That, again, is also answered in Kashmaster's quote IMHO.If people loves us equally, NO MATTER WHAT, then why does he CHOOSE who can enter heaven and who not? One of the many wicked wrong things about the God religions IMHO.
#4: Is intelligent design a viable argument for the existence of God?
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nope, that's indeed a paradox. =/
afstandopleren said:
When did this turn into a "bash religion" thread?
God forgives, but you must repent,and believe that he died for you and accept him in order to go to heaven.
Noobnerd said:
I was more replying to what you said here. Look at what you said. We were talking about what God does, and I find it quite silly of you to bring up "does God exist" again when we were talking about what God does. Hey, you asked.
I agree, we have strayed WAY too far off topic. That happened at about the second page, I think.
How is that even bashing, it's pointing out an error. If you're going to accuse every argument against you as "bashing", you're not going to win any debates, ever.Forum Shark said:
Noobnerd, the original topic is pointless, "Is something which is everything but proven a viable argument for something which is everything but proven", if we'd still be discussing that, we'd be discussing nothing at all. At least by turning this into a religious debate, we're actually have some discussion, making this thread more useful than it could have ever been when following the topic.
Discussion > going off-topic
And I'm not afraid of that question, why are you? If anyone gets offended by it, they should really rethink their life and find out why exactly, it's not like anyone gets insulted, we're having a rational debate. If they get offended one way or another, it's only because they don't want to admit to being wrong or something.
Not that this is much of a debate anyway, I try to counter as many of arguments as possible, whilst those on the other side just skip it and throw in the "I refuse to acknowledge any form of science" card, yet believe in an outlandish claim like the existence of a deity. Or they just pointlessly try to fit a God in wherever they can. I've also had little to no responses to the pointlessness of God nor the non-existence of a soul.
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Noobnerd said:
And another thing that I sometimes don't understand is that if god always forgives, can't people just do whatever wrong they want, and get forgiven? Why would a mass murderer go to paradise, and someone of another perfectly good religion who never commit that magnitude of a crime not? I'm not bashing anything, but sometimes I question how religions actually were taught when they were original.
Did he died for me? Well he hadn't have to do that for meForum Shark said:
Anyway in first place: Did he ever die? So he was alive? And now he's a dead person judging over all people? Am i right?
Why are believers of god always trying to avoid questions as: ''Does god exist?'', ''Any proof of god's existence?'' etc...Forum Shark said:
Ok... let's see, first you can murder and do whatever you want or not if you don't like it, you'll both end up in the same place as long as you get forgiven, what god ofcourse does. And after that you'll end up in a place called heaven known by its peacefullness(<is this a correct word? :/), well the first few years in heaven you could survive, but i think after a few years it's getting boring, very boring, and you're doomed to spend the rest of you live/dead in a place where you're stuck in, no matter what you did here on Earth... (i really hope i never die ._.)Juliacoolo said:
Forum Shark, I did not bring up the question, I merely said that something along the lines of challenging the existence of God, which is present in Spoon's latest post.
I feel that this debate is void if one side simply dismisses Spoon's claims. Don't you think so?
I feel that this debate is void if one side simply dismisses Spoon's claims. Don't you think so?
Juliacoolo said:
No. If a christian murders, and repents. He is forgiven. If they keep on with that lifestyle, they are not a Christian because they are rebuking God by choice, and will not go to heaven.
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But couldn't the guy kills 100 people, and repent right before he dies, as oppose to an athiest who never did anything bad.Forum Shark said:
I'm not at all critisizing you, or anyone else, but sometimes i just get extraordinarely curious about these sort of things.
See this mess of God forgives everyone is the reason IMO christainity is not a feasable relegion. Especially if God points out what is wrong and right and yet you got to heaven??? What is hell for.
Also why would God need to die? This directly destroys the reason of God's existence
Also why would God need to die? This directly destroys the reason of God's existence
kashmaster said:
God took the punishment for us. Otherwise, we'd all end up in heck because only perfect people go to heaven. When we accept Jesus and repent, our sins our washed away.
What does Jesus' death destroy the reason of God's existance? What do you mean by "a reason", anyway? God just always existed.
And, Juliacoolo, I don't quite understand your question, but I'll do my best with what I do understand. If a man kills 100 people, and repents before he dies, then he will go to heaven. This is not a free pass or anything, because you wouild be truly sorry for what you did.
As for an atheist "never doing anything wrong", it is not possible, because rejecting God is wrong, and he would therefore go to heck.
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Well I still don't get it, if we as stuards are supposed to look after the Earth, why does God need to intervene?
Why couldn't god send another prophet?
God doesn't need to get accross his message by dieing, those who believe in him surely will go to heaven.
Finally if he died (which he cannot at all EVER) our sin doesn't get taken away, we sin more now than ever
Why couldn't god send another prophet?
God doesn't need to get accross his message by dieing, those who believe in him surely will go to heaven.
Finally if he died (which he cannot at all EVER) our sin doesn't get taken away, we sin more now than ever
kashmaster said:
God created us to bring him glory, not necessarily to look after the Earth.
Why would God send another prophet? You probably wouldn't believe him anyway. God got across all he needed with the Bible.
We do sin more often now, but perhaps you didn't understand. OUr sins are washed away. That doesn't mean they are erased from time, but God forgives us when we repent. Why can't God die? Jesus (God's son, who is one of the trinity) died on the cross and rose again, then went up to heaven to be with his father.
...yeah ok... god always existed? (ok I believe time is infinite and the universe always existed) but many believe the theory about the Big Bang, from then it started, how can god always existed? and the bible says the Earth only existed for a 6000 years...?
And how can you believe in god or jesus? I believe jesus existed created a new religion and got killed, but son of god? no, and why would a christian going to heaven and a muslim or jew not? that sounds unfair, doesn't it? And where would i end up?
And how can you believe in god or jesus? I believe jesus existed created a new religion and got killed, but son of god? no, and why would a christian going to heaven and a muslim or jew not? that sounds unfair, doesn't it? And where would i end up?
Pokequaza said:
It may not seem very fair, no, but a muslim or jew will not go to heaven because they are not Christians, and they have diobeyed God. As for you, if you don't repent, you will end up in heck. I would be glad to tell you how to do so, if you wish. It is my prayer that you do.
How can I believe is God? Because I have faith, and, so far, I haven't seen a reason to stop believing.
This reminds me of a discussion I had in school. xD
I believe in God and support everything he stands for. If you were to read the bible, which IMO is more important to christian than God himself is, you would learn that the cross was only a microscopic part of God. God didn't even die on the cross...
It does appear unstable and full of loopholes, but that alone is what makes it IMO great. Just tell yourself that you believe in it and you'll live forever.
For those that choose not to believe, one day in the blink of an eye, every Christian will leave earth and the 7 years of heck will begin. Grasshoppers will be the size of horses, water will turn into blood, and Satan's commander will go on a 7-year killing spree. If he puts a number on you, you die like that. At the end of the 7 years, God will destroy the earth and move heaven down in its place. It will be a wonderland. Fruit will instantaneously grow back when picked, money will be gone and there will be no sorrow. Doesn't that sound like an awesome place to live? I think it does
In the end, it comes down to whether or not you're willing to sacrifice 30 seconds of your life to tell God you want to follow him. That's all it takes.
I believe in God and support everything he stands for. If you were to read the bible, which IMO is more important to christian than God himself is, you would learn that the cross was only a microscopic part of God. God didn't even die on the cross...
It does appear unstable and full of loopholes, but that alone is what makes it IMO great. Just tell yourself that you believe in it and you'll live forever.
For those that choose not to believe, one day in the blink of an eye, every Christian will leave earth and the 7 years of heck will begin. Grasshoppers will be the size of horses, water will turn into blood, and Satan's commander will go on a 7-year killing spree. If he puts a number on you, you die like that. At the end of the 7 years, God will destroy the earth and move heaven down in its place. It will be a wonderland. Fruit will instantaneously grow back when picked, money will be gone and there will be no sorrow. Doesn't that sound like an awesome place to live? I think it does
In the end, it comes down to whether or not you're willing to sacrifice 30 seconds of your life to tell God you want to follow him. That's all it takes.
That's funny because I'm sure Muslims and Jews believe the same thing about christianity. You can't all be right though, can you?
And seriously, it's your prayer we end up in hell? XD
EDIT: Didn't see your post, Bippa. You don't have any solid evidence whatsoever there, so your point is basically useless.
And seriously, it's your prayer we end up in hell? XD
EDIT: Didn't see your post, Bippa. You don't have any solid evidence whatsoever there, so your point is basically useless.
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