I wanted to tell you here that I forgot because I am super tired.
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Empoleon_master
02-14-2016
07:25 PM ET (US)
Oh damn camo is baaaaack, don't defend me too quickly or people will think something is up. Also I think I should mention that I'm in a QT with someone via an item so that should confo town players get more seeds of trust they can start one with me and then I can relay the message to you, so that no matter what happens even to two of us, the last one can post the message to town chat.
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Empoleon_master
02-14-2016
06:08 PM ET (US)
Celever is scum 100% however if you get a weapon and I can convince just one other person to inevitably attack him instead of lynching him we will have killed another ww if we lynch one properly, today.
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Simsands
02-14-2016
05:42 PM ET (US)
Celever thinking morda is Stahl could possibly mean that he is scum, but I'm not sure how to formulate the theory, and it is assuming too many things at this point. It could also possibly mean that Celever is Sully. Or that it's his safe claim. At this point I think scum2 might have been trying to work with me to figure out scum1, which makes things REALLY interesting and popcorny.
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Empoleon_master
02-14-2016
11:16 AM ET (US)
I'll of course have to *snip*
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Empoleon_master
02-14-2016
11:11 AM ET (US)
Honestly if they come back and start a wagon on an innocent player, aka you or ie and no one catches on I will do it.
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Simsands
02-14-2016
10:49 AM ET (US)
Lets hope we're not forced to do that.
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Empoleon_master
02-14-2016
09:32 AM ET (US)
If I have to *snip master three thousand*
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Empoleon_master
02-14-2016
08:59 AM ET (US)
After I get a few more players to lynch camo vote for him, he's as scummy as I am good at playing this game. Also methinks jabber could be scum/indie buddies with tgk as he claims to have gotten a second seal from him. Suspect them, do not vote for them for now. The real concerns are camo and celever.
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Simsands
02-14-2016
05:39 AM ET (US)
It looks like my skill activated. If someone claims to have targeted me last night, we'll know they're scum. AKA we'll know they're town or scum1
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Simsands
02-13-2016
08:47 AM ET (US)
We'll see how things turn out, but yeah, right now TGK is a better lynch. Another slight clearing of tgk
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Empoleon_master
02-13-2016
08:40 AM ET (US)
Don't try to vote celever off the island, I'll either kill him via damage or convince town to kill him via damage with me.
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Simsands
02-11-2016
05:04 AM ET (US)
..That's pretty much the entire scum team from last game, so they're probably not all scum...
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Simsands
02-11-2016
04:59 AM ET (US)
Oh yeah, there was the morda backpedal, too. Another possible clearing of scum2, again could still be scum1
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Simsands
02-11-2016
03:55 AM ET (US)
As I said, Celever is somewhat suspicious. I was townreading bbninjas, but that sudden jump to SS's wagon was very suspicious. Other than that, no one has really been standing out much.
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Empoleon_master
02-11-2016
03:44 AM ET (US)
Asides from tgk who do you suspect?
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Simsands
02-11-2016
03:28 AM ET (US)
Well, there are a couple suspicious people, and we have an entire day to figure out more info.
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Empoleon_master
02-11-2016
03:02 AM ET (US)
I always go full Death Note and think of a conspiracy that ends up hurting everyone....somehow. The game I am scum is the game everyone dies horribly and scum wins.
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Empoleon_master
02-11-2016
03:01 AM ET (US)
Item that allows me to *snip*
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Simsands
02-11-2016
01:45 AM ET (US)
A shield that protects me from bonus damage. How about you?
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Empoleon_master
02-10-2016
06:48 PM ET (US)
Ohh good point. What's your other item that you got?
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Simsands
02-10-2016
05:30 PM ET (US)
Tbh, I really don't think anyone will believe that. Having all the founding members of the town faction be part of the scum team sounds completely ridiculous, even as safe claims. I can't ever see that happening.
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Empoleon_master
02-10-2016
10:31 AM ET (US)
Ohh, maybe, I don't want it to seem like I'm slowly introducing scum buddies into my circle of friends under soft claims. Also oh, I will still be attacking his behind then WITHOUT MERCY! So that way if celever does end up scum we will still have a hit or two on him as a head start....and we can normal lynch tgk, WE MUST STOP THE PICHU APOCALYPSE!
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Simsands
02-10-2016
10:01 AM ET (US)
Oh, an idea! Say that you've discovered the identity of Frederick, but that you don't want to reveal anything more right now.
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Simsands
02-10-2016
09:21 AM ET (US)
I am currently more suspicious of TGK. He was acting really scummy during the day, was very quick to jump on the SS wagon and the only posts of "relevance" he made was him saying that we should lynch Squirtle, while ignoring everyone suspicious of him. I think that atm this at least clears tgk of being scum2, maybe not scum 1 though

I will definitely be putting pressure on him tomorrow, but we should also have a look at Celever ASAP.
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Simsands
02-10-2016
02:26 AM ET (US)
I see, so a *snip*

I also thought that Celever was acting different than usual.. Though, I don't have any weapons, and we should probably have him put on trial. There's not enough evidence on him right now, though.
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Empoleon_master
02-10-2016
02:13 AM ET (US)
It's *snip* Also for the night attack, methinks celever might be scum. Wanna nk him with attacks?
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Simsands
02-10-2016
01:53 AM ET (US)
I got an item that let me start the QT with you :p

You should probably not mention anything, unless absolutely necessary. And if it is necessary, you should probably only say something like you can confirm it, or something... I at least don't want my ability revealed right now. This should have been the second clue

*snip*? That sounds new to me xP
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Empoleon_master
02-10-2016
01:43 AM ET (US)
Also hi, I have what's known as a *SNIPPED, BUT NOT LIKE A PUPPY*, I think, do not make me use it on you. :p

Also in the event that I survive to the next day how do I defend you should you bring about suspicion? I do note believe that stating you are with me would be a good idea as that would make me look like I have half of the scum team covered by soft claims, ie you, ice espeon, and me.
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Empoleon_master
02-10-2016
01:35 AM ET (US)
Wth how did this quick topic start are you hacking forum games hacker?!
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Simsands
02-10-2016
01:25 AM ET (US)
You are Frederick. Chrom's lieutenant, an Ylissean knight who is sincere to a fault. You tend to demand tremendous effort for seemingly trivial things, and preface such exercises with a grin. The fondest of starting fires.

Ability: Loyal Knight
You are a sworn knight of Ylisse and the bodyguard of Chrom and Lissa, a duty you take very seriously. You put away the weapons, polish them, you even take the rocks off the road and...let’s stop there, shall we? If Chrom or Lissa would be killed, there is a 50% chance that you will die instead.

Class: Cavalier

Skill: Discipline
Attacks against you deal 20 less damage.

Skill: Outdoor Fighter
Your vote weight is two.

Current Health: 80/80

Re-Classing:
Master Seal - Paladin
Second Seal - Knight, Wyvern Rider
Win Condition: Eliminate all non town-aligned players.


I've reclassed to Wyvern Rider:

Class: Wyvern Rider

Skill: Strength +2
Your Skills/Abilities are unaffected by any effects on you or your target.

Skill: Tantivy
If no Shepherds target you during the Night, your vote weight will be doubled during the upcoming Day. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A REALLY HUGE SIGN

Current Health: 80/80
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Simsands
02-10-2016
01:22 AM ET (US)
Hey hey :p
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Keeper
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02-10-2016
12:57 AM ET (US)
You two play nice. I'll be back to check on you later.
 
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