XY What new Types would you like to see in X and Y?
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I think he only put Palkia as an example due to the fact it 'created space', and is the Pokemon that has the most connection to space.
Agreed with the Space type. Its place has already been filled by Psychic types (heck even Cosmic Power is a Psychic-type move). And I believe that Palkia became part Water due to its role as the box legend for Pearl and we all know where pearls grow. It also probably has to do with the idea of unsorted space in most creation myths being a gigantic primordial ocean. To think of a new type you need to go smaller.
Luna_Cat16 said:
As i said, if we do get a new type it will be similar to another type (like ground/rock or bug/grass). We never really needed a rock and ground type, gamefreak could have just made purely ground or rock. And again, if you can think of an original type that hasn't been stated so far lets hear it. It's pretty unlikely since gramefreak hit all of them. The next type, if it happens, will be something similar to an already existent type.
The only logical types stated so far are
-space (possible similar type, but psychic types cover this)
-light/holy (doubt it because of fighting type which is the counter to dark)
-sound (sound moves, but normal types currently cover this)
Maybe there may be a genetic type which are manmade pokemon like mewtwo and genesect (doubt it though)
Mitja said:
It's like saying steel and tank types or water and frog types. You find bug pokemon in grass and forest areas hence grass typing. Where do you find frogs and fish, water. Where do you find magmar a volcanoe. That typing is declaring an animal not really a typing (it just works as a typing for the game).
There are several insects unique to frozen environments. Ice crawlers here are so adapted to the cold that if you held one in your hand, it would curl up and die in seconds from your body heat.
The only place insects are scarce is the ocean, because it's dominated by crustaceans which insects are believed to have evolved from, though there are a few who live in tidal pools or skate on the sea's surface, and many many insects in fresh-water ecosystems.
Grass type doesn't represent an environment like water or ground. Grass type pokemon are plant creatures. They just used "grass" as an umbrella term for "vegetation." All grass pokemon are physically plants or fungi at least in part. Arthropods, of course, are animals, but they get their own unique type for several reasons; bugs traditionally have their own special powers in Tokusatsu and Kaiju movies, they're a classic basis for Japanese superheroes, and the hobby of collecting and fighting insects was the biggest inspiration for pokemon itself. Like everything else in pokemon, it goes by what's cool and fun rather than pure logic.
raboyto said:
Yes, for example Cucujus Clavipes Puniceus, a species of red flat bark beetles that lives in the arctic regions around Canada and Alaska, their larvae can withstand temperatures to at least -150°C.
raboyto said:
[insert applause] Congratulations, you have just refuted your original statement.
raboyto said:
Actually, I can already think of an original(ish) type! It would be the Light type...but not so much as the counter to Dark.
If we think about it, Pokemon seems to be starting to shift to a far more international view with this Gen. Everything is being released at the same time and the location seems to be in Europe. It would be no surprise that they might borrow from some traditional fairy-tale elements for Pokemon design as well. And these traditional elements also include things like fairies, knights, and all of the archetypical Disney "good" forces!
So in essence it would be a sort of partially Fairy/Light type, but without the emphasis on heroes, justice, and SUPER MARTIAL ARTS that Fighting types have. Anything with that sort of "magical whimsy" element could apply for the type, making a lot of the Pokemon in the Fairy Egg Group quite applicable for a type transfer (the Clefable, Togekiss, and Whimsicott lines, for example). Xerneas could also fit into the new type, seeing as he could qualify as a sort of "faerie king". I suppose the only issues would be the Legendaries that could also slip into the typings, like Manaphy, Shaymin, and Victini (they can change Phione all they want for what I care). New Pokemon with this type would probably tend to be like pixies and all sorts of magical creatures of the forest? Maybe even an "onion knight" sort of Mon too.
Sadly I could only see a few moves ale to be used competitively, though they'd probably be really powerful, late-level moves. Most of the others would tend to be along the lines of support and gimmicky, or relying for luck. For example, I could see one move that might inflict a random status change on an opponent, being anything from a Gravity effect to Badly Poisoned! Pretty useless but fun. :U
As for the issues of typing...Light/Dark would probably have a GhostvsGhost-like relationship with each other, and Light would be super effective against Dragons because the good knight always vanquishes the evil dragon and saves the pretty lady. Also it balances out the tiers since there are way too many dragons nowadays. They would likely be weak to Bugs and Poison since not only are they also aligned with evil in fairy tales, but those two types need a boost in what they're effective against tier-wise. It would be neutral against the classical elements (Fire/Water/Grass/Electric/Ground/etc.) and vice versa. Figuring out what it'd do against the more esoteric types like Fighting and Psychic is a bit difficult though. u~u
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Bug types have typically been found in close proximity with forests and Grass types in the series, so I can see where they're coming from on that issue. However, Ice/Water would probably be a better comparison.
That being said, it would be quite interesting to see an Ice/Bug type...
Grass and Bug being similar is utter nonsense, but lets get to the actual debate here.
What is the distinct difference between Ground and Rock?
Because if those are indistinguishable then we might as well really get unnecessary plasma, wood, sand, lava and who knows what types.
From my observation,
Rock is about actual minerals themselves, whether that involves rocky armor (like Magcargo, Shuckle), or organism itself being mineral-based ala a living rock (Geodude, Nosepass).
While Ground is not a thing, but a concept. A Ground pokemon either spends a certain amount of its life below the surface (Diglett, Drilbur) or at least partially in the ground (Torterra, Stunfisk). It does not matter whether the ground consists of rocks, mud, plants or freakin metal.
It does seem to have a deeper association with sand than Rock for some reason tho (Flygon, Hippowdown)
I think the distinction is valid enough.
But any "new type" should be as least as distinct as these two.
What is the distinct difference between Ground and Rock?
Because if those are indistinguishable then we might as well really get unnecessary plasma, wood, sand, lava and who knows what types.
From my observation,
Rock is about actual minerals themselves, whether that involves rocky armor (like Magcargo, Shuckle), or organism itself being mineral-based ala a living rock (Geodude, Nosepass).
While Ground is not a thing, but a concept. A Ground pokemon either spends a certain amount of its life below the surface (Diglett, Drilbur) or at least partially in the ground (Torterra, Stunfisk). It does not matter whether the ground consists of rocks, mud, plants or freakin metal.
It does seem to have a deeper association with sand than Rock for some reason tho (Flygon, Hippowdown)
I think the distinction is valid enough.
But any "new type" should be as least as distinct as these two.
I'm glad to see that this forum was starting to go towards a better direction. As I was saying, if bugs are found everywhere in the world then why do they need their own type. Out of all the types it is the only one based solely on a specific creature. Since, by all explanations just listed, they are obviously everywhere then why can't they go soley by grass,water,ice,etc. This goes for rock as well, if resembled ground typing from the get go (rocks are found in ground) then why can't they be soley ground types. The reasoning it that gamefreak wants a lot of types to cover resistances and weakness. Example: Rock beats Bug and Bug resists ground.
Thanks guys, for clearing up that bugs can be found in cold climates, ill take your word for it. And I'm enjoying your comments.
Thanks guys, for clearing up that bugs can be found in cold climates, ill take your word for it. And I'm enjoying your comments.
Because the species of insects in the world pretty much outnumbers almost every other species in every other phylum/class combined. They're extremely common but can't exactly be grouped into other types, like Flying for birds and Normal for mammals (as they tend to be grouped). Ground is also different in that it represents an entirely different idea from Rock. Rock types are supposed to be hard and durable, but then stuff like sand and soil would be excluded, so Ground types were created to cover that, as well as offer a traditional interpretation of "earth" as an element. uwu
Sure, they might want to cover typings, but they also need to have unique concepts while doing so, specifically ones that can't fit into any other group without showing contradictions or having to be unceremoniously wedged in there~
Sure, they might want to cover typings, but they also need to have unique concepts while doing so, specifically ones that can't fit into any other group without showing contradictions or having to be unceremoniously wedged in there~
raboyto said:
Actually, there is 4 more types that relate to the creature itself:
-Dragon (well dragons, scaly monsters, mythic, fire-breathing)
-Ghost (organisms that seem to defy logic, they are abnormal, sometimes gaseous)
-Rock (mineral-based organisms, literally living rocks)
-Steel (metal or alloy based organisms, artificially looking)
Bug is completely justified as the poster before me explained, but it is also a homage to the original inspiration for pokemon: bug collecting.
the rest of the types are either about kinds of ablities (Fighting, Flying, Psychic, Poison, Dark), or the basic elemental powers involving energy or nature (Electric, Fire, Ice, Grass, Water, Ground)
IF there would be new type I'm guessing it would be the light type (I'm guessing people already called this before me)