2012? What do you think? Is it true?

2012 claim?

  • True.

    Votes: 10 9.2%
  • False.

    Votes: 99 90.8%

  • Total voters
    109
Along with the solar flares, I saw a video on youtube called the longest night about 12/21/12 where the world was in chaos, and that may be where the idea for it came from. Maybe a solar flare will wipe out a lot of the Earth's communications, causing worldwide chaos for several days.
And, who knows, maybe the moon will affect the Earth's poles along with the sun. Anything is possible.
 
Muddy68 said:
And, who knows, maybe the moon will affect the Earth's poles along with the sun. Anything is possible.
Uhm... then it's possible they cause the poles switching now too... every time.
 
When I was watching the History Channel one night they were talking about this "Death Star" called WR 104 which is 8,000 light years from Earth and some people think that sometime in the future (who knows when) that a Gamma Ray Burst from WR 104 might collide with our planet.

Whether or not it might happen on 2012 is anyone's guess but there's a very slim chance that it'll cause a GRB to hit our planet. So it's nothing to lose any sleep over, I think we'll be okay.
 
Card Slinger J said:
When I was watching the History Channel one night they were talking about this "Death Star" called WR 104 which is 8,000 light years from Earth and some people think that sometime in the future (who knows when) that a Gamma Ray Burst from WR 104 might collide with our planet.

Whether or not it might happen on 2012 is anyone's guess but there's a very slim chance that it'll cause a GRB to hit our planet. So it's nothing to lose any sleep over, I think we'll be okay.
Not much to worry about now ;) Since it's 8000 light years from us away, the Gamma Rays would take at least 8000 light years to get near us. And Gamma Rays travel slower than light (If I'm right), so it would take even more longer. I can't find much of the age of the stars, otherwise we would be able to calculate a possibly date...
 
Yeah, but when it does hit, in around 40 days, the entire Earth would be dead except for some very small organisms. And Pokequaza, what do you mean by every time?
 
Muddy68 said:
Yeah, but when it does hit, in around 40 days, the entire Earth would be dead except for some very small organisms. And Pokequaza, what do you mean by every time?
True, if the Sun, at this moment, not isn't exploded yet, we've at least 8000 years. But it could be possible it exploded 7800 years ago and we'll see the star dissappear in 200 years... then we know we're in real trouble...

Anyway, you said: ''maybe the moon will affect the Earth's poles along with the sun''. Why could they only make the poles switching in 2012? The Moon and the Sun are always around us, so they could cause pole switching any time then (sorry I meant ''any''). And since the Sun doesn't move (compared to our Solar System) and the Moon rotates around the Earth in 28 days, the Moon and the Sun's positions are in any possible combination every 28 days. So what makes you think in 2012 they would switch the poles? For me the gravity of the center of the Galaxy isn't enough to cause something like this here on Earth, it causes the Earth to move that's for sure, but nothing more.
 
What I mean by that is the rare cosmic alignment that happens on that date where the sun, moon, Earth, and the center of the galaxy are in perfect alignment. This could cause it because all of the forces of gravity working together.
This alignment will also cause planet wide darkness due to the moon blocking out the sun.
 
Muddy68 said:
What I mean by that is the rare cosmic alignment that happens on that date where the sun, moon, Earth, and the center of the galaxy are in perfect alignment. This could cause it because all of the forces of gravity working together.
This alignment will also cause planet wide darkness due to the moon blocking out the sun.
Well I highly doubt that will happen... but still... Anyway what resource did say the Moon will be ligned up too? It only says the Sun, Earth and the center of the Galaxy will be ligned up.
 
Maybe I misheard what they said on the History Channel. I thought that the moon was then supposed to align with the sun and plunge the planet into darkness.
If not, then what would cause the darkness part?
 
afstandopleren said:
There are 1 or 2 planets between the Earth and the Sun, causing a eclipse of there is an alignment.
Mercury and Venus won't cause an eclips, they're way too small. Only the Moon is able to cause a full eclips. Anyway, I haven't found any evidence of one of them being alligned too, only the Sun, Earth and the center of the Galaxy.

Edit: According to ''my'' calculation (I can be wrong, my calculator started doing weird and had to figure out how to write all those large numbers...) anyway there's a chance of 1 in 3,6 quintillion that will happen (perfectly alligning of the Moon, Earth, Sun and the center of the galaxy). And the Sun living for a 31,5 quadrillion seconds, it's roughly a chance of 1 in 115,5 this event will ever happen in whole the Sun's life.

Recalculated it for sure in Binary and I get only a chance of 1 in 1,8 quintillion (half of what I got first) But first I calculated it normal, transferred it to Binary and back... And I got 3,6 quintillion. Still 1 in 1,8 quintillion is only a chance of 1 in 57,8 (1,73%) this will ever happen in the Sun's life.

Ah well, it's probably full of mistakes so don't mind, but this is the farest I got.
Muddy68 said:
Maybe I misheard what they said on the History Channel. I thought that the moon was then supposed to align with the sun and plunge the planet into darkness.
If not, then what would cause the darkness part?
Are you sure? Not even the Moon can cause full darkness on the planet...
 
I can't believe you posting just to say that you can't believe this thread is still going on while helping it stay around longer without adding any sort of useful info.

Does anyone remember this nu from Belgium that has this cult of sorts going on with people training to survive the end of days.?
 
Muddy68 said:
Maybe I misheard what they said on the History Channel. I thought that the moon was then supposed to align with the sun and plunge the planet into darkness.
If not, then what would cause the darkness part?

~_~ That's a solar eclipse dummy.

Anyway, it will not happen. If you want to die, go plunge off a cliff or something. Don't wait for this.
 
Brawler said:
~_~ That's a solar eclipse dummy.

Anyway, it will not happen. If you want to die, go plunge off a cliff or something. Don't wait for this.
No that isn't a Solar Eclipse. A Solar Eclipse doesn't cover the whole planet in darkness, only a certain area.

@afstandopleren, yes I've heard about that cult... probably some weird people without a life, so they spend their lifes training for the end of their lifes... doesn't make that much sense, right?
 
Well, sadly they are alive technically...because they breath and stuff.....but yeah, I get what you mean. Those idiots have let fear get the upper hand. The whole thing has sadly turned into a cult, luring the blinded into a trap. Oh, am I gonna laugh when 'nothing' happens.
 
You missed the whole point of what you quoted. I used that example to show if we just evolved how do we know what is right or wrong? Where did the information come from? Isn't evolution pretty much all about survival of the fittest? So shouldn't the weak die off so evolution can take its course and produce stronger animals?

Can you prove God doesn't exist?

Sexual orientation is not necessarily determined by genes. It is a controversial hypothesis open to much debate.

Also,I and people like me would never commit or endorse murders of gays,abortion doctors,or any others with whom we disagree. Murder is condemned as sin in the Bible.

What happens after a major flood? Does the water stay where it is? No, it slowly recedes. All of the land masses on the earth show clear evidence of massive water drainage. Just view the photos from the NASA satellites.

For your melted iceberg part, the oceans won't rise that much. Maybe a couple of inches but not much. The reason why is the icebergs have already displaced their weight in the water. It is just like filling a glass of water with ice and the ice melts. The cup doesn't overflow with water. Instead it pretty much stays at the same level it was at when the ice was still frozen.

The worst thing I would ever ask Jesus to do to you would be to change your mind about what you think. I would never go around asking Jesus to smite people just because they don't agree with me. The most precious gift God has given to all of us is our free will. He will never force you to believe a certain way. He presents you with evidence of Himself all through creation. It is up to you how you interpret it. You look at millions of dead things buried in sediment all over the world and see minute changes brought on by evolution. I see the history of the Genesis flood recorded for all to see. The flood could not have been local as it covered the highest mountains on those fascinating tectonic plates you mentioned. We could both argue with each other for eternity, each trying to use the physical world and all its components to convince the other of the validity of our points, but that is really where it all comes to a head. What is our particular interpretation of the evidence?

My question is, why are you cutting yourself off from the spiritual part of your being? You should be just as determined to find out as much as you can about the possibilities of your spiritual life as you are to try to explain your physical world. Intelligence demands to know the reason for its existence. Be curious. Check Him out. Think for yourself. Ask many, many questions. If you really search for Him with an open mind and spirit, He will be more than happy to meet you. There are many atheists who disliked Christians and God. They set out to disprove His existence and the Bible only to find their path led them right to Him. I would suggest the author, Josh McDowell and his book,Evidence that Demands a Verdict and read Confessions of a Former Atheist by John UpChurch as a starting point. Use your intelligence and prove them wrong or prove them right but let it be you that does the thinking and honest searching.
 
eevee said:
You missed the whole point of what you quoted. I used that example to show if we just evolved how do we know what is right or wrong? Where did the information come from? Isn't evolution pretty much all about survival of the fittest? So shouldn't the weak die off so evolution can take its course and produce stronger animals?
Ah, let's take Thunderf00t's example of the piranhas. They're known as ''killing machines'' right? They don't believe in a god and still they don't kill eachother, where do they get their moral code of not killing eachother from then?

Can you prove God doesn't exist?
Why do believers/creationists always ask this. Let's put it the other way: Can you prove God does exist?

Sexual orientation is not necessarily determined by genes. It is a controversial hypothesis open to much debate.

Also,I and people like me would never commit or endorse murders of gays,abortion doctors,or any others with whom we disagree. Murder is condemned as sin in the Bible.
And the Bible is written by some people who didn't even know the Earth was round...

What happens after a major flood? Does the water stay where it is? No, it slowly recedes. All of the land masses on the earth show clear evidence of massive water drainage. Just view the photos from the NASA satellites.
If there was a massive flood the water would still be where it is, the pressure of the water wouldn't allow the sand to be loose enough to ''escape'' in the ground. Like why are there still oceans then?

For your melted iceberg part, the oceans won't rise that much. Maybe a couple of inches but not much. 3 metres or about 10 foot... The reason why is the icebergs have already displaced their weight in the water. It is just like filling a glass of water with ice and the ice melts. The cup doesn't overflow with water. Instead it pretty much stays at the same level it was at when the ice was still frozen.
Because the density of ice is only a little bit more than water, although it still rises, only a very little bit, almost unnoticable. And still most of the ice is on land > Antartica...

The worst thing I would ever ask Jesus to do to you would be to change your mind about what you think. I would never go around asking Jesus to smite people just because they don't agree with me. No of course not, because he can't, he's dead... If he ever existed... The most precious gift God has given to all of us is our free will. He will never force you to believe a certain way. He presents you with evidence of Himself all through creation. blablabla... It is up to you how you interpret it. You look at millions of dead things buried in sediment all over the world and see minute changes brought on by evolution. I see the history of the Genesis flood recorded for all to see. The flood could not have been local as it covered the highest mountains on those fascinating tectonic plates you mentioned. We could both argue with each other for eternity, each trying to use the physical world and all its components to convince the other of the validity of our points, but that is really where it all comes to a head. What is our particular interpretation of the evidence?
You know what the main difference is between evolution and creation. Well first of all, evolution or science is not a religion, neither is ''Darwinism'', you don't believe in science, you must accept it because you have to deal with it every day. Secondly, for accepting evolution you must know something about Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Mathematics, Geology, History, Paleontology, and even Society and Economy for the evolution of the human... For ''believing'' in Creationism you don't have to know anything, just say: ''God did it.'' That's the problem with most people, they think it's too complicated to understand, don't want to understand and for their own easyness they label the name ''God'' on it...

Btw, it's called Evolution Theory, so it's already been proven...


My question is, why are you cutting yourself off from the spiritual part of your being? You should be just as determined to find out as much as you can about the possibilities of your spiritual life as you are to try to explain your physical world. Where are you talking about?... Intelligence demands to know the reason for its existence. Be curious. Check Him out. Think for yourself. Ask many, many questions. If you really search for Him with an open mind and spirit, He will be more than happy to meet you. ._. yeah! Just like meeting the Tooth Fairy? There are many atheists who disliked Christians and God. You can't dislike something that doesn't exist... They set out to disprove His existence and the Bible only to find their path led them right to Him. I would suggest the author, Josh McDowell and his book,Evidence that Demands a Verdict and read Confessions of a Former Atheist by John UpChurch as a starting point. Use your intelligence and prove them wrong or prove them right but let it be you that does the thinking and honest searching.
...huh... I don't get the last part... But do you really think I'm going to search for my answers on the holy ''Answers in Genesis''? No... why does every creationist/believer in god, link to answersingenesis?
 
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