What Do You Think Is the BDIF (Best Deck In Format)?

RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

You could say the same thing the other way.

For that reason, I don't think there is a defined BDIF. Blastoise is certainly Tier 1 and that's not even a debate. But Big Basic decks can surely keep it in check and that's why you see results mainly varied and spread out. There's no one deck that has good matchups across the board and that's how I define BDIF at least.

dmaster out.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

dmaster said:
You could say the same thing the other way.

For that reason, I don't think there is a defined BDIF.
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That's my point :p
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

Well, then.

Glad we could agree. :p

dmaster out.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

Klingklang is very very good. Its just not a heavily run deck. Blastoise is very good if you make the right list which I dont see alot of people doing. I dont think what won the most statistics are very good at all for deciding what is best. IMO its a slightly modified version of keldeo blastoise, but at the end of the day it all comes down to what list your running and how skilled you are as a player.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

I think that a good Blastoise list can beat White Tea quite easily. Also, I think that Darkrai has been winning less is because people are pairing it with Landorus or just running straight Darkrai. That is not going to work. The first option gets wrecked by Blastoise and the second gets wrecked by Landorus. I think the best way to run Darkrai is with Mewtwo, some Tornadus EX and Bouffalants. It has 2 solid attackers, a good attacker VS Landorus (Tornadus EX) and a good attacker VS Blastoise (Mewtwo EX). Despite the results of Cities, I think the 2 best decks are correctly built Blastoise and correctly built Darkrai decks. IMO Landorus has been winning more because Landorus was hyped a lot and is new, not to mention that it is very simple to play.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

Roronoa Zoro said:
I think that a good Blastoise list can beat White Tea quite easily. Also, I think that Darkrai has been winning less is because people are pairing it with Landorus or just running straight Darkrai. That is not going to work. The first option gets wrecked by Blastoise and the second gets wrecked by Landorus. I think the best way to run Darkrai is with Mewtwo, some Tornadus EX and Bouffalants. It has 2 solid attackers, a good attacker VS Landorus (Tornadus EX) and a good attacker VS Blastoise (Mewtwo EX). Despite the results of Cities, I think the 2 best decks are correctly built Blastoise and correctly built Darkrai decks. IMO Landorus has been winning more because Landorus was hyped a lot and is new, not to mention that it is very simple to play.
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Blastoise has been hyped a lot. Blastoise is new. Is that the reason Blastoise is winning? No. The reason Landorus is so good is speed. It can easily put 60 damage on your opponent's field T1 and can be paired with almost anything, meaning no matter what deck you put it in, you can cover your weaknesses.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

pokemonjoe said:
Roronoa Zoro said:
I think that a good Blastoise list can beat White Tea quite easily. Also, I think that Darkrai has been winning less is because people are pairing it with Landorus or just running straight Darkrai. That is not going to work. The first option gets wrecked by Blastoise and the second gets wrecked by Landorus. I think the best way to run Darkrai is with Mewtwo, some Tornadus EX and Bouffalants. It has 2 solid attackers, a good attacker VS Landorus (Tornadus EX) and a good attacker VS Blastoise (Mewtwo EX). Despite the results of Cities, I think the 2 best decks are correctly built Blastoise and correctly built Darkrai decks. IMO Landorus has been winning more because Landorus was hyped a lot and is new, not to mention that it is very simple to play.
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Blastoise has been hyped a lot. Blastoise is new. Is that the reason Blastoise is winning? No. The reason Landorus is so good is speed. It can easily put 60 damage on your opponent's field T1 and can be paired with almost anything, meaning no matter what deck you put it in, you can cover your weaknesses.
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I meant that it has been winning more than (atleast I) expected is because it is new and people are tired of the same Darkrai deal. I'm not saying that the reason it has been winning is only because it's new, of course it helps it winning, but the card is (very) good too. It has speed and can put a lot of pressure on your opponent early. It can also finish the game with his second attack. Now, I think that almost all decks with Landorus EX can become a bit straightforward, thus making it simple to play. And as you said, it can be paired with anything, so it's simple to make a deck with it. Well, sometimes simple is better.

Conclusion.
The card is very good, even though I think it wouldn't have won as much if it wasn't a new card (because it wouldn't be played as much as it is). That's my opinion. Feel free to disagree with me.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

Look at it like this
Keldeo>Landorus>Darkrai/Hydreigon>Hammers>Landorus.
Based on that Keldeo would be BDIF, however, it has a slightly unfavorable match up against Darkrai/Hydreigon and has mostly even matchups (see, RayEels, Hammers, Speed Darkrai, ect.)

There is no BDIF. We are in a massive game of Paper-Scissors-Rock. But big basics.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

How about good ol Zeels?
Tornadus EX > Lando, Terrak
Zekrom BW > Tornadus EX, Sigi, Bouff, Empo
Mewtwo > Mewtwo and Keldeo.
Eviolite & Pokemon Center > Darkrai (and Lando to some extent)
Eels > Hammers

I'm currently testing it. The ones on the right are what my Zeels is playing.
Of course, there's one thing...

Tynamo < Landorus.

Oh and it could have trouble late game against Eviolited Shaymin, but hardly anyone plays that.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

Zeels is crushed too hard by anything with lando in it to even be tier 1, let alone BDIF. Rayeels and AspertiaEels are better, but still not BDIF imo.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

grantm1999 said:
dude, Tornadus EX + Eviolite wrecks Lando.
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Yeah...once you set it up. You're going to have a lot of trouble getting and keeping Eels up still because Tornadus only 2HKOs Lando, 3HKOs an Eviolited one, and of course any decent Lando deck will run something that can deal with Tornadus such as Mewtwo.


BDIF stands for Best Deck In Format.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

Dark Void said:
Zeels is crushed too hard by anything with lando in it to even be tier 1, let alone BDIF. Rayeels and AspertiaEels are better, but still not BDIF imo.
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You must be joking. Rayeels got hurt a LOT more by landorus EX then zekeels, because of how much it relies on it's eels. zeels just only really needs eels to get it going, because once it's going it's gone. I agree aspertia eels is better then all other versions of eels, but rayeels isnt better then mewtwo eels woth tornadus ex and friends.
EDIT: and no eels are BDIF
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

Mewtwo Eels with Tornadus EX and friends is Zekeels now? I was under the impression that the "zek" referred to Zekrom being a prominent part of the deck, and my point was that Eels were hit, especially Zekrom in them.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

QWERTY DITTO said:
Dark Void said:
Zeels is crushed too hard by anything with lando in it to even be tier 1, let alone BDIF. Rayeels and AspertiaEels are better, but still not BDIF imo.
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You must be joking. Rayeels got hurt a LOT more by landorus EX then zekeels, because of how much it relies on it's eels. zeels just only really needs eels to get it going, because once it's going it's gone. I agree aspertia eels is better then all other versions of eels, but rayeels isnt better then mewtwo eels woth tornadus ex and friends.
EDIT: and no eels are BDIF
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Lando has resistance to Electric, and Electrics are weak to Fighting, the only pokemon in Zeels that isn't hurt by Landorus EX, is Mewtwo, which is very easy countered. AspertiaEels is the only one that can stand up to Landorus because it isn't Eel reliant.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

Dark Void said:
Mewtwo Eels with Tornadus EX and friends is Zekeels now? I was under the impression that the "zek" referred to Zekrom being a prominent part of the deck, and my point was that Eels were hit, especially Zekrom in them.
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zeels, ever since BW- on has play a heavy mewtwo count FYI. It does also run zekrom, but also heavy mewtwo and tornadus EX. And ever since BCR, tornadus EX is played in it, too.

Emopanda133 said:
QWERTY DITTO said:
You must be joking. Rayeels got hurt a LOT more by landorus EX then zekeels, because of how much it relies on it's eels. zeels just only really needs eels to get it going, because once it's going it's gone. I agree aspertia eels is better then all other versions of eels, but rayeels isnt better then mewtwo eels woth tornadus ex and friends.
EDIT: and no eels are BDIF
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Lando has resistance to Electric, and Electrics are weak to Fighting, the only pokemon in Zeels that isn't hurt by Landorus EX, is Mewtwo, which is very easy countered. AspertiaEels is the only one that can stand up to Landorus because it isn't Eel reliant.
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Tornadus Ex easily wins the prize trade with landorus EX
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

grantm1999 said:
dude, Tornadus EX + Eviolite wrecks Lando.
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Yeah, an eviolited tornadus would wreck a quad landorus deck. However, landorus usually runs bouffalant, which just so happens to wreck tornadus.
 
RE: After Cities started, what do you think is the BDIF?

^I think you meant bouffalant wrecks Tornadus. =/
 
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