Drohn said:
I think he was saying all the other starters, because, psychic-->fighting (froakie will apparently be water fighting), and fire--> grass on chespin. But i could be totally wrong
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I think he was saying all the other starters, because, psychic-->fighting (froakie will apparently be water fighting), and fire--> grass on chespin. But i could be totally wrong
DON'T WORRY FROAKIE FANS! with fennekin having a fire/psychic combo, that means it will have a ton of weaknesses, rock,ground,dark,water,bug and Ghost type Pokemon. Not to mention fire types and psychic types have some of the worst defenses in the game. bad defense+bad defense = really bad defense. Fennekin will most likely have high special attack and special defense with slightly above average speed. Solid hard hitting physical types will make quick work of fennekin and its evolutions; Bulky water types always win in the end. 
Zaqix said:
Poliwrath is not a frog. He is a tadpole. Froakie is a frog.
Retro_on_theGo said:
Hence, "frog" but I wasn't sure if he was technically a tadpole either...but yea, my point still stands, only two Water/Fighting so far...But I also hope they do more types that haven't been done, I like Fire/Normal and Electric/Normal...but I'm hoping for more weird ones like Water/Fire (a steam pokemon) or Fire/Grass (I don't even know) or Steel/Ghost or Fighting/Flying...I could go on and on
vinnie22 said:DON'T WORRY FROAKIE FANS! with fennekin having a fire/psychic combo, that means it will have a ton of weaknesses, rock,ground,dark,water,bug and Ghost type Pokemon. Not to mention fire types and psychic types have some of the worst defenses in the game. bad defense+bad defense = really bad defense. Fennekin will most likely have high special attack and special defense with slightly above average speed. Solid hard hitting physical types will make quick work of fennekin and its evolutions; Bulky water types always win in the end.
Fire/Psychic has 5 weaknesses: Water, Rock, Ground, Dark, and Ghost. Ghost is uncommon, the other 4 are common but the only unpredictable one is rock. Fire/ psychic is an excellent offensive type capable of covering Fighting and steel types which are both extremely common. Also if the rumor is true for Fairy-type, we can expect both Fire and Psychic to boost in defensive usage, think like ferrothorn and Jellicent except replace them with fennekin evo and Hydreigon
Thief said:TheAmazingDerpfish said:Am I the only one that noticed Touch Menus are back?
But that's while looking at your friend catalogue. I think it's not enough to assume that's what it will always look like at the bottom. I would prefer at least the option to turn it off.
Then what are the other buttons for? I think he's right. Touch screens are back Woohoo!
If that IS what he's talking about, then I think he's failed to realize that's the case with ALL of the final-stages according to the source's information.TokyoToots said:
Fire -> Grass -> Water -> Fire
Psychic <- Dark <- Fighting <- Psychic
I just assumed this was on purpose, to make it so at the final stages of evolution would all be able to handle both their original strength AND their original weakness. None of them really have an advantage, as a result of everyone having advantages.
Drohn said:
I guess you're right.
vinnie22 said:DON'T WORRY FROAKIE FANS! with fennekin having a fire/psychic combo, that means it will have a ton of weaknesses, rock,ground,dark,water,bug and Ghost type Pokemon. Not to mention fire types and psychic types have some of the worst defenses in the game. bad defense+bad defense = really bad defense. Fennekin will most likely have high special attack and special defense with slightly above average speed. Solid hard hitting physical types will make quick work of fennekin and its evolutions; Bulky water types always win in the end.
Bug will be regular effect.
Juicer101 said:Drohn said:
I guess you're right.
vinnie22 said:DON'T WORRY FROAKIE FANS! with fennekin having a fire/psychic combo, that means it will have a ton of weaknesses, rock,ground,dark,water,bug and Ghost type Pokemon. Not to mention fire types and psychic types have some of the worst defenses in the game. bad defense+bad defense = really bad defense. Fennekin will most likely have high special attack and special defense with slightly above average speed. Solid hard hitting physical types will make quick work of fennekin and its evolutions; Bulky water types always win in the end.
Bug will be regular effect.
Froakie's evo's weaknesses will be Electric, Grass, Flying, Psychic, and Fairy (If it turns out to be true). So Fennekin's evo's final will have 5 weaknesses and so will Froakie's. Chespin's evo's weaknesses will be Fire, Flying, Bug, Ice, Fighting, and maybe fairy. Fennekin evo has 5, Froakie evo has 5, and Chespin evo will be 6.
Heres a deeper analysis, tho from previosu experience Shiftry dies to everything, Victini is nothing special defensively, and Keldeo is killer.
I wont type down every little bit to some useless Poison resistance, just the parts that actually make a difference.
-Grass/Dark
Bad points:
*quad Bug weakness (altho its the less common bug, having any quad weakness means there is at least one way of ohko-ing the sucker)
*Fight, Fire, Ice weaknesses (any sweeper will have at least one of these moves..) (there will also be fairy weakness it seems, but that wont be coverage priority unless there is some extremely neat move like Scald)
*Grass and Dark for STAB...yeah Ive seen much better.
Good points:
*Psychic immunity (not a very useful one, but at least there is one type it can switch safely into)
*Ground resistance (resisting at least this one is very good)
In other words, focusing on defense too much would be a waste since anything it doesnt die to will definitely have something else to do the job (if you have EQ u also have something else for all the stuff immune to it thats gonna come your way). But on the other hand, Grass and Dark aren't desirable STABs either, but at least its a bit better than being stuck with just Grass STAB (ew).
So unfortunately Chespin won't really be having more fun than any previous Grass starter.
-Fire/Psy
Bad points:
*Ground and Rock weakness (ouch. the 2 most common types of moves out there)
*Stealth rock weakness is never cool (unless GF does some serious nerfing, sadly no one was smart enough to ask about it at the roundtable lol)
Good points:
*resists Fight and Ice (these are handy)
*Fire STAB ain't bad
Big problems getting on the field alive. This better be fast and strong, otherwise no good.
-Water/Fight
Bad points:
*nothing really to fear besides Electric perhaps (wait thats a good point isnt it lol..)
Good points:
*Fighting STAB oh yeah.
*Rock and Ice resistance are always nice
Great type combo. At least one of them. Water is always tougher to bring down, coupled with a Fighting STAB, Froakie should be useful in some way regardless what its stats are focused on.
Also keep in mind that starters stats never go into absurdly high numbers (about one stat 120 tops), and they always have both attack stats at least in the ~80 to make them more fun without much knowledge of the games, and the only stat that ever really drops to low numbers (which would enable better stats in the rest) is speed.
In other words, starters are most of the time hybrid mixed offense, which is very easily instant "meh" in 1v1 unless it has terrific speed or an awesome hidden ability....
I wont type down every little bit to some useless Poison resistance, just the parts that actually make a difference.
-Grass/Dark
Bad points:
*quad Bug weakness (altho its the less common bug, having any quad weakness means there is at least one way of ohko-ing the sucker)
*Fight, Fire, Ice weaknesses (any sweeper will have at least one of these moves..) (there will also be fairy weakness it seems, but that wont be coverage priority unless there is some extremely neat move like Scald)
*Grass and Dark for STAB...yeah Ive seen much better.
Good points:
*Psychic immunity (not a very useful one, but at least there is one type it can switch safely into)
*Ground resistance (resisting at least this one is very good)
In other words, focusing on defense too much would be a waste since anything it doesnt die to will definitely have something else to do the job (if you have EQ u also have something else for all the stuff immune to it thats gonna come your way). But on the other hand, Grass and Dark aren't desirable STABs either, but at least its a bit better than being stuck with just Grass STAB (ew).
So unfortunately Chespin won't really be having more fun than any previous Grass starter.
-Fire/Psy
Bad points:
*Ground and Rock weakness (ouch. the 2 most common types of moves out there)
*Stealth rock weakness is never cool (unless GF does some serious nerfing, sadly no one was smart enough to ask about it at the roundtable lol)
Good points:
*resists Fight and Ice (these are handy)
*Fire STAB ain't bad
Big problems getting on the field alive. This better be fast and strong, otherwise no good.
-Water/Fight
Bad points:
*nothing really to fear besides Electric perhaps (wait thats a good point isnt it lol..)
Good points:
*Fighting STAB oh yeah.
*Rock and Ice resistance are always nice
Great type combo. At least one of them. Water is always tougher to bring down, coupled with a Fighting STAB, Froakie should be useful in some way regardless what its stats are focused on.
Also keep in mind that starters stats never go into absurdly high numbers (about one stat 120 tops), and they always have both attack stats at least in the ~80 to make them more fun without much knowledge of the games, and the only stat that ever really drops to low numbers (which would enable better stats in the rest) is speed.
In other words, starters are most of the time hybrid mixed offense, which is very easily instant "meh" in 1v1 unless it has terrific speed or an awesome hidden ability....
Chespin better hope for a good hidden ability or some great defense investment which i can see happening with it being based on a hedgehog and all.
Fennekin should hope this gen doesn't include a round about 100 accuracy rock-type move, especially not a rock priority move.
Froakie just needs to sit there and beg this gen to not introduce a heap of competitively endowed grass-types, Azumarill already poses a potential problem for him.
Fennekin should hope this gen doesn't include a round about 100 accuracy rock-type move, especially not a rock priority move.
Froakie just needs to sit there and beg this gen to not introduce a heap of competitively endowed grass-types, Azumarill already poses a potential problem for him.
I hope that Froakie turns out to be based on Jiraiya, a ninja from Japanese folklore that could morph into a toad. It would make sense if he's a Fighting type like the leaker claims.
So in the Gen VI Speed is the most important thing to choose in starters.