5th Gen Competitive Movesets and Metagame

Shell Bell isn't reliable, and it's wasted on a sweeper when you could have LO or Expert belt. You don't need any of the defensive EVs because that ruins him as a sweeper. Your opponents are going to want to hit you with Physical moves because his SPD gets boosted by Quiver Dance. You'll only get one Quiver Dance off before they switch into their counter, and there are many of them.
 
Handled like a boss ^

Anyways, here's my infamous Deoxys Speed set that's been trolling PB'ers so hard:

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Deoxys-S @ Choice Specs
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
EV's: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Pressure Ability
Moves:
- Hidden Power Fire
- Focus Blast
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Trololol this thing gets so much epicness. It has near perfect coverage and can OHKO both of the common weather leads, Tyranitar (Who usually thinks they can get a KO with Pursuit/Crunch) or Politoed. Thunder is sometimes used for Heavy Rain Teams. The list of threats it can take out is nearly endless. Sadly, it wasn't meant as a sweeper, so Specs is pretty much the only thing that lets it hit hard enough. However, a Life Orb and Stealth Rock over HP Fire set is sometimes used for teams who need a bit of support. Still gets the surprise factor, and hopefully, crits. :p
Tell me what you think!
 
No STAB Psycho Boost? I realize that this probably gets perfect coverage, but wouldn't a Specs Psycho Boost be pretty nice to have rolling off STAB Modest nature? Even if it does force you to switch out, it will hit pretty hard.

Also, you forgot the speed EVs. Just letting you know. ;)
 
THERE ARE NO SPEED EV'S lol
Thanks for pointing that out. I think the coverage works for the better, most of the time, since I really just want to come in and get a predict kill. But Psycho sounds like fun, I'll try it over... HP fire?
 
Considering its Deoxys-S, with its boss 180 base speed stat, I'd say the Speed EVs are unnecessary. Nothings outspeeding it unless they boost their speed.

I'd keep HP Fire though, if only to really hurt Scizor.

I remember versing that set S-L. Totally surprised me when I didn't see it lay down rocks.
 
Shadow Arceus said:
Shell Bell isn't reliable, and it's wasted on a sweeper when you could have LO or Expert belt. You don't need any of the defensive EVs because that ruins him as a sweeper. Your opponents are going to want to hit you with Physical moves because his SPD gets boosted by Quiver Dance. You'll only get one Quiver Dance off before they switch into their counter, and there are many of them.
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I'd like to point out that not all physical moves make contact, nor or all moves that make contact physical. I could Stone Edge, Rock Slide, or Earthquake Volcarona and be in no danger of getting burned. However, Most (if not all) physical Water and Flying moves do make contact.
 
Escavalier said:
Disclaimer: Okay, I usually don't think about EV's and Natures and Items, so number 1 they won't be what I have on mine and number 2 they may or may not work.

Volcarona
-heat wave
-flamethrower
-quiver dance
-bug buzz
100 hp 200 def 200 sp. attack
Shell Bell
Flame Body (if you can, get swarm)
Modest

The plan is to switch in on a Special attacker and Quiver Dance to DEATH.
Okay not really that would be pointless.
But Quiver Dance 6 times if you can (unless you are about to faint)
Then, thanks to Volcarona's super high special attack you just boosted the heck out of, pretty much any special move will mean death (except on Jellicent/chandelure with flash fire/fire fighting. To take care of those, use hidden power ghost, although again something I don't usually care about.)
On Shauntal in the Elite Four you can employ this by boosting on her coafgrigus and taking out all of her people (aside from jellicent, because her chandelure has flame body)
This makes Volcarona one of my faves
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Look, the best set for Vulcarona is max speed, max sp. atk, timid, expert belt/leftovers, and flamethrower, bug buzz, quiver dance, and hp ground/rock/ice/electric. It needs max speed because its only base 100, and quiver dance only boosts sp. atk by one so it needs that maxed. There's no point whatsoever in 2 fire moves. Also, Flame Body is superior, since you can switch in on fighting types and have a chance of burning them to cripple them more. Also, if you can't outspeed and OHKO you would never stay in on a poke with a rock move or a physical water/flying move, so that argument is pretty invalid.
 
Volc does not need max speed. Only without sun it does. Even then, you can run a bulkier ChestoRest set. In sun, a Morning Sun varient with 252 HP / DEF could be used, as it gives a solid defensive approach while still containing a bit of power.
 
I have a competitive pokemon i want to use:
(Note: he's the main guy of a sweep team)

Axel (Haxorus) M @ Persim berry
252 SPD EV, 252 ATK EV, 4 Health EV
Ability-Mold Breaker
Nature-Lonely
Attacks-
1. Outrage
2. Dragon Claw
3. X-Scissor
4. Earthquake
The key here is to be the first to attack (which it will) and beat the crap out of the opponent fast. outrage will be his main attack. power of 120 and 2 to 3 turns in a row of it with the only downside being confusion, which is automatically canceled with the attached Persim berry. Dragon claw if i don't want to waste Outrage's PP, or if my opponent doesn't require an overkill. X-Scissor to hopefully to beat down Psychic and Dark types, and Earthquake to take care of Steel pokemon, which is the only thing that is resistant against Dragon moves. Also the reason i chose Mold Breaker over Rivalry is so i can kill Eelekrtoss (that electric-eel thingy that has Levitate) with Earthquake.
 
Lol, Haxorus will not be the first to attack with base 97 Speed. You're better off with a Lum Berry which can heal Paralysis and Burns. Also, Lonely is a terribad nature. Go with Jolly. Judging by your mention of Eelektross and X-Scissor, you don't play competitive. Note: IMO, all Haxorus need DD or SD,.
This is a set I really like:
Haxorus (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Dual Chop
- Earthquake
- Taunt

With Taunt you can shut down his only counter: Skarmory, and even set up on it. Dual Chop lets you break Subs, and doesn't trap you like Outrage does. Other options are DClaw, Outrage, and SD, or Adamant.
 
okay, i like everything EXCEPT for the Taunt. Outrage is a whole lot better and brings out Haxorus' attack stat. i mean, power of 120 for 2-3 turns straight for a Haxorus with maxed attack is about 2-3 kills and the Persim berry was for the confusion side-effect. Yes, I already knew that Jolly was the better nature for Haxorus, but Lonely is pretty good too, and i actually have a problem getting the Axew of the specified nature. i just hunt for the Axew/Fraxure, then work with the best one i find. more on subject, you're right. i have never played competitive before, but this pokemon is what i planned to use when i do go competitive. and i believe i do have an Adamant Axew.
 
Lonely lowers his Defense which means he's weaker to Physical attacks. That's vastly inferior to Jolly or Adamant. What don't you like about Taunt? Some top-tier Steel types can take an Outrage from Haxorus with ease, and then fight back while he's trapped into a move that can't hurt them.
 
Okay, I get it now. But i already have trained a Lonely Haxorus, and he's LV. 77 right now. I am pretty sure i have an Adamant Axew, so i guess i'll start training him/her in Attack and Speed.
 
supergamerfreak said:
I have a competitive pokemon i want to use:
(Note: he's the main guy of a sweep team)

Axel (Haxorus) M @ Persim berry
252 SPD EV, 252 ATK EV, 4 Health EV
Ability-Mold Breaker
Nature-Lonely
Attacks-
1. Outrage
2. Dragon Claw
3. X-Scissor
4. Earthquake
The key here is to be the first to attack (which it will) and beat the crap out of the opponent fast. outrage will be his main attack. power of 120 and 2 to 3 turns in a row of it with the only downside being confusion, which is automatically canceled with the attached Persim berry. Dragon claw if i don't want to waste Outrage's PP, or if my opponent doesn't require an overkill. X-Scissor to hopefully to beat down Psychic and Dark types, and Earthquake to take care of Steel pokemon, which is the only thing that is resistant against Dragon moves. Also the reason i chose Mold Breaker over Rivalry is so i can kill Eelekrtoss (that electric-eel thingy that has Levitate) with Earthquake.
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I'm not gonna sugarcoat my set rate or anything, so don't get mad / think I'm trolling with what I have to say.
That set is pretty bad to be honest, First off let me start off with the nature. Adamant and Jolly are way better then Lonely, first off you don't lose defence, and second off you can choose to boost your speed with Jolly (Which is what you're aiming for), or you can boost your attack without lowering your defense. Now, onto your hold item, Persim Berry is ok, but, Lum Berry is way better, having the ability to cure not only confusion but other status problems like Paralyze, Toxic, and Paralyze, which is something Persim can't not do. Now, your EVs are also not that good either, I'll be straight up on that. The EV spread is better being 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe, with these EVs you will be faster and have stronger attacks. Last but not least, your moveset. Having two Dragon moves on you're Dragon isn't all that good, not gonna lie. The only time I could see this is on Choice Specs/Scarf Latios (Dragon Pulse and Draco Meteor), but other then that, you'd be better off running Dragon Dance / EQ / Outrage or Dual Chop / Fire Fang (I forget if it can learn Fire Fang) or Taunt or Brick Break.

So, the suggested set:

Axel (Haxorus) M @ Lum Berry
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Ability: Mold Breaker
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
~ Dragon Dance
~ Outrage / Dual Chop
~ Earthquake
~ Fire Fang / Taunt / Brick Break
 
It can't learn Fire Fang. I think by "SPD" he meant SPeeD. Also, I've essentially covered everything you said, TT.
 
Best Haxorus :

Axel (Haxorus) M @ Choice Band
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Ability: Rivalry
Nature:Adamant
~ Outrage
~ Dual Chop
~ Earthquake
~ Brick Break
 
Okay, my Volcarona didn't turn out so well, so I'll try a move set for Zoroark, which goes after coverages and sweeping a bit more than just stabbing and stat boosting.

Zoroark
Illusion
Item: Life Orb/ Wise Glasses
252 sp. atk/ 252. speed
Timid Nature
~Dark Pulse
~Extrasensory
~Flamethrower
~Focus Blast/ Nasty Plot

Okay, here's the plan. Use Illusion to make Zoroark look like a Gengar, because I garuntee you that no one is going to use a Fighting or Bug move on him. The may use a Psychic, Ghost, or Dark move, which works out well. If you're running Nasty Plot, use it now. However, when he's attacked, Zoroark will reveal himself, and you'll just sweep from there with your decent coverage and boosted speed and sp. atk. Flamethrower should help take out any evil bug types, and Extrasensory should deal with fighting types. Dark Pulse is a stab move, which is cool but doesn't get very good coverage. Now, you may skip Nasty Plot and go with Focus Blast because Hydregion and Heatran can just kinda laugh at you you'll have to switch out, meaning a good Nasty Plot set up went to waste. The Life Orb is a great booster, but it hurts you, too, which I don't really like. However, I guess in Competitive play you take one battle at a time and being injured doesn't mean too much. Wise glasses will boost all of your moves, but not as much as Life Orb. Aslo, if you think Zoroark's 105 speed is fast enough for you, you can switch his nature to Modest, but IMO his sp. attack is better of than his speed.
 
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Regenerator
Bold (-Attack +Defense)
252 HP
252 Defense
Calm Mind
Scald/Surf
Flamethrower/Thunder Wave
HP Electric
This set is killer. Just a heads up, if you're running Scald, don't carry T-Wave. If you're running Surf, carry T-Wave.
Flamethrower for Grass coverage, Surf for main STAB move, HP Electric for Water coverage. Simple set, really.
 
Wouldn't Ice Beam be better than Flamethrower since it hits grass types just as hard but it can also hit dragons and gliscor (not sure if scald OHKOs) harder? Unless you need it to hit Scizor and Ferrothron, of course.
 
Yeah, Flamethrower is just for those Ferrothorns.
I guess Ice Beam is needed somewhere, but what do I replace?
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