#4: Is intelligent design a viable argument for the existence of God?

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Forum Shark said:
afstandopleren said:
Humans are far from perfect. I honestly think humans are the most flawed species as we have started to depend on our own inventions like electricity, law and some other things. Why can't God just snap a finger and make us the perfect beings that we think we ought to be? If he created us in his image, then sure God must be incredibly imperfect as well. =O
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No, we are created in God's image, but you must not take this literally. It means we have the ablility to love and have sympathy. Among other things. Also, if God did that, then Jesus' dying on the cross would be pointless! God gave us free wil.
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Uhh... whut?! Other animals (yes we're too animals) know things such as love and sympathy too, most animals know less the farther you go back in evolution, like a snail doesn't know love, but mammals, birds do know... sounds like evolution doesn't it...?

Anyway as asked before, can anyone give me a few good reasons why god DOES exist?
 
No one can proof it. Therefor, no one will answer that question because it will make people's faith a lie.
 
Okay, I'll grant you that. I should have been clearer. Animals do not have souls. That's probably the main difference.
 
afstandopleren said:
No one can proof it. Therefor, no one will answer that question because it will make people's faith a lie.
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I think you're right...

Forum Shark said:
Okay, I'll grant you that. I should have been clearer. Animals do not have souls. That's probably the main difference.
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What do you call a soul? We are animals too! And chimps have almost the same feelings/senses, the only different is they can't understand gestures and they can't predict very well what the other is thinking. Further than that we're almost the same as chimps.
 
Pokequaza said:
kashmaster said:
@ Noobnerd, Did I say that prove God's existence if evolution is wrong? You could find a million reasons why there is a God and a million why there isn't

@ Heavenly Spoon, I did say 'may', It looks like in western countries that people are trying to avoid having children as it is a 'burden'.

So a dominant gene can also stop evolution?

Finally I never said I refuse to get it, I get it but don't believe, it is my opinion and nothing you say can change that :p
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Can you give me a few reasons why god does exist? Because I don't know one... And ''the bible says'' isn't a good reason...
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Well I would say through miracles, prayer and hope that I can experience God. Also I was just trying to say that evolution is by no means an argument you can fully base God upon.


@ Forum Shark, why can't an animal have a soul, everyone does if we all are animals.

Finally we are not created in God's image, we are far from perfect, whilst his state is perfect.
 
kashmaster said:
Well I would say through miracles, prayer and hope that I can experience God. Also I was just trying to say that evolution is by no means an argument you can fully base God upon.


@ Forum Shark, why can't an animal have a soul, everyone does if we all are animals.

Finally we are not created in God's image, we are far from perfect, whilst his state is perfect.
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Still not an answer on the question...? But what miracles do you mean exactly?
 
miracles are things that we can't believe it happened whilst it did. It just tells you how small minded people are....or short sighted. Whatever applies best.
 
Pokequaza said:
kashmaster said:
Well I would say through miracles, prayer and hope that I can experience God. Also I was just trying to say that evolution is by no means an argument you can fully base God upon.


@ Forum Shark, why can't an animal have a soul, everyone does if we all are animals.

Finally we are not created in God's image, we are far from perfect, whilst his state is perfect.
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Still not an answer on the question...? But what miracles do you mean exactly?
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lol I did answer your question, you may not understand it but it isn't my fault.

When I pray I can feel God around me and he is listening to my prayer

When I hope or wish for something, it actually works most of the time :)

This is not circumstance as it has happened numerous times.

Miracles are things that would never happen in a scientific world but some how occur.

This is not an attack at science, I am meerly presenting my ideas on God :)
 
afstandopleren said:
miracles are things that we can't believe it happened whilst it did. It just tells you how small minded people are...or short sighted. Whatever applies best.
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well, yes i know, but i want some examples...

EDIT: hmm... maybe this is again a ''god-related thing'' that can't be explained, since nobody can give a good example of a miracle by god, and no praying i don't count as miracle...
 
A few people recover from incurable diseases is an instance. Some aren't seen by us as it is a personal experience most of the time
 
kashmaster said:
A few people recover from incurable diseases is an instance. Some aren't seen by us as it is a personal experience most of the time
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Of course people can recover from ''incurable'' diseases, (first to note we've medicins and such) but they're called ''incurable'' because it's believed to be incurable. Also our immune system can be an explanation of this, some have very good immune systems and they've the will to live, they don't want to die. People with a stronger will, will survive more diseases than other people.

So this has nothing to do with god, and why would he cure only 1 people at the time, while he can save many people from as example a crashing airplane...?
 
It's all in the mind, not in the eye. I can't even begin to explain what you can do with some mindsets.

That there is more between this thing called 'heaven' and earth is something we currently can't test yet somehow, we know that there is something in between. But to call it God just because you feel someone around you like a ghost is a bit weird to me.
 
Pokequaza said:
kashmaster said:
A few people recover from incurable diseases is an instance. Some aren't seen by us as it is a personal experience most of the time
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Of course people can recover from ''incurable'' diseases, (first to note we've medicins and such) but they're called ''incurable'' because it's believed to be incurable. Also our immune system can be an explanation of this, some have very good immune systems and they've the will to live, they don't want to die. People with a stronger will, will survive more diseases than other people.

So this has nothing to do with god, and why would he cure only 1 people at the time, while he can save many people from as example a crashing airplane...?
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Well if you actually read through the major religions, God is not allowed to intervene with the Earth it is for us to look after and the population.

God only chooses who is right to be saved.

Also I think willpower and determination sometimes can come from God rather than yourself.
 
afstandopleren said:
It's all in the mind, not in the eye. I can't even begin to explain what you can do with some mindsets.

That there is more between this thing called 'heaven' and earth is something we currently can't test yet somehow, we know that there is something in between. But to call it God just because you feel someone around you like a ghost is a bit weird to me.
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we know? I don't know? I don't believe it, I only believe the facts. And we wouldn't able to test it ever because it doesn't exist. (my opinion)
 
Here is a fact of what you can do by thinking: Get yourself depressed, get yourself paranoid, get yourself.... well, Dr. Phil's guests usually are a good example of what a destructive mindset can do.

However, despite thinking patterns are being more and more acknowledged as source of problems, people don't know what you need to think to have a good and healthy life. =O

But think about it. When people seek help from an expert in psychology, those 'experts' will give usually give tips to change how you think so you can cope and process things.
 
If God has created everyone, and loves everyone equally, then why does he preffer some over others? And don't give me an Adam + Eve example cuz that story sux to no end IMHO.
 
afstandopleren said:
If God has created everyone, and loves everyone equally, then why does he preffer some over others? And don't give me an Adam + Eve example cuz that story sux to no end IMHO.
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Who said god perfers certain people?

~Magma King~ said:
kashmaster said:
God only chooses who is right to be saved.
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What exactly makes one person right to be saved but another not?
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Thats one flaw I see in direct religion. A perfectly good person may be a religion that doesn't get rewarded, even if they may deserve it.
 
Sorry, my fault. But I meant religiously, it doesn't say god perfers certain people that I am aware of.
 
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