2012? What do you think? Is it true?
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I personally haven't heard of any other civilization that predicted it. Just persons and religions (How many times did the earth die according to the Jahovas?).
My internet's down for a day and people are claiming the flood happened left and right ._.
I just want to get this out of the way:
The Grand Canyon was formed by the Colorado river, it meanders like a normal river. Floods form practically straight canyons, the Grand Canyon is EVERYTHING BUT straight. Eevee, I suggest you learn at least a tiny bit about geology before making outrageous claims like that.
By the way, How in the world could a flood drainage channel have 90 degree turns? There's a massive amount of water forcing its way through, I don't see it making a 90 degree turn for any reason...
A river, however, has a lot less force behind it, so it follows the lowest path, in which case a 90 degree turn is perfectly possible. The Grand Canyon not only has 90 degree turns, it also has quite a lot of meanders (why would a flood make omage-shapes like that?), there's no way a flood could've formed that.
If the Grand Canyon were the result of a global flood, wouldn't we expect to see them all over the place, BTW?
There, that wasn't hard, was it? Have some youtube videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sD_7rxYoZY&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfSvktyxVYA&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wa_ey3jGPs&feature=channel_page
(Very mild usage of "bad words" in 2nd and 3th)
I just want to get this out of the way:
The Grand Canyon was formed by the Colorado river, it meanders like a normal river. Floods form practically straight canyons, the Grand Canyon is EVERYTHING BUT straight. Eevee, I suggest you learn at least a tiny bit about geology before making outrageous claims like that.
By the way, How in the world could a flood drainage channel have 90 degree turns? There's a massive amount of water forcing its way through, I don't see it making a 90 degree turn for any reason...
A river, however, has a lot less force behind it, so it follows the lowest path, in which case a 90 degree turn is perfectly possible. The Grand Canyon not only has 90 degree turns, it also has quite a lot of meanders (why would a flood make omage-shapes like that?), there's no way a flood could've formed that.
If the Grand Canyon were the result of a global flood, wouldn't we expect to see them all over the place, BTW?
There, that wasn't hard, was it? Have some youtube videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sD_7rxYoZY&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfSvktyxVYA&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wa_ey3jGPs&feature=channel_page
(Very mild usage of "bad words" in 2nd and 3th)
Lolwut @ Spoons vids. Why does it come across as tfoot? tuntuntuduuhtun
Anyways, I remember seeing a really elaborate program on National Geographic on how the Grand Canyon was formed. I doubt I'll ever find it tho.
Anyways, I remember seeing a really elaborate program on National Geographic on how the Grand Canyon was formed. I doubt I'll ever find it tho.
They're both British and have a functional brain?afstandopleren said:
lol, that must be it. XD If I could only quote some stuff said in the vid, I am ROFLOL as I watch the vids.
http://www.answersingenesis.org? SERIOUSLY? KEN HAM? SERIOUSLY?
The dude should be in jail for childhood indoctrination ._.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arMGLixFse4&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwcJonq0vd4&feature=channel_page
(to be fair, I didn't watch these in full, mainly because Ken Ham's logic is so very face-palm silly it's basically an intellectual torture to watch it, even when being debunked (which, to be fair, isn't hard)).
Did you even watch the videos? I don't see how you can even think Ken possesses any form of credibility...
Did you ever see his speeches? "Did your grandfather look like this?", and he shows a picture of a non-human ape. He knows evolution doesn't work like this, and he knows that he's setting up a MAJOR strawman, IN FRONT OF CHILDREN. That has to be the lowest a human being can sink.
Some vids about morals while I'm at it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w309hbGVH6A&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyd6om8IC4M&feature=PlayList&p=AC3481305829426D&index=28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf3_JGgj4h4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsMfn88ZA8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaOVPaYf780
These dudes are A LOT more knowledgeable than me, so I think letting them talk is better.
That's all the ones I can think of off the bat, there's more videos around if you want them.
BTW, give me ONE, and I mean ONE not mentally challenged atheist who ever killed a handicapped person. They don't, which is why your premise is obviously flawed.
I waste too much time on youtube ._.
The dude should be in jail for childhood indoctrination ._.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arMGLixFse4&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwcJonq0vd4&feature=channel_page
(to be fair, I didn't watch these in full, mainly because Ken Ham's logic is so very face-palm silly it's basically an intellectual torture to watch it, even when being debunked (which, to be fair, isn't hard)).
Did you even watch the videos? I don't see how you can even think Ken possesses any form of credibility...
Did you ever see his speeches? "Did your grandfather look like this?", and he shows a picture of a non-human ape. He knows evolution doesn't work like this, and he knows that he's setting up a MAJOR strawman, IN FRONT OF CHILDREN. That has to be the lowest a human being can sink.
Some vids about morals while I'm at it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w309hbGVH6A&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyd6om8IC4M&feature=PlayList&p=AC3481305829426D&index=28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf3_JGgj4h4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsMfn88ZA8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaOVPaYf780
These dudes are A LOT more knowledgeable than me, so I think letting them talk is better.
That's all the ones I can think of off the bat, there's more videos around if you want them.
BTW, give me ONE, and I mean ONE not mentally challenged atheist who ever killed a handicapped person. They don't, which is why your premise is obviously flawed.
I waste too much time on youtube ._.
eevee said:
Say what? Of course it's not okay, even sane people think that that's wrong, even if they don't believe in God. HELLO WE ARE SANE FUNCTIONING PEOPLE HERE RIGHT?
Fine, I'll be 'ignorant', believe in your God to have some faith that there is actually still something good beyond humanity. >_>
If you believe in God, it's because of the Devil. *music starts to swell*
If you want to talk about childhood indoctrination,what about evolution?Evolution is everywhere.It is in schools,on TV,in books,etc.Give me one example where creation is allowed in public schools and is treated as science instead of religion.If you want to call creation a religion,you going to have to call evolution a religion.Both required a lot of faith to believe in.We both have the same evidence;we just have different interpretations of the evidence.I believe God created while you believe an explosion happened out of nothing.Heavenly Spoon :F said:
Evolution is accepted by over 95% of the biologists, NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING in genetics, biology or pantheology makes sense, except in the light of evolution. Evolution is a FACT, whether you believe it or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnCJqDa1us&feature=channel_page
Just an example (watch the entire playlist)
I could give you a million more vids, as well as give you a decent discussion about this, if you'd like. Feel free to ask me anything, I guess I'll just hijack this thread then
I just can't stand it when someone is so willfully ignorant (or just plain old indoctrinated) to believe in something as downright silly as creationism)
BTW, watch the vids...
And see the update in my previous post.
Also: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=126AFB53A6F002CC
Best. Playlist. Ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnCJqDa1us&feature=channel_page
Just an example (watch the entire playlist)
I could give you a million more vids, as well as give you a decent discussion about this, if you'd like. Feel free to ask me anything, I guess I'll just hijack this thread then
I just can't stand it when someone is so willfully ignorant (or just plain old indoctrinated) to believe in something as downright silly as creationism)
BTW, watch the vids...
And see the update in my previous post.
Also: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=126AFB53A6F002CC
Best. Playlist. Ever.
@HSFafstandopleren said:
Oh really,evolutionists in biology believed for a long time the appendix was just a leftover from one of our many mutations.But then they found out recently the appendix may harbor and protect bacteria that are beneficial in the function of the human colon.Also the appendix is experimentally verified as being rich in infection-fighting lymphoid cells, suggesting that it might play a role in the immune system
OMG, you have just completely disproved evolution, including the evidence in genetics, the fossil records, morphology, and so on ._.
Don't be silly. Science can be wrong, and it knows it can be, it's not dogmatic, unlike religion.
Dude, do some research. At least watch ONE of the vids, preferably the last one in my last post: http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=57563&pid=1229589#pid1229589
Or this: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DB23537556D7AADB
Just watch them, please, for the sake of yourself and the rest of humanity.
Hitler was a Lamarckian evolutionist (do the research)... and a Christian, as well as pretty much all of the nazis. "Gott mit uns"
Don't be silly. Science can be wrong, and it knows it can be, it's not dogmatic, unlike religion.
Dude, do some research. At least watch ONE of the vids, preferably the last one in my last post: http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=57563&pid=1229589#pid1229589
Or this: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DB23537556D7AADB
Just watch them, please, for the sake of yourself and the rest of humanity.
Hitler was a Lamarckian evolutionist (do the research)... and a Christian, as well as pretty much all of the nazis. "Gott mit uns"
Oh man, this is start to look something like this;
If you're assuming there's such a thing as dark, are you not assuming there's such a thing as night?
By assuming there is such a thing as night, are you not assuming there is such a thing as day?
By assuming there is such a thing as day, are you not assuming there is such a thing as sunrise?
If you accepted there is such a thing as sunrise then you must accept that there is a supernatural all-powerfull being lifting the sun in the air on a giant jack.
If god is not jacking it there is no sunrise. If there is no sunrise there is no light, if there's no light there is no dark, so what is your question.
^ btw one of the most epic fails of the whole creationism, and made by Ravi Zacharias, well Thunderf00t helped him...
Anyway, creationists should not make dumb theories which maybe do work on one thing and immediately confirming it as the truth... like this:
There was a scientist researching spiders, he putted a spider on a table and said: Run!. And the spider started to walk. He pulled off two legs of the spider putted it back again on the table and said again: Run! and the spider still moved forward with six legs. He repeated this again. And again, the spider even managed to crawl with only two legs. Then the scientist pulled off its last two legs placed the spider back on table and said again: Run!. The spider didn't react so he wrote in his report: ''Spiders without legs can't hear.''
Do you understand it? You can make dumb theories but that doesn't proof your god does exist, so again, do you have a confirmation your god does exist?
If you're assuming there's such a thing as dark, are you not assuming there's such a thing as night?
By assuming there is such a thing as night, are you not assuming there is such a thing as day?
By assuming there is such a thing as day, are you not assuming there is such a thing as sunrise?
If you accepted there is such a thing as sunrise then you must accept that there is a supernatural all-powerfull being lifting the sun in the air on a giant jack.
If god is not jacking it there is no sunrise. If there is no sunrise there is no light, if there's no light there is no dark, so what is your question.
^ btw one of the most epic fails of the whole creationism, and made by Ravi Zacharias, well Thunderf00t helped him...
Anyway, creationists should not make dumb theories which maybe do work on one thing and immediately confirming it as the truth... like this:
There was a scientist researching spiders, he putted a spider on a table and said: Run!. And the spider started to walk. He pulled off two legs of the spider putted it back again on the table and said again: Run! and the spider still moved forward with six legs. He repeated this again. And again, the spider even managed to crawl with only two legs. Then the scientist pulled off its last two legs placed the spider back on table and said again: Run!. The spider didn't react so he wrote in his report: ''Spiders without legs can't hear.''
Do you understand it? You can make dumb theories but that doesn't proof your god does exist, so again, do you have a confirmation your god does exist?
Pokequaza, that's Thunderf00t's parody. Ravi's claim is similar, but with good and evil.
Didn't I link to that specific video in this thread? I might've in the list of morals vids.
Didn't I link to that specific video in this thread? I might've in the list of morals vids.
Do you have absolute proof God isn't real?Pokequaza said:
I gave you some proof that God exists a couple of posts ago.
If you want to talk about dumb theories,explain to me how if there was nothing at all how can something go boom?Don't you have to have somethings to make an explosion?
@HSF
Sorry,I tried watching some your videos but my computer kept slowing down.Could you tell me what the videos are?
Edit P.S.Don't you think we should move this discussion into another thread so we don't get in trouble?
^ Well you are arguing with a super mod so I don't think you will get in trouble , anyway the video gives a detailed description as to how the universe began and systematically proves the big bang and evolution using evidence and equations. It is a very good starting point for a beginner to understand so you should look into it.
Anyway just warning you now, HS is going to destroy your beliefs
, anyway the video gives a detailed description as to how the universe began and systematically proves the big bang and evolution using evidence and equations. It is a very good starting point for a beginner to understand so you should look into it. Anyway just warning you now, HS is going to destroy your beliefs
Describing what is in all the videos? ._.
Just wait until it works...
"If you want to talk about dumb theories,explain to me how if there was nothing at all how can something go boom?"
Who says this? PLEASE do some research on the Big Bang Theory instead of just attacking a strawman for no reason.
On the other hand, religion does state that nothing was formed into something by something which has seemingly no beginning, which seems a lot more unbelievable than nothing booming into something.
What happened before the Big Bang is unknown, but we have been able to calculate the state of the universe at about 0.000 000 000 1 seconds after the big bang. The world was a highly dense (think singularity), highly energetic thing containing all matter and time, and which, because of the high energy, rapidly expanded (and still is). Nothing went boom, it was just the expansion of spacetime.
This seems weird, but quantum physics, relativity and everything like that is just weird, and beyond human comprehension. It works, which is why it science, but it sure doesn't make any sense...
Now, what came before the Big Bang is an unknown, and because you said this, you will probably say something along the lines of "well, what if God came before the Big Bang?" But then, what came before God? It's playing a shell-game, there's no point in, because you do not know how something formed, claiming it was formed by something for which you have no evidence, and for which you have no explenation for its creation as well. Just forget about the last (and unnecessary) step, and say you don't know how the singularity formed.
BTW, there are numerous theories which explain the Big Bang, one of which is the multiverse (which would also explain some other stuff).
This post but way better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANtpsunRYIs&feature=channel_page
Just wait until it works...
"If you want to talk about dumb theories,explain to me how if there was nothing at all how can something go boom?"
Who says this? PLEASE do some research on the Big Bang Theory instead of just attacking a strawman for no reason.
On the other hand, religion does state that nothing was formed into something by something which has seemingly no beginning, which seems a lot more unbelievable than nothing booming into something.
What happened before the Big Bang is unknown, but we have been able to calculate the state of the universe at about 0.000 000 000 1 seconds after the big bang. The world was a highly dense (think singularity), highly energetic thing containing all matter and time, and which, because of the high energy, rapidly expanded (and still is). Nothing went boom, it was just the expansion of spacetime.
This seems weird, but quantum physics, relativity and everything like that is just weird, and beyond human comprehension. It works, which is why it science, but it sure doesn't make any sense...
Now, what came before the Big Bang is an unknown, and because you said this, you will probably say something along the lines of "well, what if God came before the Big Bang?" But then, what came before God? It's playing a shell-game, there's no point in, because you do not know how something formed, claiming it was formed by something for which you have no evidence, and for which you have no explenation for its creation as well. Just forget about the last (and unnecessary) step, and say you don't know how the singularity formed.
BTW, there are numerous theories which explain the Big Bang, one of which is the multiverse (which would also explain some other stuff).
This post but way better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANtpsunRYIs&feature=channel_page
Yes I know it's from Thunderf00t, Ravi's claim something different, but same concept. And I said, ''with a bit help of Thunderf00t'' (that was sarcasm).Heavenly Spoon :F said:
Well, didn;t see all your links, most vids of TF I've already seen more than once so ^^'