Personally MY least Favorite Gens are Gen 2 and 3, Gen 4 and 5 are my top 2
(1) Ninfia's English Name: Sylveon [2/14]
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I really liked the fourth fifth of gen three, moreso than the first third of gen five, but the second half of gen one was almost as bad as the dozen before the final thirty in gen two.
No Im just joking obviously.
But that would still be closer to meaningful information.
Might as well start posting the pokemon designs of WHAT COLOUR GROUP are the best, the worst, better or worse than another.
"The red pokemon have much better designs, while I dislike the yellow group the most. But the blue ones are on my top 2 too."
No Im just joking obviously.
But that would still be closer to meaningful information.
Might as well start posting the pokemon designs of WHAT COLOUR GROUP are the best, the worst, better or worse than another.
"The red pokemon have much better designs, while I dislike the yellow group the most. But the blue ones are on my top 2 too."
ugh you guys are reminding me of this.
Anyways can we get back on topic a bit please? This thread is about Sylveon, it's not about how much you like/dislike certain Generations of pokemon.
Anyways can we get back on topic a bit please? This thread is about Sylveon, it's not about how much you like/dislike certain Generations of pokemon.
You guys like certain gens over others based on what Pokemon were released in each one? Heeheehee, that's cute.
I've ranked the generations based on overall design of the game engine (including speeds of things like battling and saving), the overworld, and the small little bits that really make a game. It's because of this that Gen 3 is my favorite, and Gen 4 my least. The way the world of Gen 3 was designed, especially in Emerald, is absolutely beautiful. With Gen 4 (D/P and to an extent Pt) on the other hand, you have a poorly colored overworld and incredibly slow battling and saving times (that actually got worse in Platinum). HG/SS were pretty good, but they weren't enough to salvage the wreckage that Gen 4 had become.
But since Gen 4 is my least favorite, does that mean I hate most of the Sinnoh Pokemon? No, most certainly not! Any of you peeps who know me well enough know that Regigigas of all things is my favorite Pokemon. For lulz, I wrote up a list of my top 100 favorite Pokemon, and when I was done, all the Gens (except Johto, which didn't have very many) were all about equally represented in the list. (If you want a peek at the list, it's in my bio.) The design of a generation overall should be your deciding factor in whether or not you like it, not the designs of the Pokemon alone, because let's face it: with each new batch that's released, you have mostly good ones and a few bad ones off to the side. "The newer Pokemon are bad compared to the older ones" is hardly reasoning to justify your dislike; the vast majority of people I've asked as to why can't even explain why themselves.
...which is why you guys shouldn't be judging Gen 6 prematurely over only six revealed Pokemon, nor the generations that came before just because of what Pokemon were released in them. Also, Fennekin final evo needs to be a Fire/Fighting type; I command it.
I've ranked the generations based on overall design of the game engine (including speeds of things like battling and saving), the overworld, and the small little bits that really make a game. It's because of this that Gen 3 is my favorite, and Gen 4 my least. The way the world of Gen 3 was designed, especially in Emerald, is absolutely beautiful. With Gen 4 (D/P and to an extent Pt) on the other hand, you have a poorly colored overworld and incredibly slow battling and saving times (that actually got worse in Platinum). HG/SS were pretty good, but they weren't enough to salvage the wreckage that Gen 4 had become.
But since Gen 4 is my least favorite, does that mean I hate most of the Sinnoh Pokemon? No, most certainly not! Any of you peeps who know me well enough know that Regigigas of all things is my favorite Pokemon. For lulz, I wrote up a list of my top 100 favorite Pokemon, and when I was done, all the Gens (except Johto, which didn't have very many) were all about equally represented in the list. (If you want a peek at the list, it's in my bio.) The design of a generation overall should be your deciding factor in whether or not you like it, not the designs of the Pokemon alone, because let's face it: with each new batch that's released, you have mostly good ones and a few bad ones off to the side. "The newer Pokemon are bad compared to the older ones" is hardly reasoning to justify your dislike; the vast majority of people I've asked as to why can't even explain why themselves.
...which is why you guys shouldn't be judging Gen 6 prematurely over only six revealed Pokemon, nor the generations that came before just because of what Pokemon were released in them. Also, Fennekin final evo needs to be a Fire/Fighting type; I command it.
It is totally possible to say you like Gen X the most and Gen Y the least. I ranked every single Pokemon up to Gen IV (and I'm doing the same process for all of the Pokemon including Gen V) and then took the averages. Hence I like Gen 1's Pokemon the most and Gen 3's Pokemon the least, in the same way that I can say I like Ice Pokemon the most and Dark Pokemon the least. :-/
Also Gen 6 will pretty awesome if I like the Pokemon as a whole as much as I like Fennekin, Chespin and Sylveon so far. :3
Also Gen 6 will pretty awesome if I like the Pokemon as a whole as much as I like Fennekin, Chespin and Sylveon so far. :3
lol at Gen 4 being the worst based on Pokémon designs... lol at the argument that it has an unnatural look... I've heard people complaining about gen 4 being like a freakin' zoo because of so many animal-based pokémon... And the extra details that all of you say are unnecessary are what make them cooler... Damn, I look at most gen 1 pokémon now and I feel bad for some of them because of how bland they are... Yet they're the ones I've grew up with, the general blandness doesn't make me stop liking them and Charizard is still my favorite...
Gen 3 is the weird one... The style of the designs feel much more different when compared to the other gens... So, it is my least favorite in terms of designs, but I still like the gen 3 pokémon as much as the every other pokémon...
@DNA: Actually, gen 4 is my favorite not only because of the pokémon but also because I like the region a lot. IMO, the saving thing is really the only thing that's bad about Platinum... In terms of speed, afaik, they improved the speed compared to DP. The battle speed is pretty much the same of HGSS. Also there's so many stuff to do in the game, even after the main story, it makes Platinum easily one of the best Pokémon games to play... But back to the region, I like it precisely because it feels so full, there are a lot of different environments (snowy routes, swamps, rocky routes, the normal grass routes and the whole mt. coronet connection). Sure, walking in the snowy routes and in the marsh is annoying but still, the region has lot of places to explore. Particularly the Battle zone which has a desert route and a volcano like Hoenn. And I'm mentioning Hoenn because curiously, not only the gen 3 designs are my least favorite, I also don't like the region very much. I really hate all those water routes, I always feel lost in them... The only thing I like in Hoenn is pretty much the Battle frontier.
Gen 3 is the weird one... The style of the designs feel much more different when compared to the other gens... So, it is my least favorite in terms of designs, but I still like the gen 3 pokémon as much as the every other pokémon...
@DNA: Actually, gen 4 is my favorite not only because of the pokémon but also because I like the region a lot. IMO, the saving thing is really the only thing that's bad about Platinum... In terms of speed, afaik, they improved the speed compared to DP. The battle speed is pretty much the same of HGSS. Also there's so many stuff to do in the game, even after the main story, it makes Platinum easily one of the best Pokémon games to play... But back to the region, I like it precisely because it feels so full, there are a lot of different environments (snowy routes, swamps, rocky routes, the normal grass routes and the whole mt. coronet connection). Sure, walking in the snowy routes and in the marsh is annoying but still, the region has lot of places to explore. Particularly the Battle zone which has a desert route and a volcano like Hoenn. And I'm mentioning Hoenn because curiously, not only the gen 3 designs are my least favorite, I also don't like the region very much. I really hate all those water routes, I always feel lost in them... The only thing I like in Hoenn is pretty much the Battle frontier.
From EEVEE's evolution to bashing GEN 4. Wow you guys know how to keep a convo going ... which has nothign to do with the thread what so ever!
godzilla41 said:
haha,
everytime someone compares generations once, it seems like everyone else has to join in and share their own.
I imagine, if instead of releasing pokemon as groups of 100-150 every 4 years, gamefreak somehow released them one family-line each and every month (which would result in the same amount), hence the concept of "generations" would not exist, no one would ever resort to these empty comparisons that are somehow supposed to be opinions.
At least if they included the region and games the pokemon appear in, like DNA said, then it wouldn't be that much of a waste of the internet lol
Zielo said:
I stated this before I explained why gen 4 was my least favorite, being careful to signal out only the Pokemon designs and not region, gameplay, etc. Normally when people state what gen of Pokemon they like, they're referring to the batch of Pokemon released in that era.. and normally they pick a gen based on if more or less of the Pokemon in the gen appeal to them.. so I really don't see what the fuss is about why people can't pick a favorite gen. No one said that the ones that are icky-looking are any less of a Pokemon. I believe that a lot of (but not all) Pokemon have a sort of "look" to them that fits them in that particular generation, which is why picking is totally plausible... for example, gen 2 has that happy bouncy look to most of the Pokemon, gen 3 has a little more of an advanced/serious style, gen 4 has more of an updated techy look, 5 has more of a unique style, and 1 is the obvious original Pokemon style. (simplistic yet creative). Not everyone will see it that way, but thats how I do.
Again, just my opinion. I wasn't really asking for a big debate on the subject when I explained why gen 4 was my least favorite, which is why I went back to Sylveon right after. ._.
Even so, we've all speculated on the types, stated our theories, commented on the design and outtake, there isn't much left to discuss. All we can really do now is wait for more leaks.
I'm a fan but I don't really follow Pokemon 'hardcorely' or anything. I even hardly played last generation. So there are chances I am really wrong, but a few things popped up on my mind about Sylveon when a saw it, so lets try (I'll be crushed when I discover myself wrong):
- I don't understand the hate for the design. It is as any other Eeveelution if you compare. The only ''problem' is that you can't type it right away by its looks, hence why they are cashing on it. It's a topic of discussion that will last for a looong time (until they so decide) - brilliant marketing.
So, it has a very flowing look, but so do all Eevee's evolutions. However it has more lightness to it, a deliberate one. Notice those laces or whatever floating above its back?
Makes me think wind is going on there (in spite of the frigid look, I know)
- About the name, unlike pretty much everyone, it seems, I like all previous names. They're necessary and clever changes to the Japanese ones (Showers? really? What did you want? Showeron? Sounds like a bad Transformers' villain)
Well, lets see. SYLVeon. A Sylph is an Air elemental fairy. So it goes with its looks, right? All Fairy-like and the floating impression? But you say "that's 'ph', not 'v' !", to which I answer "Steven-Stephen; vial-phial"
- About a new type: GOD I HOPE NOT !! There are ENOUGH types already. And don't you "there's Dark, we need Light"-me. We don't !
- Fighting? Really? Only if it ends up being Street Fighter's Rose's pet.
- Will there be another Eeveelution? I firmly believe there will. Why? Well, see how Sylveon is all girly looking, and in such a way that you're actually screaming Fairy-type, both seriously and ironically? Well, even though it will break the tradition of only one of each type, I believe this is a gender-based evolution and this pretty little thing is a female, because Pokemon X and Pokemon Y. Let me elaborate: XX - female chromosomes combination; XY - male chromosomes combination; X female, Y male. And to increase interaction, it will be also a trade evolution (Reproduction. The X needs the Y). On that thought, we will most likely see quite a number of gender-based evolutions.
Oh! Also, "Ninfia" and "Nymphali" remind us of "Nymph" right? Well, Nymphs are all FEMALE deities. That I know. What I don't know is what the male name will be if this is indeed like I'm saying. (Usually, Satyrs are kind of the counter part of nymphs...in a way...)
- I don't believe it will be only Flying. Probably Normal-Flying. "But that's two types !" Oh shut it please! Creators make the rules, not you !
- "But that thing doesn't even have f****** WINGS !!!!" Yup, I can't argue with that. If it's Flying, just for that (for me at least), it's stupid. But it's most likely Flying, so lets get used to it :/
Now that I sounded all smart and stuff (emphasis on "stuff"), what do you think?
- I don't understand the hate for the design. It is as any other Eeveelution if you compare. The only ''problem' is that you can't type it right away by its looks, hence why they are cashing on it. It's a topic of discussion that will last for a looong time (until they so decide) - brilliant marketing.
So, it has a very flowing look, but so do all Eevee's evolutions. However it has more lightness to it, a deliberate one. Notice those laces or whatever floating above its back?
Makes me think wind is going on there (in spite of the frigid look, I know)
- About the name, unlike pretty much everyone, it seems, I like all previous names. They're necessary and clever changes to the Japanese ones (Showers? really? What did you want? Showeron? Sounds like a bad Transformers' villain)
Well, lets see. SYLVeon. A Sylph is an Air elemental fairy. So it goes with its looks, right? All Fairy-like and the floating impression? But you say "that's 'ph', not 'v' !", to which I answer "Steven-Stephen; vial-phial"
- About a new type: GOD I HOPE NOT !! There are ENOUGH types already. And don't you "there's Dark, we need Light"-me. We don't !
- Fighting? Really? Only if it ends up being Street Fighter's Rose's pet.
- Will there be another Eeveelution? I firmly believe there will. Why? Well, see how Sylveon is all girly looking, and in such a way that you're actually screaming Fairy-type, both seriously and ironically? Well, even though it will break the tradition of only one of each type, I believe this is a gender-based evolution and this pretty little thing is a female, because Pokemon X and Pokemon Y. Let me elaborate: XX - female chromosomes combination; XY - male chromosomes combination; X female, Y male. And to increase interaction, it will be also a trade evolution (Reproduction. The X needs the Y). On that thought, we will most likely see quite a number of gender-based evolutions.
Oh! Also, "Ninfia" and "Nymphali" remind us of "Nymph" right? Well, Nymphs are all FEMALE deities. That I know. What I don't know is what the male name will be if this is indeed like I'm saying. (Usually, Satyrs are kind of the counter part of nymphs...in a way...)
- I don't believe it will be only Flying. Probably Normal-Flying. "But that's two types !" Oh shut it please! Creators make the rules, not you !
- "But that thing doesn't even have f****** WINGS !!!!" Yup, I can't argue with that. If it's Flying, just for that (for me at least), it's stupid. But it's most likely Flying, so lets get used to it :/
Now that I sounded all smart and stuff (emphasis on "stuff"), what do you think?
apocalypselate said:I'm a fan but I don't really follow Pokemon 'hardcorely' or anything. I even hardly played last generation. So there are chances I am really wrong, but a few things popped up on my mind about Sylveon when a saw it, so lets try (I'll be crushed when I discover myself wrong):
- I don't understand the hate for the design. It is as any other Eeveelution if you compare. The only ''problem' is that you can't type it right away by its looks, hence why they are cashing on it. It's a topic of discussion that will last for a looong time (until they so decide) - brilliant marketing.
So, it has a very flowing look, but so do all Eevee's evolutions. However it has more lightness to it, a deliberate one. Notice those laces or whatever floating above its back?
Makes me think wind is going on there (in spite of the frigid look, I know)
- About the name, unlike pretty much everyone, it seems, I like all previous names. They're necessary and clever changes to the Japanese ones (Showers? really? What did you want? Showeron? Sounds like a bad Transformers' villain)
Well, lets see. SYLVeon. A Sylph is an Air elemental fairy. So it goes with its looks, right? All Fairy-like and the floating impression? But you say "that's 'ph', not 'v' !", to which I answer "Steven-Stephen; vial-phial"
- About a new type: GOD I HOPE NOT !! There are ENOUGH types already. And don't you "there's Dark, we need Light"-me. We don't !
- Fighting? Really? Only if it ends up being Street Fighter's Rose's pet.
- Will there be another Eeveelution? I firmly believe there will. Why? Well, see how Sylveon is all girly looking, and in such a way that you're actually screaming Fairy-type, both seriously and ironically? Well, even though it will break the tradition of only one of each type, I believe this is a gender-based evolution and this pretty little thing is a female, because Pokemon X and Pokemon Y. Let me elaborate: XX - female chromosomes combination; XY - male chromosomes combination; X female, Y male. And to increase interaction, it will be also a trade evolution (Reproduction. The X needs the Y). On that thought, we will most likely see quite a number of gender-based evolutions.
Oh! Also, "Ninfia" and "Nymphali" remind us of "Nymph" right? Well, Nymphs are all FEMALE deities. That I know. What I don't know is what the male name will be if this is indeed like I'm saying. (Usually, Satyrs are kind of the counter part of nymphs...in a way...)
- I don't believe it will be only Flying. Probably Normal-Flying. "But that's two types !" Oh shut it please! Creators make the rules, not you !
- "But that thing doesn't even have f****** WINGS !!!!" Yup, I can't argue with that. If it's Flying, just for that (for me at least), it's stupid. But it's most likely Flying, so lets get used to it :/
Now that I sounded all smart and stuff (emphasis on "stuff"), what do you think?
I really think you are right. Except that it will likely be pure Flying because eeveelutions are always pure types. The part of the female might be wrong. It doesn't need wings to be flying. Tornadus is the only pure Flying and it doesn't have wings.
I agree with a lot of those points. If it does turn out to be a Flying without wings... well, not all flyers have wings or can fly (as much sense as that makes). We have Doduo, Gyrados, the Hoppip family, Rayquaza, Drifloon/blim, and the only pure flyer, Thundurus. There's also a hand full that do have wings yet can't fly. The one thing that will annoy me if this does turn out to be a Flying type, is the fact that it most likely won't be pure-type. It will annoy me as much as Bulbasaur being the only dual-type starter does. Gyrraaaahhh.
Another point to add to Sylveon being flying, and its hard to believe no one has mentioned this yet, its flowing ribbons remind of of a wind sock.
Admittedly though, I was expecting a Flying type to look... well.. more like a flyer. Maybe with clouds, or a white eeveelution, or even just a small pair of vestigial wings. It bothers me somewhat that this eeveelution in particular isn't clear on it's typing, which is why a large percentage of my belief still remains on a type we haven't gotten yet.
Bah, my theories and speculations of Sylveons type change every day. I'll be content with whatever GF throws at us, so long as it isn't some off-the-wall typing that makes no sense like Steel or Ghost.
I also firmly believe that this won't be the only eeveelution released in this gen, and that Sylveon is female and evolves by gender. But I don't think that if we get a second, it will basically be a second Sylveon only male and with alterations. I think well get two types this gen, and a Fighting counterpart at that.
Another point to add to Sylveon being flying, and its hard to believe no one has mentioned this yet, its flowing ribbons remind of of a wind sock.
Admittedly though, I was expecting a Flying type to look... well.. more like a flyer. Maybe with clouds, or a white eeveelution, or even just a small pair of vestigial wings. It bothers me somewhat that this eeveelution in particular isn't clear on it's typing, which is why a large percentage of my belief still remains on a type we haven't gotten yet.
Bah, my theories and speculations of Sylveons type change every day. I'll be content with whatever GF throws at us, so long as it isn't some off-the-wall typing that makes no sense like Steel or Ghost.
I also firmly believe that this won't be the only eeveelution released in this gen, and that Sylveon is female and evolves by gender. But I don't think that if we get a second, it will basically be a second Sylveon only male and with alterations. I think well get two types this gen, and a Fighting counterpart at that.
I could buy a Normal/Flying as weird as that sounds for an eeveelution (but hey, its not like that would be the only thing that differentiates it from the other 7 eeveelutions right?)... but pure Flying is completely unrealistic simply from the fact it took them 5 generations for a design to show up that they felt confident in making primary Flying, and that was a floating wind fujin which turns into a bird, unlike Sylveon, which has a Skyla-look as one of the main arguments so far, and thats pretty low.
apocalypselate said:
I would agree on that. Introducing a single Eeveelution this generation seems to be a bit out of the line with what GameFreak did before. As the Eeveelutions were always released in pairs of two counterparts after GenI it is most likely that there is another Eeveelution that contrasts Sylveon in some way or other, unless Sylveon is meant to be an outstanding exceptional-Eeveelution (like being a final Normal type Eeveelution or being Eevee's "real" evolution, as some people argued).
However I don't believe that. From what we saw in former generations, I conclude Sylveon is a pure type and it has a counterpart. I still think pure Flying type is the most probable option, although there are valid counterarguments:
Mitja said:
I admit that pure Flying is so far an unique type and thus uncommon, but a secondary type on an Eeveelution would be odd as well. Also, look at the existing Normal/Flying Pokemon: they are all based on birds without any exception. An Eeveelution with that type just seems to be unsuitable.
Also, as I said in the other thread a pure Flying type wouldn't be that out of the blue as some of you overstate: Tornadus is based on Fūjin, the Shinto deity of wind, so an elemental being of the air from Japanese mythology. Sylveon, at least what it's name in all languages and it's appearance let suggest, is based on a sylph, nymph or fairy, in any case an airworthy, rather female looking creature derived from Western/European mythology. Sylphs are actually described as being the incarnation of the air by the alchemist Paracelsus who coined the term.
This makes me think that basing a Pokemon on an elemental being of the air from Western/European mythology might justify another pure Flying type.
Back to a possible second Eeveelution: It might be Ground type (to contrast Sylveon's above suggested Flying type) or Fighting type (to contrast Sylveon's stereotypically cute and girly appearance). If it exists, it will be revealed in the Pika short movie, too, as a kind of wow-factor.
My guess: The Eevee from that movie will finally evolve into this second Gen6-Eevelution. (personal speculation only)
Fennex said:
-Sylveon is the odd out of the bunch anyway
-yes, but if any of them had for example Fire-elemental powers, they'd be Fire/Flying ala Moltres and Ho-oh. Their Normal just means no primary elemental association, and Normal/Flying is by no means supposed to be bird exclusive (Togetic might be the exception you're looking for)
Mitja said:
I think the main reason why people consider Sylveon to be the odd one out is because you cannot doubtless say what type it is from its appearance and its name, as you could in case of the other Eeveelutions.
Tbh I can't say that Sylveon is an inappropiate or even odd Eeveelution. It has the same fox-like basic design combined with an unique (and admittedly often type-referring) style of its ears, tail and monochrome coat color that all Eeveelutions have in common.
Mitja said:
To Normal/Flying as "bird-exclusive" type: I used this not quite correct term in a former post to express that, so far, all Pokemon of this typing are based on birds. That's not to say that bird-based Pokemon have to be of this typing.
As you said, there are many bird-Pokemon that get their Normal type swapped with whatever is appropriate with regard to their origin, powers or habitat. A seagull like Wingull got a Water type instead, a said-to-be sneaky raven like Murkrow got a Dark type, the Legendary Kanto Birds got their respective element as first type and so on.
However, it's just a fact that an in every sense unspecial bird-Pokemon (e.g. the ones found on the first routes in every region) is Normal/Flying and there is no Normal/Flying that isn't based on said ordinary birds, which also applies to Togetic, as its design isn't that far away from a bird, its Japanese name Togechick intends a respective origin and it has an obviously bird-based evolution Togekiss.
I also would bet that another Eeveelution will be released in Gen 6, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a masculine-looking one. Maybe Fighting type? Who knows. But I believe this because in Generations 2 and 4 two Eeveeltutions were released. I see no reason for them to interrupt this tradition. But since it's Pokemon, all bets are off. You never know.
Chrono said:
it seems when they introduce eeveelutions they come in pairs. It'd be neat to get just a regular eeveeultion (normal type) acquired by level. I'd like a normal type since if sylveon is flying it completes the element circle of eeveelutions.