What about the Death Penalty?

Jails may fill up with criminals, but killing them off isn't the right way to go about solving that. After all, they are still human beings and still have human dignity. There are very few things they can do, if any, that can take that away, and regardless, we should still try to rehabilitate over kill them. Maybe just my opinion, but I think it makes sense. We need to find the real source of the lack of morality and strike there, not just kill those who disobey. Then the government gets in danger of ruling simply by sword, as they would only keep people in check by threatening them with pain and death, and that could lead to all kinds of nasty things.
 
Elite Stride said:
You've taken that slightly out of context. I'm speaking for myself, and comparing how my own personal mentality would be in the absence of the belief system I've chosen for myself. I was not implying or generalizing that atheists want to see people die, you don't have to believe a certain way to recognize the value of life.
Click to expand...

I know. :]

Elite Stride said:
You don't have to believe a certain way to recognize the value of life.
Click to expand...

^ Basically stating that with the atheism remark in my last comment. Showing how there are lots of different people with different viewpoints that do not like the death penalty.
 
Polaris said:
Jails may fill up with criminals, but killing them off isn't the right way to go about solving that. After all, they are still human beings and still have human dignity. There are very few things they can do, if any, that can take that away, and regardless, we should still try to rehabilitate over kill them. Maybe just my opinion, but I think it makes sense. We need to find the real source of the lack of morality and strike there, not just kill those who disobey. Then the government gets in danger of ruling simply by sword, as they would only keep people in check by threatening them with pain and death, and that could lead to all kinds of nasty things.
Click to expand...

When you kill someone or harm them... Something changes in a person. They are no longer the same. It is unnatural for a human to kill another human. Those who have killed before for enjoyment have the capability of doing it again and will suffer from some kind of depression or mental health issue.

It is next to impossible to rehabilitate those who have voluntarily killed another for pure enjoyment/satisfaction.

Also, pain is temporary. Threats of pain are nothing. Pain really does make you stronger. IMO again, I think our country would be better off with leading by intimidation and a strong hand.
 
Polaris said:
Jails may fill up with criminals, but killing them off isn't the right way to go about solving that. After all, they are still human beings and still have human dignity. There are very few things they can do, if any, that can take that away, and regardless, we should still try to rehabilitate over kill them. Maybe just my opinion, but I think it makes sense. We need to find the real source of the lack of morality and strike there, not just kill those who disobey. Then the government gets in danger of ruling simply by sword, as they would only keep people in check by threatening them with pain and death, and that could lead to all kinds of nasty things.
Click to expand...
...Human dignity? If someone commits a serious crime like murder, I'm sure the community wouldn't give a flying f*** about dignity.
The death penalty is a logical solution to a problem much bigger than itself. The more prisons we build, the more we put ourselves in the hole. If we want serious offenders to serve their debt to society, then we shouldn't be giving up money to make them do so.
 
You realize that death row costs the state more than life-long imprisonment? If we're talking money here, Polaris has the cheaper alternative.
 
The death penalty is simply society's messed up way of seeing justification through death. It costs more than life-long imprisonment, it causes the suspect less grief, and the only real pro is that some of us see a victory in removing someone from the face of the earth. I guess in a way the death penalty is justifiable depending on the severity of the crime, however I find more satisfaction knowing they spend the rest of their life worked and isolated from society as opposed to ending their life instantly. A life of pain has a better sense of justice as opposed to a few seconds of pain.
 
Very good reasoning unsheathed however it does cost a lot to keep someone locked up for years. I think most people tend to see as this...

1. Get someone off face of earth
2. Death, most humans fear it
3. It's a lot more cost effective to kill them then have them rot in prison for 50+ years....housing someone costs money..tax dollars.
4. Some sort of closure for victims or victim's family

I, however believe it all depends.....I'm not for the sake of just killing someone....
 
Ysmir said:
3. It's a lot more cost effective to kill them then have them rot in prison for 50+ years....housing someone costs money..tax dollars.
Click to expand...

Elite Stride said:
You realize that death row costs the state more than life-long imprisonment?
Click to expand...


Plus, I agree with TDL on the fact that if someone really wanted to 'get even' or however you want to phrase it, why not wish for them to be locked up and miserable for the rest of their lives rather than have a quick way out by dying? It's kind of a horrible thing to think about, but it's logical.
 
But people don't think logical when they hurt. They want the offender to hurt as badly as possible as soon as possible. But I get what you're saying...if it was me I'd have them thrown in an old dry well with no way to climb out.
 
Then again, I like my idea on how the Death Penalty should work:
A slow, terribly agonizing death. Let there be FIAR!!!!!derp.
 
Haunted Water said:
A slow, terribly agonizing death.
Click to expand...

Ew, no. Far too inhumane. Just look at what happened to William Kemmler.
 
Elite Stride said:
Why not wish for them to be locked up and miserable for the rest of their lives rather than have a quick way out by dying? It's kind of a horrible thing to think about, but it's logical.
Click to expand...

I hate this idea, too. I think prisons should have more recreational activities because solitary is worse than death.

This is just a crazy subject. After reading the article above, maybe prisoners with more serious offences should have the option of death row if they want.
 
Solitary is a good idea as well. Although, let's just designate some random island. That'll be the death penalty.
would love to say I'm totally trolling, but sadly, I'm only barely trolling.

@unsheathed: That's because Edison is a moron who didn't know a thing about electricity.
 
Thing is, you're no better than a killer if you kill him, right? A life in isolation, with your living space being confined by bars, sounds more terrible to me than being injected or shot or decapitated or electrocuted. Seriously, it's not even life.
 
Uh no. There is a difference of ridding the world of scum who commit heinous acts vs killing for pleasure.
 
Well prisons are filling up rather quickly, it's spending the public's money and a waste of government funds. I don't agree that 1000's of men and women in the Navy,Army and RAF should loose their job, because they are trying to save money. Priorities, are not in the right place. Christianity or religion has nothing to do with this, if you take a life you don't deserve to keep yours. Rather a lot of people, get out of prison early and don't get life for murder. I am saying this based on England. I've seen people put down for 14 years for murder ? I mean really. Not everyone rots in a prison, most are let out early and serve 15-30 years or are let out a few months before they die. Most prisons, aren't the worst place for someone to stay. Some American prisons are extreme which is good, but most in the UK give them benefits. They get things like TV's, Game consoles etc. The average funds Per person per day for food is higher in a prison than it is for Patients in Hospital or in the Armed forces.
 
HypnoticChairman said:
r3skyline said:
Uh no. There is a difference of ridding the world of scum who commit heinous acts vs killing for pleasure.
Click to expand...

Just pointing out that murder usually has a lot more motives than "pleasure"

Carry on.
Click to expand...
Simply put murder is pleasure. They are doing it for what? Satisfaction. A sense of pleasure.
 
HypnoticChairman said:
r3skyline said:
Uh no. There is a difference of ridding the world of scum who commit heinous acts vs killing for pleasure.
Click to expand...
Just pointing out that murder usually has a lot more motives than "pleasure"

Carry on.
Click to expand...
Agreed HC, people just base on the fact that what we read in the news all the time that people kill for pleasure. There are many different reasons for this problem. People might kill for this attention and revenge are most likely mentally insane. Or could be in troubled spots as a kid/young adult. Don't go and base off what you hear.

And what the people that fight and kill on a basis? They are doing it for the protection of another person, but should these people still be tried? No matter what you say, they are attacking other people and taking away lives, even if they are the enemy. I am completely against the thought, and it will be hard to understand why people kill and fight in wars in the first place.

But at least the convicts that are in jails and prisons are still living beings. Ending a life is a lot worse then isolating one. That said, I'm against execution. Its just inhumane.
 
You wouldn't believe what goes thru someone's mind when it comes to firing at another human....and you would never know the stories that I have heard from some friends.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top