Dark Void said:
They get the gold yes, but you can easily take them down when you are reborn.
And it makes your KDR nice and pretty
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They get the gold yes, but you can easily take them down when you are reborn.
And it makes your KDR nice and pretty
Didn't have this thread when I initially registered a year ago, nice to see it!
Imo it doesn't really matter where you start. As a jungle in early game you're going to need the XP from both buffs to keep level with the rest of your team anyway. Playing a champ that gets little to no benefit from blue buff just means mid is guaranteed a free buff once it respawns. (Unless the jungle is a total jerk or a troll.)
The Fire Wyrm said:
Imo it doesn't really matter where you start. As a jungle in early game you're going to need the XP from both buffs to keep level with the rest of your team anyway. Playing a champ that gets little to no benefit from blue buff just means mid is guaranteed a free buff once it respawns. (Unless the jungle is a total jerk or a troll.)
I play her like you but swap the buffs.Armaldo1 said:
Usually gives me a kill that way
Sprinklepock said:
It does sometimes matter which buff you start. With Shyvana, she doens't need blue, so you can easily give that to mid once you clear the rest of the jungle. This ensures your mid has a good laning phase and you aren't hindered all that much anyway.
Starting Blue with Shyvana will ultimately screw you over as you cannot level 2 gank effectively, losing a good chance at first blood and slowing your counter jungling attempts. With Red, she can head top (or bottom depending on which base you're in, or if you steal) or mid and possibly secure a kill or two. It also allows you to duel more effectively in the jungle if you happen across the enemy jungler in your jungle or in theirs if you counter.
All in all, it all depends on if you want a safe farming jungle, or a high risk-high reward gank/invade jungle. However, if you want a safe farming jungle, you'd be better off with someone like Warwick who has ganks slightly better than Shyv pre-6 and insanely powerful ganks post-6.
tl;dr - Red Start on Shyv opens up more possibilities than Blue Start on Shyv.
~Cooro
i agree and disagree. If you don't clear blue early, that's basically a whole level you've lost in your jungle. You need those early levels to gank properly. Honestly she's a strong jungler no matter what she starts, as long as she can clear and you know how to play her. Knowing how to play her=not HotshotGG-ing.
It's not really a whole level. Because if you start Wraiths and go straight to red, you have a level and a half right there. You immediately gank at 2 and if you succeed at the gank (which qualifies even if you pop a flash), you're gaining EXP anyway. Your Wraiths will be back up before you even return to the jungle and with the lane EXP you got from the gank (or kill EXP if you draw First Blood), you'll actually be ontop or even. And with that red buff, after you gank, you can counter jungle, possibly grab a kill from that.
As I said though, the blue buff is for a safe start and farming jungle. If you're unsure of how you'll play against the enemies. Red buff is if you want an aggressive start and wish to counter jungle.
As I said though, the blue buff is for a safe start and farming jungle. If you're unsure of how you'll play against the enemies. Red buff is if you want an aggressive start and wish to counter jungle.
That's really stupid. By the time you get to their blue, it'll be gone.The Fire Wyrm said:I play her like you but swap the buffs.Armaldo1 said:
Usually gives me a kill that way
But if you start with blue, then your mid lane can get it earlier. Thus, when the enemy mid has blue, so will yours.Ardi-Yarne said:
Thing is, some junglers need second blue (e.g. Hecarim or Skarner). A manaless jungler who takes blue as the second aura will still give the second blue fastest than the other jungler will give the third. In cases, a manaless jungler might even grant mid the first blue.
ChillBill said:
Sure, by starting red and giving mid second blue you can give it to them before a mid who gets third blue from a jungler who started blue would. But you're still giving it to them after a jungler who started blue and gave mid second blue. Let me list pros and cons to starting blue and starting red:
Red start:
-Better level 2 gank
-Can give mid first blue, but at the cost of your own levels
-Ability to steal enemy's blue if they started red, but this is not as common as enemy blue starts and if they started red they probably don't need blue much anyway
Blue start:
-Better level 3+ gank
-Can give mid second blue faster
-Able to steal enemy's red if they started blue, which is more common, and will seriously hurt almost any jungler's ganks
-Probably gives better clears since cdr does more than a small dot (not sure however and can't test as I don't have Shyvanna)
Blue start honestly seems much better, unless they are starting red yet rely on blue so much that losing it will drastically hurt them (aka almost never) or you know ahead of time that a level 2 gank is more important than a gank in around 5 minutes after that (also pretty rare situation).
Like I said two posts ago, I don't really jungle anymore until I get to ranked on this account and I play her now as a top lane full DPS offtank or ADC. It actually works quite well even though she is not classified as an ADC.
Shyvana seems to work well with red buff first, I have tested it and it works fine.
Unless you want to waste your time buying Shyvana and spending 6-7 hours on games trying to disprove me I suggest you stop.
Shyvana seems to work well with red buff first, I have tested it and it works fine.
Unless you want to waste your time buying Shyvana and spending 6-7 hours on games trying to disprove me I suggest you stop.
The Fire Wyrm said:
Nobody was trying to disprove you or attack you...this was just everyone voicing their opinion on how they play shyvanna. If you start red, that's fantastic, if you start blue that is also fantastic. People play the game differently, play her however you feel is the best way.
Nengeni said:
Whoa, whoa, let's not go bringing ELO placement in here.
It's all a matter of playstyle. Don't need to get defensive or anything when advice and opinions are being passed around.
The Fire Wyrm said:
It only seems to be more beneficial if you're going aggressive. Even then, you have no idea when or if you'll be able to early gank. Yes, I know it's high risk, high reward. However, if you misplay, waste time or die, you're going to be behind.
I guess I'm just a "Better safe than sorry" type of player.
So what?Nengeni said:
My alt is Platinum ranked in 5v5. Why the hell do you care?
This is the a**wipe that I'm talking about. He's ruined two games for me so far...
The Fire Wyrm said:
Could you explain how I, someone calling your bluff over the internet, has ruined two games so far?
Why don't you just post a screenshot of you on your platinum account saying My PB name is The Fire Wyrm. If you can't do this, we know you're lying.
Does ELO truly matter? Whether he's Platinum or not, it doesn't effect anyone here. He can be Challenger tier and it wouldn't matter.
However blaming someone for ruining games without any evidence to back it is kind of scummy. It's a game. There shouldn't be so much drama over something that's supposed to be fun.
However blaming someone for ruining games without any evidence to back it is kind of scummy. It's a game. There shouldn't be so much drama over something that's supposed to be fun.
Couldn't agree more. Don't turn this thread in a war, guys. And fighting over ELO is ridiculous.
But anyway, I hope you guys had good games recently. 'Cos I lost two ranked yesterday. And one of them was my fault as well... guess that not playing for a while didn't help.
But anyway, I hope you guys had good games recently. 'Cos I lost two ranked yesterday. And one of them was my fault as well... guess that not playing for a while didn't help.