@ Red blastoise, that is not evolution, if a man is taller than his great grandfather doesnt mean its evolution as I dont see height making us better suited to living in this environment, unless you count reaching the top shelf on the fridge to get 'vital' food evolution then you need to relearn the theory especially since you are athiest whilst I am muslim
#4: Is intelligent design a viable argument for the existence of God?
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Lol, "The Proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn't prove anything."
Absolutely true, you cannot prove anything, nothing is definite, laws of nature can be altered, maths is decided by axioms, which can be changed (there a millions of different maths, all with their own laws. Our most known form of maths is based on the world around us, but that doesn't mean that other maths is not possible. For example, it it perfectly possible (and very easy) to calculate stuff in the 4th dimension). Morals are also never definite, homophobia is perfectly normal to some, and child Stolen might as well be normal in some cultures where it might be an initiation to, you know. It might not seem right at all to us, but in some cultures, for some species, whatever, it might be.
The site you linked to is very narrow-minded.
Also, if God is so very obvious, how come so many different tribes in the world don't even know about him? God is not making himself obvious to us at all, if he even exists.
That site was just weird, but fails to provide any kind of evidence, and made a sudden big jump from "rationality exists" to "God exists because otherwise you can't prove he exists".
Absolutely true, you cannot prove anything, nothing is definite, laws of nature can be altered, maths is decided by axioms, which can be changed (there a millions of different maths, all with their own laws. Our most known form of maths is based on the world around us, but that doesn't mean that other maths is not possible. For example, it it perfectly possible (and very easy) to calculate stuff in the 4th dimension). Morals are also never definite, homophobia is perfectly normal to some, and child Stolen might as well be normal in some cultures where it might be an initiation to, you know. It might not seem right at all to us, but in some cultures, for some species, whatever, it might be.
The site you linked to is very narrow-minded.
Also, if God is so very obvious, how come so many different tribes in the world don't even know about him? God is not making himself obvious to us at all, if he even exists.
That site was just weird, but fails to provide any kind of evidence, and made a sudden big jump from "rationality exists" to "God exists because otherwise you can't prove he exists".
Never go to sites that try hard to prove Gods existence they will only lead you to a misinterpreted and stupid way of how God is here.
You must not look to the internet but yourself to find God.
@ Heavenly Spoon, God has made himself obvious as like 4 billion believe in God and Im sure the majority know of God, he has given us a message it is our choice to find it
Also I just don't understand evolution, it doesnt make sense, when scientist can find proper evidence which you cant hide from then That is the day I will become atheist but evolution has to many gaps to be a theory
You must not look to the internet but yourself to find God.
@ Heavenly Spoon, God has made himself obvious as like 4 billion believe in God and Im sure the majority know of God, he has given us a message it is our choice to find it
Also I just don't understand evolution, it doesnt make sense, when scientist can find proper evidence which you cant hide from then That is the day I will become atheist but evolution has to many gaps to be a theory
The only gaps in evolution are either waiting to be filled, or made by yourself. As I said, it's impossible to find a picture of every single moment in your life, but we can decided what you looked like and how you changed over the years using the pictures we do have. Sure, it might not be exact, but chances are you won't have been a green tentacled monster in-between 2 pictures.
Watch the vid in my 1st posts, really, it explains evolution and the creation of the universe in not necessarily a simple way, but a rather complete and very efficient way.
Also, there will never be definite evidence for everything, but there is practically no evidence for God, whilst evolution can be observed and there is a lot of evidence all hinting in the same direction. There are numerous branches of science focussing on evolution alone, and have rarely found anything which contradicts the theory, and if it does, the paradox is usually easily solved, and the theory becomes more refined and more detailed. That's the cool thing about science, it's not stationary, it changes and becomes more detailed and more exact as more evidence is found.
Like, for example, all the apes which evolved from our common ancestor have 48 chromosomes (24 pairs), whilst we humans have 23 pair. This was used as an argument by creationists that we could not have had a common ancestor (they tend to use everything science does not have an answer for yet, and are usually proven wrong, I can give you numerous examples). But, surprise surprise, evolutionists theorised that there must have been a fused chromosome. And guess what, they found it, chromosome number 2.
Watch the vid in my 1st posts, really, it explains evolution and the creation of the universe in not necessarily a simple way, but a rather complete and very efficient way.
Also, there will never be definite evidence for everything, but there is practically no evidence for God, whilst evolution can be observed and there is a lot of evidence all hinting in the same direction. There are numerous branches of science focussing on evolution alone, and have rarely found anything which contradicts the theory, and if it does, the paradox is usually easily solved, and the theory becomes more refined and more detailed. That's the cool thing about science, it's not stationary, it changes and becomes more detailed and more exact as more evidence is found.
Like, for example, all the apes which evolved from our common ancestor have 48 chromosomes (24 pairs), whilst we humans have 23 pair. This was used as an argument by creationists that we could not have had a common ancestor (they tend to use everything science does not have an answer for yet, and are usually proven wrong, I can give you numerous examples). But, surprise surprise, evolutionists theorised that there must have been a fused chromosome. And guess what, they found it, chromosome number 2.
kashmaster said:
maybe not, but a taler guy has a lesser chance of being beated up then a smaller guy, just because the taller one is more itimidating, then, the taller guy would have longer legs, so he is able to run faster, in some countries to chasee animals, in some to run from them, and in some for sports, a good sporter almost always has a great life, which is because he might be taler, which comes in handy (basketball, running sports).
which would be evolution, the fridge isn't the only preference tall people get.
i don't need to relearn the theory, as i just explained it.
then for the last scentence of yours, you just made a gigant mistake of calling a jew atheïst.
thats right, i believe in the existence of a god, that doesn't mean i don't think he does things wrong, like letting things like stated in my earlier posts happen.
i also believe that you exist, that doesn't mean i have to like you so much that i do everything you say.
(not that i hate you or such things) (let's please keep it in this thread, and if this is gone, just be friends
)I have watched many videos regarding evolution and I have told you this before that many people have tried showing me evolution in a whole new perspective but it all leads to how did this single celled organism come out of nowhere, especially in a sterile environment. Where did the materials from the big bang come from? If scientist can give a reasonable explanation for the occurance of what I have stated then so be it, I don't believe in God. Until then the only reasonable explanation is a creator.
Also most of the time it is christianity's perspective on everything which is usually taken into account, yet other religions are not.
So what religion were the people who had the dispute about the chromosomes?
Also most of the time it is christianity's perspective on everything which is usually taken into account, yet other religions are not.
So what religion were the people who had the dispute about the chromosomes?
Watch, please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8nYTJf62sE&feature=PlayList&p=DB23537556D7AADB&index=3 (very sciency, though)
Also, those scientists were just scientists doing their job, not for any religion, but to help increase our knowledge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8nYTJf62sE&feature=PlayList&p=DB23537556D7AADB&index=3 (very sciency, though)
Also, those scientists were just scientists doing their job, not for any religion, but to help increase our knowledge.
A couple questions here.
1. Why can't there be both Science and Religion? I know plenty of religious people who work in the field of science (well, 2).
2. Why can't there be multiple gods? Like the Greeks, the Egyptians, etc.
1. Why can't there be both Science and Religion? I know plenty of religious people who work in the field of science (well, 2).
2. Why can't there be multiple gods? Like the Greeks, the Egyptians, etc.
The fact is (I've said this before in this thread) that God is just a simple answer. And every time we find the real answer, the definition of God becomes more and more obscure. What's the point of God when he's not even needed for anything, and you're just using him to answer questions you otherwise wouldn't be able to answer? Wouldn't trying to find the answer be more logical?
Science and religion could co-exist, but it's pointless when science has actual evidence for one, and doesn't leave much room for God anyway.
Science and religion could co-exist, but it's pointless when science has actual evidence for one, and doesn't leave much room for God anyway.
@ Heavenly Spoon, I see your point in that video but how can such elements come out of nowhere, they must have some sort of origin, have you got a video about that if so LMK thanks. Also if God doesn't exist then how can someone (prophet) could have made such accurate judgements on todays world? I cant list them all now but please read the Quraan if you get the time
There's a skill behind prediction, it involves predicting a lot of vague stuff which somehow seems detailed. People also tend to interpret the predictions in many different ways. There are probably books around which can teach you how to predict stuff quite accurately without the needs of any special powers.
About the formations of the elements, the videos before that on the playlist (#1 and 2) talk about that, the entire series is called "From Big Bang to Us -- Made Easy", it should explain a lot of stuff about how the universe and everything else came to be according to science. Of course, it doesn't explain what happened before the big bang, because we just don't know (the big time being the beginning of time and space as we know it making that pretty hard to find out).
Anyhow, this specific one should be it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQk6MveZOE&feature=PlayList&p=DB23537556D7AADB&index=1 (there's also an errata for this one if I'm not mistaken)
About the formations of the elements, the videos before that on the playlist (#1 and 2) talk about that, the entire series is called "From Big Bang to Us -- Made Easy", it should explain a lot of stuff about how the universe and everything else came to be according to science. Of course, it doesn't explain what happened before the big bang, because we just don't know (the big time being the beginning of time and space as we know it making that pretty hard to find out).
Anyhow, this specific one should be it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQk6MveZOE&feature=PlayList&p=DB23537556D7AADB&index=1 (there's also an errata for this one if I'm not mistaken)
Yes but how can someone predict something an odd 1500 years ago with no technology? If so most of science is based on prediction so why cant his one be right?
The Fallen One said:
they do co-op
to all things science can't explain perfectly, we blame religion, it's the perfect plot
Science starts out as a hypothesis, a prediction, if you will, after that, scientists try to find out if it's true, false, or something in-between, in which case a new hypothesis is needed. Here's a vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcavPAFiG14&feature=PlayList&p=DB23537556D7AADB&index=11
I'm telling you, the playlist is pretty complete.
(These vids are pretty complete, doesn't mean I'm basing everything I say off of them, I only found them quite recently, I've had debates about this before I've seen them)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcavPAFiG14&feature=PlayList&p=DB23537556D7AADB&index=11
I'm telling you, the playlist is pretty complete.
(These vids are pretty complete, doesn't mean I'm basing everything I say off of them, I only found them quite recently, I've had debates about this before I've seen them)
The Fallen One said:
2. Science and religion have been coexisting for ever, without religion you have no science.
2. The definiton of God is that he is almighty and so on why does he need companions if he is so powerful?
@ Heavenly Spoon I can see you are very dedicated to your beliefs in science and I admire that. Now if someone has made these predictions and we can see they are true then is that not what the prophet has done?
So hypothesis are done on phenomenon, but we need something to speculate evolution and how it occurs as I can't see how the body realises ' I need to evolve before I die'
They don't actively change their body to adapt to the environment. It works like this:
Creature exists, and has specific DNA
Creature has babies, these babies' DNA is slightly different that that of the parent(s), it's called mutation, and it's a fact.
Most of these babies are barely different, but one of them is somehow better adapted to the environment (because of the mutation) and therefore has more of a chance at survival.
Baby A, the one with the positive mutation, will live longer, and will therefore have more other babies, also because the other animals will want to mate with Baby A, because they will see that he is superior. (in microbiology, the others die, whilst Baby A lives and is able to duplicate)
Baby A passes on his or her genes to his or her babies, and the cycle continues.
It's also explained (with images, yay!) in one of the vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8&feature=PlayList&p=DB23537556D7AADB&index=6
EDIT: I will be gone for quite some time now, don't overwhelm me too much
Creature exists, and has specific DNA
Creature has babies, these babies' DNA is slightly different that that of the parent(s), it's called mutation, and it's a fact.
Most of these babies are barely different, but one of them is somehow better adapted to the environment (because of the mutation) and therefore has more of a chance at survival.
Baby A, the one with the positive mutation, will live longer, and will therefore have more other babies, also because the other animals will want to mate with Baby A, because they will see that he is superior. (in microbiology, the others die, whilst Baby A lives and is able to duplicate)
Baby A passes on his or her genes to his or her babies, and the cycle continues.
It's also explained (with images, yay!) in one of the vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8&feature=PlayList&p=DB23537556D7AADB&index=6
EDIT: I will be gone for quite some time now, don't overwhelm me too much
I don't understand the question...
Religion is simply outdated. It was used to make sense of a world that we didn't understand, and now we do understand but people still cling on to their beliefs. Scientists have been able to make theories and support them with actual evidence whereas religion is just using the fact it can't be disproved. I could claim that a dandelion in my garden is sacred and created the universe and there'd be nothing to disprove that, but that doesn't make it true.
As far as evolution goes, I honestly believe there is no intervention from a divine being going on here. I'm not even going to expand my point here, because if you want my opinion on that matter then just read Spoon's posts.
However, my trust in science being the only explanation starts to falter as I consider not life, but the universe as a whole. All my doubts are basically expressed in this thread here. I wouldn't go as far to say that a God of some form is the only other alternative explanation, but there is certainly something very curious going on here.
However, my trust in science being the only explanation starts to falter as I consider not life, but the universe as a whole. All my doubts are basically expressed in this thread here. I wouldn't go as far to say that a God of some form is the only other alternative explanation, but there is certainly something very curious going on here.
Here's my view on the matter. If there was a god or goddess they just pressed the on switch. They then either got distracted, crippled from their creation, or stopped caring. Weather or not a god exists or not doesn't matter anymore as they obviously are not interfering...or at least not very effectively.
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