(1) Ninfia's English Name: Sylveon [2/14]

[DNA]

And they live in a lake, each. Not valid.
Lugia living in Whirl islands. Valid

I don't see the reasoning here.

Location lived versus quality embodied.
However, because of that, comparing the lake guardians with Lugia is not a fair comparison. It's apples to oranges.
Living in a lake means basically nothing. Living in a deep-sea trench I'd say is a lot more meaningful.

 

[Zielo]

Breaking away from all this Lugia and type discussion... o-o

Lol, the only thing I ever really take as legitimate information from the anime is the Pokemon name pronunciations, and how they speak. Pikachu would forever sound like a little glitchy elephant noise if it weren't for the voice acting.

Also, I thought of another topic with Sylveon. Does anyone have friends in rl that talk about the latest Pokemon news? Are they as up-to-date and down-to-earth on it as mine are? Because if they are, I feel sorry for you. All my friends think that fake 6th gen name list floating around the internet is legit and they take rumors as if they are fact, I have people running around thinking Fennekin is Fire/Psychic and Sylveon is Steel because of silver. And they practically tell me im stupid for not seeing how obvious it is. -_-
At least I have one who is more Poke-savvy thank god.

 

[Mitja]

Breaking away from all this Lugia and type discussion... o-o

Lol, the only thing I ever really take as legitimate information from the anime is the Pokemon name pronunciations, and how they speak. Pikachu would forever sound like a little glitchy elephant noise if it weren't for the voice acting.

I don't think gamefreak ever intended for pokemon to call out their names, if that's what you're refering to. In the games, although the sounds really are "glitchy noises" (but getting much more distinctive recently), at least they sound like monster screams.
But also, when you inetract with an overworld pokemon, the speech text contains onomatopoeia, like "Moooo..." and "sqweeee!".

The calling-their-names-thing is definitely the most annoying aspect of the anime and makes no damn sense.. I can understand why the anime department thought this was a good idea though. Because that way kids can more easily remember the names.

Also, I thought of another topic with Sylveon. Does anyone have friends in rl that talk about the latest Pokemon news? Are they as up-to-date and down-to-earth on it as mine are? Because if they are, I feel sorry for you. All my friends think that fake 6th gen name list floating around the internet is legit and they take rumors as if they are fact, I have people running around thinking Fennekin is Fire/Psychic and Sylveon is Steel because of silver. And they practically tell me im stupid for not seeing how obvious it is. -_-
At least I have one who is more Poke-savvy thank god.

oh dear Xd

nah, the 5 people I discuss any pokenews with, all came to the same seeingly obvious conclusion that Sylveon is Normal in every possible way and the ongoing speculations for all the weird types gave us plenty of laughs ;D

 

[DNA]

Lol, the only thing I ever really take as legitimate information from the anime is the Pokemon name pronunciations, and how they speak.

"fe-RA-thorn"

No.

 

[Pell_]

Re: RE: (1) Ninfia's English Name: Sylveon [2/14]

Lol, the only thing I ever really take as legitimate information from the anime is the Pokemon name pronunciations, and how they speak.

"fe-RA-thorn"

No.

*Fur-RAW-thorn
Also, btw, all you noobs at Eric's league, it's CUE-rem, not Ky-rem. He told me to tell you that, it's the offucial pronunciation.

Ver-EYE-zee-in
Ter-RAK-kee-in
CO-BAY-lee-in
Kel-dee-o
Garb-odor

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[Metalizard]

Lugia learns less Water moves than Ho-oh learns Fire moves.
If you count TMs and everything, then Lugia learns more Psychic moves than Ho-oh.
But it doesn't even matter.

"We could go look for examples of pokemon learning no moves of their type, or learning more moves of another type or anything you want. Doesn't mean anything. If Lugia learnt 20 Water moves, it would still rather use a Psychic move because that's what it is strong at."

In short, number of moves a pokemon learns is not necessarily related to what type it is.

The point isn't that it learns many Water-moves, the point is, like I said in the beginning, it learns that specific move by level up, in addition to a few other moves. You said it learns Hydro Pump because Ho-oh learns Fire Blast which is the polar opposite move. But Ho-oh gets STAB from Fire Blast. Lugia doesn't get STAB from Hydro Pump. Then why does it learn Hydro Pump? It should learn a move that grants it STAB in that slot if Lugia is not meant to be a Water-type.

And they live in a lake, each. Not valid.
Lugia living in Whirl islands. Valid

I don't see the reasoning here.

What DNA said. Besides, they don't actually live underwater. They live in caves in the middle of the lakes... It's a bit different, I'd say...

Read again, I asked you to give me an example. I cannot point out what's "Psychic-type nature" about Lugia because I have no idea what you mean by that. Not for Lugia (since thats what you're asking me) but in general.

Maybe "nature" is not the right word. I mean something like a relation or connection. What I mean is, what does Lugia have that explains its Psychic-type? When you look at it, what makes it stand out as a Psychic type? Well, I can tell you, IMO, nothing. There's nothing about Lugia, its basis/concept, its backstory, its natural abilities, its look. etc. Nothing.
If you look at other Psychic-types: Alakazam -> Magic; Hypno -> Hypnotism; Espeon -> Extrasensorial Perception; The lake trio, that I already mentioned -> Spirit. I could go on... Most of them has something that gives a Psychic-type "vibe" about them... Like you said, you think Lugia is fine as a Psychic-type because you've always knew it as one.
I know this is somewhat subjective because people don't look at the various pokémon the same way but if you looked at Lugia without knowing its type, but read all the other details about it (origin, dex entries, etc.), and had to guess its type, would you think of it as a Psychic-type?

Rayquaza is based on the Ziz, giant griffin that blocks out the sun with its wings -> Dragon type?

That's different. Rayquaza doesn't look like a giant griffin. The biblical monsters were merely used as references for the weather trio. A beast of the sea, a beast of the land and a beast of the sky. Groudon is not an ox and Kyogre is not very similar to the leviathan either as far as I know.
On the other hand, Lugia is a bit like Reshiram, it has traits of various creatures, including some Dragon traits to match the Ryujin and even the Beluga whale...

 

[Pell_]

Re: RE: (1) Ninfia's English Name: Sylveon [2/14]

Lugia learns less Water moves than Ho-oh learns Fire moves.
If you count TMs and everything, then Lugia learns more Psychic moves than Ho-oh.
But it doesn't even matter.

"We could go look for examples of pokemon learning no moves of their type, or learning more moves of another type or anything you want. Doesn't mean anything. If Lugia learnt 20 Water moves, it would still rather use a Psychic move because that's what it is strong at."

In short, number of moves a pokemon learns is not necessarily related to what type it is.

The point isn't that it learns many Water-moves, the point is, like I said in the beginning, it learns that specific move by level up, in addition to a few other moves. You said it learns Hydro Pump because Ho-oh learns Fire Blast which is the polar opposite move. But Ho-oh gets STAB from Fire Blast. Lugia doesn't get STAB from Hydro Pump. Then why does it learn Hydro Pump? It should learn a move that grants it STAB in that slot if Lugia is not meant to be a Water-type.

And they live in a lake, each. Not valid.
Lugia living in Whirl islands. Valid

I don't see the reasoning here.

What DNA said.

Read again, I asked you to give me an example. I cannot point out what's "Psychic-type nature" about Lugia because I have no idea what you mean by that. Not for Lugia (since thats what you're asking me) but in general.

Maybe "nature" is not the right word. I mean something like a relation or connection. What I mean is, what does Lugia have that explains its Psychic-type? When you look at it, what makes it stand out as a Psychic type? Well, I can tell you, IMO, nothing. There's nothing about Lugia, its basis/concept, its backstory, its natural abilities, its look. etc. Nothing.
If you look at other Psychic-types: Alakazam -> Magic; Hypno -> Hypnotism; Espeon -> Extrasensorial Perception; The lake trio, that I already mentioned -> Spirit. I could go on... Most of them has something that gives a Psychic-type "vibe" about them... Like you said, you think Lugia is fine as a Psychic-type because you've always knew it as one.
I know this is somewhat subjective because people don't look at the various pokémon the same way but if you looked at Lugia without knowing its type, but read all the other details about it (origin, dex entries, etc.), and had to guess its type, would you think of it as a Psychic-type?

Rayquaza is based on the Ziz, giant griffin that blocks out the sun with its wings -> Dragon type?

That's different. Rayquaza doesn't look like a giant griffin. The biblical monsters were merely used as references for the weather trio. A beast of the sea, a beast of the land and a beast of the sky. Groudon is not an ox and Kyogre is not very similar to the leviathan either as far as I know.
On the other hand, Lugia is a bit like Reshiram, it has traits of various creatures, including some Dragon traits to match the Ryujin and even the Beluga whale...

Well, the Kyogre is where I have to stop you. Depending on what mythology you look at, the leviathan is an entirely different creature. Kyogre being similar to one isn't so crazy.

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[jynxed]

Lugia learns less Water moves than Ho-oh learns Fire moves.
If you count TMs and everything, then Lugia learns more Psychic moves than Ho-oh.
But it doesn't even matter.

"We could go look for examples of pokemon learning no moves of their type, or learning more moves of another type or anything you want. Doesn't mean anything. If Lugia learnt 20 Water moves, it would still rather use a Psychic move because that's what it is strong at."

In short, number of moves a pokemon learns is not necessarily related to what type it is.

The point isn't that it learns many Water-moves, the point is, like I said in the beginning, it learns that specific move by level up, in addition to a few other moves. You said it learns Hydro Pump because Ho-oh learns Fire Blast which is the polar opposite move. But Ho-oh gets STAB from Fire Blast. Lugia doesn't get STAB from Hydro Pump. Then why does it learn Hydro Pump? It should learn a move that grants it STAB in that slot if Lugia is not meant to be a Water-type.

Kyogre learns Water Spout and gets STAB. Groudon learns Eruption and doesn't. Groudon learns Fissure. Kyogre gets Sheer Cold. Groudon's not Fire and Kyogre's not Ice. So with Ho-oh getting Fire Blast and getting STAB with Lugia getting Hydro Pump without STAB that doesn't mean Lugia should be Water, it just means flavorwise it works.

 

[Zielo]

I don't think gamefreak ever intended for pokemon to call out their names, if that's what you're refering to. In the games, although the sounds really are "glitchy noises" (but getting much more distinctive recently), at least they sound like monster screams.
But also, when you inetract with an overworld pokemon, the speech text contains onomatopoeia, like "Moooo..." and "sqweeee!".

The calling-their-names-thing is definitely the most annoying aspect of the anime and makes no damn sense.. I can understand why the anime department thought this was a good idea though. Because that way kids can more easily remember the names.

oh dear Xd

nah, the 5 people I discuss any pokenews with, all came to the same seeingly obvious conclusion that Sylveon is Normal in every possible way and the ongoing speculations for all the weird types gave us plenty of laughs ;D

True, I never really thought of that. I always look at the franchise as a whole, and forget that its split into sections with completely different people running all the different aspects. The name-speaking thing has become such a huge part of it though and its what im so used to and grew up with, so I really cant say I hate it. It is a little silly though, I'll admit.

Oh, hey. This would explain exactly why that awesome trailer was the way it was. It followed the story of the game, and sure enough, the Pokemon all made animal noises and it sounded so badass. Please bring us more of this, it would mean big things to Pokemon and people could no longer make fun of us for ever watching the anime.

I could swear though, some of the Pokemon dialogue in the games still say their names. Granted, it was probably influenced by the anime, but still. I know the Pikachu you get in Yellow version actually speaks out Pikachu at least, but that was the one game to really follow the anime anyway.

Also, I see Sylveon being Flying just as much as Normal. I sure hope its anything but Normal right now, because then that fake list would have a 1up on it and I can already see my friend being all "I TOLD YOU SO".

Edit: I keep going back to that list and looking at it... there is a Pokemon called Flyby'nyte.. ._.

 

[jynxed]

Edit: I keep going back to that list and looking at it... there is a Pokemon called Flyby'nyte.. ._.

Yeah, that's the supposed Farfetch'd evo, although I think Tal'tail would be way better a name.

 

[Zielo]

I just don't think he needs an evo. We have enough Normal/Flying as it is.

Am I the only one that thinks Dunsparce could be one of those completely useless Pokemon that has a lot of potential and evolves into something epic? Im thinking the first Normal/Dragon.

Maybe its just me. But I might make a fakemon out of it one day.

 

[jynxed]

I've always thought Dunsparce should get a split evo: one where its tail develops and it becomes Normal/Ground and one where its wings develop and it becomes Normal/Flying.

 

[Zielo]

Thats actually a very interesting concept. I like it.

Although, I think it would be better fit for a Pokemon that has two sets of vestigial parts. Dunsparce has pretty much useless wings, but is an avid digger with its drill tail already. I can still see it though.
And the two counter pokemon would be enimies in nature, one thinking its better because it has the ability of flight, and the other thinking its better because of the ability to dig.

 

[Pell_]

Re: RE: (1) Ninfia's English Name: Sylveon [2/14]

I've always thought Dunsparce should get a split evo: one where its tail develops and it becomes Normal/Ground and one where its wings develop and it becomes Normal/Flying.

"Dunsparce will never evolve. It knows too much, Arceus sayeth. And so all the sons of that evesdropper would not develop, and no Dunsparce shall ever evolve"

Did no one read their gospel of Arceus? Pallet, 14.

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[Metalizard]

@PellOfTheTundra: True, Leviathan has different descriptions depending of the mythology, so Kyogre might be the only one that's remotely similar to the myth it is based on. However, Ziz and Behemoth look nothing like Rayquaza and Groudon, as Ziz is a griffin and Behemoth is an ox. This picture shows all three (Leviathan looks like some giant fish or sea serpent, I'm not sure tbh): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Lev-Beh-Ziz.jpg

@jynxed: That's why I think it's weird Groudon isn't part Fire (that and the fact that its signature and only ability is the weather-inducing one that boosts Fire-type moves)... But since Groudon is "the one that expanded Land", I let that pass and understand why it's just Ground. In the case of Lugia, learning Hydro Pump is just another fact that indicates a Water typing would make more sense on Lugia...

Besides, Mitja, you used Rayquaza's Dragon-type as a counter argument when the focus of the weather trio is Land (Ground), Sea (Water) and Sky (Flying) which stays true to the myth they were based on (Rayquaza is only a Dragon-type because they designed it as a Dragon). Lugia is based on a god of the sea and instead they make it a Psychic? You people can keep arguing on and on and say whatever you want, that decision will never make any sense in the entire life of the Pokémon franchise, period. I've gave you various reasons that show Lugia being a Water-type would be the more logical option, you guys haven't given me a single fact or detail that justifies its Psychic-type. None. I rest my case, feels like I'm discussing the "Charizard should be a Dragon-type" thing all over again...

 

[Keeper of Night]

Lugia comes out of an undersea cave = should be Water type.
Ho-oh is found in front of a bell = should be Bell type?

Seriously though, Lugia is fine as psychic type. It's a bird that lives underwater. but that doesn't mean it should be water type. Umbreon sweats poison (according to the pokedex) but it's still only Dark type. There are many other examples, such as Gyarados. It only learns one Flying type move, and that's through event. Yet it's still Flying type and not Dragon, even though it learns many more Dragon type moves.

 

[Kalyst]

@PellOfTheTundra: True, Leviathan has different descriptions depending of the mythology, so Kyogre might be the only one that's remotely similar to the myth it is based on. However, Ziz and Behemoth look nothing like Rayquaza and Groudon, as Ziz is a griffin and Behemoth is an ox. This picture shows all three (Leviathan looks like some giant fish or sea serpent, I'm not sure tbh): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Lev-Beh-Ziz.jpg

@jynxed: That's why I think it's weird Groudon isn't part Fire (that and the fact that its signature and only ability is the weather-inducing one that boosts Fire-type moves)... But since Groudon is "the one that expanded Land", I let that pass and understand why it's just Ground. In the case of Lugia, learning Hydro Pump is just another fact that indicates a Water typing would make more sense on Lugia...

Besides, Mitja, you used Rayquaza's Dragon-type as a counter argument when the focus of the weather trio is Land (Ground), Sea (Water) and Sky (Flying) which stays true to the myth they were based on (Rayquaza is only a Dragon-type because they designed it as a Dragon). Lugia is based on a god of the sea and instead they make it a Psychic? You people can keep arguing on and on and say whatever you want, that decision will never make any sense in the entire life of the Pokémon franchise, period. I've gave you various reasons that show Lugia being a Water-type would be the more logical option, you guys haven't given me a single fact or detail that justifies its Psychic-type. None. I rest my case, feels like I'm discussing the "Charizard should be a Dragon-type" thing all over again...

If we look at the movie, the shots of Lugia swimming underwater show his eyes glowing. Now we can either assume thats because a) it was a design choice since sticking dark moving objects under the sea is ten times more intimidating when accompanied with glowing eyes regardless of whether it makes logical sense or b)it is using its Psychic powers to create currents/waves or using it as a way to breathe. (since apparently his wings around strong enough to blow houses down on land) I mean you could say its that reflective quality or a deep-sea glow but that might be a bit of a stretch. But what about those weird scales that retract before he hits the water? Would those not be "gills"? No. If anything, I feel those are more akin to what swordfishs have and are retractable simply to allow Lugia to swim faster in the currents.

A sea guardian...that can fly...while they obviously did Water/Flying types with Gyrados, it was a sea snake. That couldn't fly. But it could make twisters, shoot lightening and do a bunch of other crazy shenanigans. Well, shouldn't it have been Water/Dragon? But that's not what they decided, they instead went with Water/Flying.

Lugia's weight 476.2 lbs

"It is said that it quietly spends its time deep at the bottom of the sea because its powers are too strong.

Deep Sea Trench= a ton of pressure. Such a body even at that depth would crush under the weight. Sure, maybe it could use Water powers to move the water around it but the more plausible explanation could be a possible shield from it's psychic powers used as a way to protect its vitals while asleep. A guardian of the sea does not necessarily have to be a water type, seeing as how it CAN spend time above water (just chooses not to, how nice)

We can surmise all day and all night why they chose Charizard as Fire/Flying instead of Fire/Dragon or why Lugia isn't Water/ Flying. Yeah it might be a herp-derp decision on Gamefreak's part but it is what it is. Personally though, back on topic, I'd love for it to be a new type but the likelyhood of that seems to be fading by the day D:

 

[Pell_]

Re: RE: (1) Ninfia's English Name: Sylveon [2/14]

@PellOfTheTundra: True, Leviathan has different descriptions depending of the mythology, so Kyogre might be the only one that's remotely similar to the myth it is based on. However, Ziz and Behemoth look nothing like Rayquaza and Groudon, as Ziz is a griffin and Behemoth is an ox. This picture shows all three (Leviathan looks like some giant fish or sea serpent, I'm not sure tbh): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Lev-Beh-Ziz.jpg

@jynxed: That's why I think it's weird Groudon isn't part Fire (that and the fact that its signature and only ability is the weather-inducing one that boosts Fire-type moves)... But since Groudon is "the one that expanded Land", I let that pass and understand why it's just Ground. In the case of Lugia, learning Hydro Pump is just another fact that indicates a Water typing would make more sense on Lugia...

Besides, Mitja, you used Rayquaza's Dragon-type as a counter argument when the focus of the weather trio is Land (Ground), Sea (Water) and Sky (Flying) which stays true to the myth they were based on (Rayquaza is only a Dragon-type because they designed it as a Dragon). Lugia is based on a god of the sea and instead they make it a Psychic? You people can keep arguing on and on and say whatever you want, that decision will never make any sense in the entire life of the Pokémon franchise, period. I've gave you various reasons that show Lugia being a Water-type would be the more logical option, you guys haven't given me a single fact or detail that justifies its Psychic-type. None. I rest my case, feels like I'm discussing the "Charizard should be a Dragon-type" thing all over again...

If we look at the movie, the shots of Lugia swimming underwater show his eyes glowing. Now we can either assume thats because a) it was a design choice since sticking dark moving objects under the sea is ten times more intimidating when accompanied with glowing eyes regardless of whether it makes logical sense or b)it is using its Psychic powers to create currents/waves or using it as a way to breathe. (since apparently his wings around strong enough to blow houses down on land) I mean you could say its that reflective quality or a deep-sea glow but that might be a bit of a stretch. But what about those weird scales that retract before he hits the water? Would those not be "gills"? No. If anything, I feel those are more akin to what swordfishs have and are retractable simply to allow Lugia to swim faster in the currents.

A sea guardian...that can fly...while they obviously did Water/Flying types with Gyrados, it was a sea snake. That couldn't fly. But it could make twisters, shoot lightening and do a bunch of other crazy shenanigans. Well, shouldn't it have been Water/Dragon? But that's not what they decided, they instead went with Water/Flying.

Lugia's weight 476.2 lbs

"It is said that it quietly spends its time deep at the bottom of the sea because its powers are too strong.

Deep Sea Trench= a ton of pressure. Such a body even at that depth would crush under the weight. Sure, maybe it could use Water powers to move the water around it but the more plausible explanation could be a possible shield from it's psychic powers used as a way to protect its vitals while asleep. A guardian of the sea does not necessarily have to be a water type, seeing as how it CAN spend time above water (just chooses not to, how nice)

We can surmise all day and all night why they chose Charizard as Fire/Flying instead of Fire/Dragon or why Lugia isn't Water/ Flying. Yeah it might be a herp-derp decision on Gamefreak's part but it is what it is. Personally though, back on topic, I'd love for it to be a new type but the likelyhood of that seems to be fading by the day D:

Not making Charizard a Dragon type is probably the best design decision they've ever done for the game. Do you know how imbalanced Charizard would be compared to the other two?

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[Keeper of Night]

Not making Charizard a Dragon type is probably the best design decision they've ever done for the game. Do you know how imbalanced Charizard would be compared to the other two?

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Not much worse than Infernape compared to Torterra and Empoleon.

 

[Pell_]

Re: RE: (1) Ninfia's English Name: Sylveon [2/14]

Not making Charizard a Dragon type is probably the best design decision they've ever done for the game. Do you know how imbalanced Charizard would be compared to the other two?

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Not much worse than Infernape compared to Torterra and Empoleon.

Umm, considering both of those can hit Infernape for Supereffect with STAB, the only one REALLY at a disadvantage is Empoleon, who cannot hit Torterra for Supereffect with STAB.

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