XY What new Types would you like to see in X and Y?

I really don't see the Light type happening.

If you're thinking of a Dark counter, that's already been established as Fighting.
If you're thinking of literal light, that's Electric's territory (see: Ampharos, Chinchou/Lantern)
If you're thinking of 'cutesy fairy things', those are generally Normal or Psychic types (but do fit in to other types).

Also, against the 'evidence' for a Sound type:

Yveltal looks to be based on a Wyvern, a creature known to use sound to damage in other games
A) Yveltal is clearly a bird. Not a dragon. B) I'm sure the Wyvern isn't known for using sound to damage any more than any other types of dragon.

Only Pokemon to make a sound in the trailer (other than Pikachu)
This is probably the most legitimate reason, but not really a reason at all - I'm sure they only put Yveltal's cry in the trailer for flavour. Try imagine it with no Yveltal cry, and it sounds more bland.

The game already recognizes sound based moves
And most of them are covered by Normal types - 4 out of the 18 moves covered by Soundproof are all different types (5 if counting Shadow Panic). And look at Exploud and Meloetta -both have influences from sound heavily in their designs (Meloetta's music bar hair, treble clef headpiece, quarter notes for arms and its eyes resembling whole notes. Don't need to explain Exploud) and they are both Normal types. Kricketune is the one exception I can think of that's got sound involved in it's design, but isn't a Normal type.

edit: added a bit/changed a bit around
 
Theyd change Grasswhistle, Bug Buzz, Metal Sound to Sound type...or not...LOL

But a better example are wind moves if there was a Wind-type.
Would stuff like Leaf Storm, Fire Spin, Twister, Icy Wind.. become Wind type or stay the types that make perfect sense without the new type?
Not to mention Flying would need some very creative moves since it would lose stuff like Hurricane and probably even Air Slash etc to wind..

OR light.
Would the famous Grass move SolarBeam cease to be a Grass move after 5 generations? Why?
And would Lanturn lose its Electric type for Light? Surely..but how do they explain all the Electric moves it learns then?

It just doesn't work at this point of the franchise..
If they wanted new types, they would have added them gen 3 while the playing field was fresh and they cut off the gameboy. THAT was the perfect occasion! They could have done literally anything. Not now, when they have to stay consistent with everything they built on the back of the advance gen.
 
Oh my, imagine the Genwunner rage if SolarBeam, the original powerful Grass move, got retyped.

But seriously, all newtypers really do have to see the big picture on it. Like Mitja said, they have to stay consistent with everything they've ever done -why introduce a Light type in Gen.6 when in Gen.2, where the candidates for such a type were introduced (Lanturn + Ampharos). Heck, Lanturn AND Ampharos are both classified as the 'Light Pokemon'.
 
Technically Solarbeam is closer to a Fire type move, since it is gathering *solar* energy and then firing it! So if they wanted to retype it they'd be more likely to turn it into a Fire type than a new type or anything else. But then that'd be getting rid of a powerful Grass STAB, so I do think that Solarbeam is quite safe.

And yeah I kind of realized that a lot of the "spectrum" Light types can be made into at least three other types and aren't that valid as a result. I still do think a "fairyish" type should be made though. Like come on, Normal should be for completely average Pokemon! Normal/Flying Pokemon are just birds, and most of the rest are ordinary animals or things like Porygon that just don't have an elemental affiliation. And then you have the weird ones with these special abilities that don't fit anywhere like Clefairy and Togetic and it actually makes the umbrella of "Normal" feel really broad as a result.
 
Luna_Cat16 said:
Technically Solarbeam is closer to a Fire type move, since it is gathering *solar* energy and then firing it! So if they wanted to retype it they'd be more likely to turn it into a Fire type than a new type or anything else. But then that'd be getting rid of a powerful Grass STAB, so I do think that Solarbeam is quite safe.

And yeah I kind of realized that a lot of the "spectrum" Light types can be made into at least three other types and aren't that valid as a result. I still do think a "fairyish" type should be made though. Like come on, Normal should be for completely average Pokemon! Normal/Flying Pokemon are just birds, and most of the rest are ordinary animals or things like Porygon that just don't have an elemental affiliation. And then you have the weird ones with these special abilities that don't fit anywhere like Clefairy and Togetic and it actually makes the umbrella of "Normal" feel really broad as a result.
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Agree. Sort out the fancy stuff from Normal if desperate for a new type, but leave the rest as it is. That would be the only realistic introduction of new types I can think of.

If it wasnt for Sylveon I probably wouldn't ever say even that though... still think the mystery surrounding it is simply gamefreak trolling and fueling speculation while there is nothing new.


Some extra random thoughts:
But what if they'd call it something else than Fairy type though.. there is already a fairy egg-group to show us that something is fairy-like (didn't stop dragon and insect groups I know..). Feel like some astrological aspect would play a role. And magic tricks. Could it be Magic? It sounds like nonsense and makes me immediately think of Psychic... but I just saw Sylveon using Trump Card in my head for some reason e_______e

Lets examine who in 1-649 fits such a fairy/cosmic/luck/moon/magic/dacning/retardedly-cute/pink kind of association olololol:
[animate]cleffa[/animate][animate]clefairy[/animate][animate]clefable[/animate] (Fairy)
[animate]igglybuff[/animate][animate]jigglypuff[/animate][animate]wigglytuff[/animate] (Fairy)
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(Fairy)
togepio.png
(Fairy/Flying)
[animate]bellossom[/animate] (Grass/Fairy) (not the only pokemon LOSING a type upon evolution anymore?)
[animate]volbeat[/animate][animate]illumise[/animate] (Bug/Fairy)
skittys.png
(Normal/Fairy)
[animate]mawile[/animate] (Steel/Fairy) (finally an awesome dual tye like its bro Sableye?)
[animate]jirachi[/animate] (Fairy/Psychic) (ultimate wishmaker meteorite belly-eyed cuteness of doom. why was this steel anyway? for the lulz?)
audinoy.png
(Fairy)
cottonee.png
petilil.png
(Grass/Fairy)
[animate]alomomola[/animate] (Water/Fairy)
AAaaaaand Sylveon obviously then if that were the case. (Fairy)
EDIT: luna_cat brought up Xerneas, the fairy king! LOL

I probably even missed some, but the point is that this might have potential I guess? xD
How about, Pikachu/Plusle/Minun, Marill, Milotic for example?

But honestly, its amazing how it barely makes a mess (like other fanmade types would lol)

EDIT:
lmao!!11
I went and added the fairy type to my rebalanced type chart just for the heck of it xDD
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It wouldnt do the meat of the balancing Ive done by tweaking the 17 alone, but it can go in the right direction!

-one logic applied on both sides was FAIRIES>DRAGONS LOL (heck yeah dragons OP anyway)
-weak to poison cause DEATH TO FAIRIES (and helps poison be any use)
-weak to bug cause BUGS EAT FAIRIES (not really, jsut helps bug xDd....)
-weak to steel cause SMASH AFIRIES WITH HARD STUFF (steel really sucks offensively)
-resisted by psy cause PSY SEES THE DUMB TRICKS COMING (and is awful defensively)
-resisted by bug and grass because IDK (those types need help)
-strong against ghost because it feels good. Fairies gotta hurt invisible ghosts with cosmic pew pew wishful magic, coz barely anyone does I guess.
-strong against dark cause fairy aint afraid of fake shiet

LMAO dont necessarily take this seriously.


Anyhow, what moves would change to this new type??

Wish
Lucky Chant
Metronome
Baton pass
Assist
Moonlight
Helping Hand
Charm
Tickle
Trick Room
...
Swift
Comet Punch
Meteor Mash
Doom Desire
Trump Card
Covet
Last Resort

Hahahaha guys Im enjoying this trip!
 

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When I think of Light-type, I think of it as a type with the concept of kindness and goodness (contrary to Dark; basically, something like what happens in Neo Destiny); I think of Pokémon like the ones Mitja listed (fairy-like, good hearted or even angelic Pokémon)... not Pokémon related to actual light (like Ampharos or Lanturn)...
 
Yeah, it would be called Light type! Similar concept, but applied differently, like how Dark types would sound like ~*~demonic forces~*~ but really just refer to dirty fighting styles.

Though I'd change Jirachi to Phione and/or Manaphy. Jirachi is based on comets and shooting stars in space, so the Psychic actually makes sense in a weird way? oh look now Volbeat/Illumise actually have an appeal to them

And change the Skitty line to being a combo with Normal. They're still relatively normal animal-type Pokemon.

I already said this before but this type could be for the whimsical forces of good in fairytales in general. Luck, gimmicky moves and pretty weak stuff...but a few really really powerful endgame ones that would make them useful competitively. And yeahhhhhh these would pretty much be tier balancers in terms of typing.

If this type were real we'd also all have the horror of knowing that a leprechaun Pokemon would be totally legitimate!

Okay thinking of other new Pokemon that could be "Light" types...
Xerneas could easily fit the qualification of being a sort of "Fairy King" type being, and then have the actual strong Light moves.
They should totally make an onion knight that's Grass/Light and maybe turns Steel/Light when it evolves.
Dark/Light would be a really awesome sort of mischevous brownie creature uwu
Dragon/Light would screw us all over by being Puff the Magic Dragon.

Also Mitja, add Tickle and Trick Room to the list, and get rid of Cosmic Power, Gravity, and Meteor Mash. I feel like the space stuff should stay Psychic or in whatever types they were in before, because then we'd get a possible overlap with Psychic and that wouldn't be pretty.
 
Luna_Cat16 said:
Also Mitja, add Tickle and Trick Room to the list, and get rid of Cosmic Power, Gravity, and Meteor Mash. I feel like the space stuff should stay Psychic or in whatever types they were in before, because then we'd get a possible overlap with Psychic and that wouldn't be pretty.
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I think theyd share that sub-theme, similar to how
-shady moves are covered by both ghost and dark
-mud-based moves are either water or ground
-sand moves are ground or rock
-moves involving sunlight, fire or grass
... (I totally just made this list up as I pull this out of my behind and it turns into something useful anyway, but lets see how far we get with this lol)

I imagined the overlap of Fairy (or light or magic or whatever it would be called) and Psy would be astrological crap and space stuff, the combo of them resulting in the ultimate wishmaker meteorite belly-eyed cuteness of doom called Jirachi (that is, if its Steel type was exchanged for the new thing)
 
Which ones would share a subtheme? Because either Normal and Light could share the whole trickster stat moves, or Psychic and Light could share the out of there astrological moves.

That does make sense! I always thought that the Steel was put in there for it's comet themes but now that you put it that way it's actually a lot better. Retyping legendaries just kinda feels weird, you know?

Hey, maybe they could have a Psychic/Light fortune teller uwu
 
Mitja said:
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(Grass/Fairy)
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I never understood why Whimsicott was made a pure Grass-type. I do not have a problem with it, but knowing GameFreak, I thought another Grass/Flying was obvious. After all, it is a stronger Jumpluff with actual Flying-type moves.

Perhaps a new Cotton-type? Anyone?
 
I have to say, this 'Fairy/Magic/Light type does actually sound quite viable; there isn't an actual type for them (aside from most of them falling into Normal or Psychic, or any other types they are associated with).

Also, on the event fairies and this 'Fairy/Light' type:

Mew:
Could become a Psychic/Light type, I doubt they'd change Mew's single type since it's had so much emphasis on it in the past (and was the first event legend)

Celebi:
I can kind-of see it as a Grass/Light type, but the problem is that Psychic/Grass suits it very well (and don't go givin any Psychic/Light type nonsense, it would require a design change to make it less of a Grass type which I doubt would happen).

Jirachi:
Already mentioned before by Mitja, changes into Light/Psychic. Steel doesn't really suit it tbh.

Manaphy:
Water/Light. Not much of a big decision to be made concerning types.
*also, Phione can stay as a Water type*

Victini:
Fire/Light I guess could work.

Also, on Xerneas:
As much as Xerneas could fit into this type, it seems a bit 'unfair' to Yveltal if only Xern got a new type and Yvel didn't; Xern would be given the limelight and Yveltal pushed to the side a bit more. The only way that this could be redeemed is if Yvel got an amazing game changing ability and Xern only got measly old Pressure (which is quite unlikely since Mascot legends of the 1st two games have either the same ability or counterpart abilities).
Unless it turned out Xern was an existing type (along with Yvel) and they both get measly old Pressure, and the 3rd mascot has the new Light/Fairy type.
 
So I've summed up my thoughts in a dA journal if anyones interested:

http://saiph-charon.deviantart.com/art/New-type-362441955

And here is the rebalanced type chart again after I've put some more thought into it:

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P.DelSlayer said:
I have to say, this 'Fairy/Magic/Light type does actually sound quite viable; there isn't an actual type for them (aside from most of them falling into Normal or Psychic, or any other types they are associated with).

Also, on the event fairies and this 'Fairy/Light' type:

Mew:
Could become a Psychic/Light type, I doubt they'd change Mew's single type since it's had so much emphasis on it in the past (and was the first event legend)

Celebi:
I can kind-of see it as a Grass/Light type, but the problem is that Psychic/Grass suits it very well (and don't go givin any Psychic/Light type nonsense, it would require a design change to make it less of a Grass type which I doubt would happen).

Jirachi:
Already mentioned before by Mitja, changes into Light/Psychic. Steel doesn't really suit it tbh.

Manaphy:
Water/Light. Not much of a big decision to be made concerning types.
*also, Phione can stay as a Water type*

Victini:
Fire/Light I guess could work.

Also, on Xerneas:
As much as Xerneas could fit into this type, it seems a bit 'unfair' to Yveltal if only Xern got a new type and Yvel didn't; Xern would be given the limelight and Yveltal pushed to the side a bit more. The only way that this could be redeemed is if Yvel got an amazing game changing ability and Xern only got measly old Pressure (which is quite unlikely since Mascot legends of the 1st two games have either the same ability or counterpart abilities).
Unless it turned out Xern was an existing type (along with Yvel) and they both get measly old Pressure, and the 3rd mascot has the new Light/Fairy type.
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I really think Light would be inappropriate for this. Because it implies actual light.. Kids wouldn't get why things like Lanturn and Ampharos aren't these types (which if thats what they wanted to have a type for, they would have added Light in GSC). There is Fire and Electric for that, whichever more appropriate.
I cant think of much else.
Magic sounds too much like its simply about magic, and draws it way too close to Psychic. Similar problem with Cosmic etc.

I think Fairy does the job nicely. Its like Bug and Dragon. There is an egg-group, but the justification for it also being a type is because it brings along fantastic magic powers (unlike fish, mammal, bird etc..)


I don't think all cutesy event-legends would deserve a retyping due to this.
Mew is out of question. Celebi needs both types. Manaphy could get it I guess now that I think of its real life basis. Victini? No. Of all these critters, Victini seems actually invested in its Psychic type (note that Psy is its MAIN type) and the combo is just awesome and "explosive"..in a pyrokinetic way xD

Jirachi is THE one that does need this change (and note its also the only where a re-type would occur).


As for Xerneas/Yveltal dilemma..
I don't think it would be that much of a big deal. Since Fairy would see to many like a girlish type or something. I mean, its not "oh my god its a freakin cool badass fairy type, Im getting X!"

Fairy or Dark/Flying

seems fine for mascots in my view. Also the dual type would make up for it a bit too.
Its fairies or darkness.
 
You brought some nice points on fairy. I don't think they'll implement it but its the best option of the ones people have mentioned. Dragon needs to be nerf and Poison needs to be buffed (and Ice too but they can make a good Ice type). You should get a key to the chart.
 
Perhaps Phione, but not Manaphy, would get a type transfer? That makes Phione something people would actually want besides for completing the National Dex.

And Yveltal already has an advantage in that it seems to be the Dialga/Zekrom of the generation, AKA it has more fans than Xerneas. I'm pretty sure a new type won't convert too many people, except for maybe the little kids blown away by the hype of it all.

Adding it this generation is also kind of reasonable, considering that we're going to Europe (from what info we have) and European folktales have always had pretty fairies, and if you consider the "restarting" of the generations to be a thing this technically parallels the 2nd gen, which introduced new types.
So slightly more of a possibility than usual. Slightly.
 
See guys, after some thought, now you think it would actually make sense to have that kind of type... (I still call it Light, just out of habbit...)
 
Sound has been established as a 'sub-Type' of Normal. It also isn't really an element, so I don't think it could actually happen.
 
If there were to be a new type(I doubt that from all the information above) It will be.... weather. Please don't ask why.
 
We need absolutely no new types. By the way, even if there was a new "Saint" type, they'd have to change the Swords of Justice to that type and it would just be weird.

I would like to see new type combinations though, as said by few.
Maybe a rock dragon? Poison and electric? Psychics and dark?
New combos that haven't been made yet would change the game for the better, but new types altogether would ruin everything.
 
Why would they need to change the Muskedeers to fit a new type? Fighting already fits their group perfectly given the concepts used in their creation, so any new type would probably just breeze right by it.

A new type would be "out there" in terms of options (i think type chart rebalancing is far more likely, for example), but I don't understand why a new one would be so bad beyond a nondescript "ruining everything". How could it ruin stuff? If anything a new type would be used to fix existing type imbalances more than mess them up further.
 
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