What's this idea? Ideally, I'd reccomend assigning megaevolutions after we have teh whole roster full, but... keeper's rock already has one, so let's see.
King Xerneas said:
How do we feel about a ground/poison or poison/dragon Komodo Dragon? I was thinking that since Komodo dragons are known for their toxic spit we could have it drool acid to emphasize its toxicity. Here's a picture of a real Komodo dragon drooling to show how we would show the acid drool.
A poison/dragon or poison/ground komodo dragon was suggested in one of the old threads of gen 6, and it's an idea I haven't forgotten, but was going to wait a little to suggest; I don't have much interest in it to run it personally, but it's definitely on the table. So later, the actual projects are going too slow as to keep adding new things. But remember this one in case I forget.
I really really think we should cool it with the dragons for a while. If this idea comes to fruition, I hope it will be Poison/Ground, or even Poison/Rock or Poison/Normal.
Also I have an idea for a Fire/Ice type. The core idea is that it is much like Cryogonal (maybe an evolution? I don't know yet) that is a mass of ice crystals, in jagged fractals and made of many different lattices and complex crystaline structures. A good visual would be the Crystaline Entity from Star Trek
How it works and attacks, is that it refracts and refocuses light sources (sunlight, moonlight, starlight, etc) in to beams that can burn and sear foes, like a laser. This means it could stay relatively cool (as would be needed for it to live) but can deal out quite a lot of heat (actually this kind of exothermic process would actually make it's body colder). This is just an idea right now though. What are your thoughts guys?
Keeper of Night said:
Actually, I'd love to make it Poison/Steel. Give it metal plating or something.
Some one was working on a Steel/Poison type just recently. I crunched the numbers and moves sets for it, but I haven't seen it since. I think it was Wandering Wolf...
Also I have an idea for a Fire/Ice type. The core idea is that it is much like Cryogonal (maybe an evolution? I don't know yet) that is a mass of ice crystals, in jagged fractals and made of many different lattices and complex crystaline structures. A good visual would be the Crystaline Entity from Star Trek
How it works and attacks, is that it refracts and refocuses light sources (sunlight, moonlight, starlight, etc) in to beams that can burn and sear foes, like a laser. This means it could stay relatively cool (as would be needed for it to live) but can deal out quite a lot of heat (actually this kind of exothermic process would actually make it's body colder). This is just an idea right now though. What are your thoughts guys?
I'm always up for some star trek TNG shenanigans, and I have always wanted a freaking laser move, fire type but learnable by most electric type pokemon.
I don't see much how you can make a fire/ice work with that concept (or any other, actually, those two are so antithetical that they push too much the boundaries of logic), but if you think you can pull it off, go ahead.
Akwila said:
Keeper of Night said:
Actually, I'd love to make it Poison/Steel. Give it metal plating or something.
Some one was working on a Steel/Poison type just recently. I crunched the numbers and moves sets for it, but I haven't seen it since. I think it was Wandering Wolf...
Please keep in mind, that this thing is a late game encounter and is a stand alone with no evolutionary relatives (Though it might be an evolution of Cryogonal).
Basic form : (Ice Crystal) (Crystaract, Frozactal, Cryact, Refrattak…)
Type: Ice/Fire
Species: Ice Lattice Pokemon
Ability: Solar Power/Ice Body, HA Refract***
Gender ratio: Genderless
Height: 6’00”
Weight: 10lbs
Base stats: 75/85/45/110/190/10
***Refract – Boosts Special Attack by one stage and ignores damage when hit by a light based move: ((? = not sure if actually light based))
Aurora Beam
Charge Beam (?)
Confuse Ray (?)
Dazzling Gleam
Doom Desire
Electro Ball (?)
Flash
Flash Cannon
Hyper Beam (?)
Judgment
Light of Ruin
Luster Purge
Mirror Coat (?)
Mirror Shot
Moon Blast
Night Shade (?)
Power Gem
Seed Flare (?)
Sky Attack (?)
Solar Beam
Techno Blast
Tri Attack (?)
2 things to address
Ice Burn - Yep. Super included it. At lv100. It makes absolute sense for the concept.
Lack of lazorz - I wasn't sure what to do with that. I have an idea though:
Intensity Beam
Type: Fire
Category: Special
PP: 10
Pwr: 100
Acc: 100%
The user charges with light the first turn and then fires a concentrated beam of searing light. Instantly charges under Sunny Day, or the user is hit with light based move during the turn that this move is initially used. Refract still negates damage from light based moves, but will not prevent the light absorbing affect of this move.
***Refract – Boosts Special Attack by one stage and ignores damage when hit by a light based move: ((? = not sure if actually light based))
Aurora Beam
Charge Beam (?)
Confuse Ray (?)
Dazzling Gleam
Doom Desire
Electro Ball (?)
Flash
Flash Cannon
Hyper Beam (?)
Judgment
Light of Ruin
Luster Purge
Mirror Coat (?)
Mirror Shot
Moon Blast
Night Shade (?)
Power Gem
Seed Flare (?)
Sky Attack (?)
Solar Beam
Techno Blast
Tri Attack (?)
First, I would love making a new category of light based moves. I wasn't so sure to bring it up because we were not going to change mechanics and well, I'm a little biased in this situation.
Second, regardless of making the pokemon's data without the design; I still don't see how you can justify the fire type, if you can give me a pokemon (a real poekmon) where there's an analogous situation, by all means do it; the point here is to look at our ideas and ask ourselves; would GF do this? how? did they do something like it before?
Hmm... maybe I should start asking for precedents in all cases.
Volcanion is Water/Fire. Two type we never thought we would see together, and it's basis is that it is an undersea volcanic vent. Which if you think about it too much doesn't make sense since the water has nothing to do with the vent/volcano and is simply just there being heated. No different than a volcano heating the air (but Camerupt, Heatran, and Magargo aren't in anyway flying type, even though their existence would coincidentally heat the air to absurd amounts)
However for my concept, I could definitely see an Ice type pokemon using its body as a focusing lens to concentrate light beams into a fire attack. Yes, this concept could potentially sit as a pure Ice type and be relatively fine, but I think that that line of thinking is a similar result of Water/Fire makes no sense when...
Also, I am not creating a 'new' catagory for moves. GF did this long ago with sound based moves. The classification affects nothing except how the move functions in a few, specific instances.
Now that I look at it:
Intensity Beam
Type: Fire
Category: Special
PP: 10
Pwr: 90
Acc: 100%
The user charges with light the first turn and then fires a concentrated beam of searing light. Instantly charges under Sunny Day, or the user is hit with light based move during the turn that this move is initially used. Refract still negates damage from light based moves, but will not prevent the light absorbing affect of this move.
Volcanion is Water/Fire. Two type we never thought we would see together, and it's basis is that it is an undersea volcanic vent. Which if you think about it too much doesn't make sense since the water has nothing to do with the vent/volcano and is simply just there being heated. No different than a volcano heating the air (but Camerupt, Heatran, and Magargo aren't in anyway flying type, even though their existence would coincidentally heat the air to absurd amounts)
Water and fire join in steam. Scald joins them too. Fire and ice join in water, which is already an element.
Camerupt, heatran and magcargo are not flying because even despite plausibly heating air, and flying type being about the air, it is also about birds and the ability to fly, the "fire heats air" thing is too incidental an obvious to merit an inconsistent typing.
Akwila said:
However for my concept, I could definitely see an Ice type pokemon using its body as a focusing lens to concentrate light beams into a fire attack. Yes, this concept could potentially sit as a pure Ice type and be relatively fine, but I think that that line of thinking is a similar result of Water/Fire makes no sense when...
Yes, but that concept explains an attack, not a typing, as you said, a pure ice type based on refraction would be just fine, but if what you are looking for is a specific combination, you have to go to that intersection, since you are basing your future concept in those ideas completely opposite. This is not animal + element, or animal + animal, this is element + element, and those are hard to do, because "element" is an idea, the animal is just a vehicle, but by adding two ideas, you only have an idea, you must find a vehicle for it.
Akwila said:
Also, I am not creating a 'new' catagory for moves. GF did this long ago with sound based moves. The classification affects nothing except how the move functions in a few, specific instances.
But isn't the distinction itself a category? they did it again with spore and bite moves in gen 6. How does the program work? is it a general list of moves or a list specific for each ability?
Akwila said:
Now that I look at it:
Intensity Beam
Type: Fire
Category: Special
PP: 10
Pwr: 90
Acc: 100%
The user charges with light the first turn and then fires a concentrated beam of searing light. Instantly charges under Sunny Day, or the user is hit with light based move during the turn that this move is initially used. Refract still negates damage from light based moves, but will not prevent the light absorbing affect of this move.
I really don't like the laser move charging... It should be fast, I think. I had thought of it as an electric type move that was secondary fire (melts and buns). It would also be the first light based electric type move.
New Ability! Off topic, but I'd like to get feedback
Rally
Effect: Pokémon's attack and special attack are raised by 2 when HP is in the red. Ability only happens the first time the pokemon gets in the red, so it can't attack/heal/attack/heal to get a massive attack boost
In Game Desc: The Pokémon gains momentum when its HP is low, making both attack stages raise by 2.
Pokémon that have this ability: Growlithe, Arcanine, Plusle, Minun, Axew, Fraxure, Haxorus, Fletchling, Fletchlinder, Talonflame
Ability by DW: Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Hitmontop, Elektrike, Manetric, Mega Manetric, Lilipup, Heridier, Stoutland
Water and fire join in steam. Scald joins them too. Fire and ice join in water, which is already an element.
Camerupt, heatran and magcargo are not flying because even despite plausibly heating air, and flying type being about the air, it is also about birds and the ability to fly, the "fire heats air" thing is too incidental an obvious to merit an inconsistent typing.
Water and Electricity combine to form O2, but we have Lanturn lacking a Flying type or even air related moves at all. Fairies traditionally hate iron/metal and avoid it, but we have Mawile and Klefki. Grass is weak to poison, but that is one of the most common type combos for Grass. Also Scald predates Volcanion by a generation, therefore the move was not created to fit the pokemon.
professorlight said:
Yes, but that concept explains an attack, not a typing, as you said, a pure ice type based on refraction would be just fine, but if what you are looking for is a specific combination, you have to go to that intersection, since you are basing your future concept in those ideas completely opposite. This is not animal + element, or animal + animal, this is element + element, and those are hard to do, because "element" is an idea, the animal is just a vehicle, but by adding two ideas, you only have an idea, you must find a vehicle for it.
Like I said, the concept falls apart if you think on it too much. If we were to include pokemon who have types that make no sense to their nature of being then Azuril, Dunsparce, the Goomy family, the Tynamo family, and Mawile (to name a few) would need their types adjusted to better fit them (Azuril is inexplicably Normal type and suddenly Water type upon evolution despite that it lives and operates nearly identically to Marill anyway/// Dunsparce is also Normal type, digs in the ground, is huge, can fly, has elements of magical powers(see serene grace), and yet is monotyped as Normal///Goomy and family are based on sea slugs. Why Dragons???///Tynamo and family are based on electric eels. While it's Electric typing is fine, why isn't it also water type? and why isn't it found exclusively in water? I can't remember the last time I went for a walk and an electric eel popped out of a bush...///Mawile... there is no reason it should being Fairy or Steel. It just is, and the no one really cares.
The fundamental nature of a pokemon isn't always dependent on it's type, or the other way around.
professorlight said:
But isn't the distinction itself a category? they did it again with spore and bite moves in gen 6. How does the program work? is it a general list of moves or a list specific for each ability?
I think this was addressed? See Soundproof/Bulletproof. The latter's mechanics making 12% sense.
professorlight said:
I really don't like the laser move charging... It should be fast, I think. I had think of it as an electric type move that was secondary fire (melts and buns). It would also be the first light based electric type move.
I think the charge is fundamental. You can't just whip out a magnifying glass and turn it into a death beam. You have to carefully and precisely aim, and focus the beam of light you are subjecting it to. I'm not sure how this would work electrically... How ever I did include Electro Ball on my list of light moves (it is conceivably light based) due to the nature of move being that it cloaks the user in energy. Also the move generates it self when Pikachu breeds while holding a lightball, and has been shown many times (in the anime and other side games) to result in a brilliant ball of light.
To add:
To justify the Fire typing of my Ice/Fire type; It carries the Fire typing because it has a clear and focused grasp of heat and thermodynamics and how to use such techniques to keep it's self safe and to use those skills to live in it's environment.
Also I can see this thing living in colder climates and willing to help fellow pokemon by lighting fires to keep them warm. This to me is just super adorable.
Updated list (there were glaring errors)
Basic form : (Ice Crystal) (Crystaract, Frozactal, Cryact, Refrattak…)
Type: Ice/Fire
Species: Ice Lattice Pokemon
Ability: Solar Power/Ice Body, HA Refract***
Gender ratio: Genderless
Height: 6’00”
Weight: 10lbs
Base stats: 75/85/45/110/190/10
***Refract – Boosts Special Attack by one stage and ignores damage when hit by a light based move: ((? = not sure if actually light based))
Aurora Beam
Charge Beam (?)
Confuse Ray (?)
Dazzling Gleam
Doom Desire
Electro Ball (?)
Flash
Flash Cannon
Hyper Beam (?)
Judgment
Light of Ruin
Luster Purge
Mirror Coat (?)
Mirror Shot
Moon Blast
Night Shade (?)
Power Gem
Seed Flare (?)
Sky Attack (?)
Solar Beam
Techno Blast
Tri Attack (?)
****Intensity Beam
Type: Fire
Category: Special
PP: 10
Pwr: 90
Acc: 100%
The user charges with light the first turn and then fires a concentrated beam of searing light. Instantly charges under Sunny Day, or the user is hit with light based move during the turn that this move is initially used. Refract still negates damage from light based moves, but will not prevent the light absorbing affect of this move.
Water and fire join in steam. Scald joins them too. Fire and ice join in water, which is already an element.
Camerupt, heatran and magcargo are not flying because even despite plausibly heating air, and flying type being about the air, it is also about birds and the ability to fly, the "fire heats air" thing is too incidental an obvious to merit an inconsistent typing.
Water and Electricity combine to form O2, but we have Lanturn lacking a Flying type or even air related moves at all. Fairies traditionally hate iron/metal and avoid it, but we have Mawile and Klefki. Grass is weak to poison, but that is one of the most common type combos for Grass. Also Scald predates Volcanion by a generation, therefore the move was not created to fit the pokemon.
in lanturn you're taking too literal the combination (to the chemical level), mawile I don't have a clue why it is steel, but fairy is obvious. Grass is weak to poison but they don't have a diametrally opposed relationship, since plants have their own poisons too, same thing with bug.
And yes, scald predates volcanion, and volcanion exists now.
Akwila said:
professorlight said:
Yes, but that concept explains an attack, not a typing, as you said, a pure ice type based on refraction would be just fine, but if what you are looking for is a specific combination, you have to go to that intersection, since you are basing your future concept in those ideas completely opposite. This is not animal + element, or animal + animal, this is element + element, and those are hard to do, because "element" is an idea, the animal is just a vehicle, but by adding two ideas, you only have an idea, you must find a vehicle for it.
Like I said, the concept falls apart if you think on it too much. If we were to include pokemon who have types that make no sense to their nature of being then Azuril, Dunsparce, the Goomy family, the Tynamo family, and Mawile (to name a few) would need their types adjusted to better fit them (Azuril is inexplicably Normal type and suddenly Water type upon evolution despite that it lives and operates nearly identically to Marill anyway/// Dunsparce is also Normal type, digs in the ground, is huge, can fly, has elements of magical powers(see serene grace), and yet is monotyped as Normal///Goomy and family are based on sea slugs. Why Dragons???///Tynamo and family are based on electric eels. While it's Electric typing is fine, why isn't it also water type? and why isn't it found exclusively in water? I can't remember the last time I went for a walk and an electric eel popped out of a bush...///Mawile... there is no reason it should being Fairy or Steel. It just is, and the no one really cares.
The fundamental nature of a pokemon isn't always dependent on it's type, or the other way around.
I think the answer to azurill is cheesesticks purple dog talking through its nostrils KABOOM.
Dunsparce was created before the fairy type.
Weren't goomy and family based on a type of slug called "dragon"?
Tynamo and family are electric eels that swim on air through levitation. (aren't they clever?)
Mawile is based on a youkai, a specific example of japanese fairies or demons, I imagine the steel type is similar to the dunsparce case, but for some reason one got the fairy typing and the other didn't
HOWEVER. you made your case. Have at it.
But, that moveset will have to be revised.
Akwila said:
professorlight said:
But isn't the distinction itself a category? they did it again with spore and bite moves in gen 6. How does the program work? is it a general list of moves or a list specific for each ability?
Yes it was, the move and ablity are in, independently of this pokemon's future.
Akwila said:
professorlight said:
I really don't like the laser move charging... It should be fast, I think. I had think of it as an electric type move that was secondary fire (melts and buns). It would also be the first light based electric type move.
I think the charge is fundamental. You can't just whip out a magnifying glass and turn it into a death beam. You have to carefully and precisely aim, and focus the beam of light you are subjecting it to. I'm not sure how this would work electrically... How ever I did include Electro Ball on my list of light moves (it is conceivably light based) due to the nature of move being that it cloaks the user in energy. Also the move generates it self when Pikachu breeds while holding a lightball, and has been shown many times (in the anime and other side games) to result in a brilliant ball of light.
Here I can utilize your own argument:
"The fundamental nature of a pokemonmove isn't always dependent on it's type real life inspiration, or the other way around."
I don't think electroball is light based, it is quite specific: electro-ball. But don't you mean Volt tackle? that's pikachu's exclusive move. But same case anyway, electricity, not light.
Akwila said:
To justify the Fire typing of my Ice/Fire type; It carries the Fire typing because it has a clear and focused grasp of heat and thermodynamics and how to use such techniques to keep it's self safe and to use those skills to live in it's environment.
Also I can see this thing living in colder climates and willing to help fellow pokemon by lighting fires to keep them warm. This to me is just super adorable.
Refract – Boosts Special Attack by one stage and ignores damage when hit by a light based move:
Aurora Beam
Charge Beam
Confuse Ray
Dazzling Gleam
Flash
Flash Cannon
Hyper Beam
Light of Ruin
Luster Purge
Mirror Shot
Moonblast
Power Gem
Solar Beam
Techno Blast
Signal beam
Gender ratio: Genderless
Height: 6’00”
Weight: 10lbs
Base stats: 75/85/45/110/190/10
Refract – Boosts Special Attack by one stage and ignores damage when hit by a light based move:
Aurora Beam
Charge Beam
Confuse Ray
Dazzling Gleam
Flash
Flash Cannon
Hyper Beam
Light of Ruin
Luster Purge
Mirror Shot
Moonblast
Power Gem
Solar Beam
Techno Blast
Signal beam
Gender ratio: Genderless
Height: 6’00”
Weight: 10lbs
Base stats: 75/90/25/130/180/10
Light pulseArc Beam
Type: Electric/Fire
Category: Special
PP: 15
Pwr: 75
Acc: 100%
This move Electric type and Fire type simultaneously. 15% chance to burn.
I don't like tackle. This thing is vastly delicate and doesn't/can't move very much, or it would break. Note the super low Def and HP. I adjusted it's other stats.
I changed Light Pulse in name only. Light =/= electricity.
I really like the cold fusion idea. It makes sense. However I can't help but to notice that it lacks a LOT of fire moves... Still, I feel Ice Burn is almost necessary here. I even put it at lv100. I moreorless based the level/move progression on Volcarona. Also, it can't breed without Ditto, so it can't have egg moves, this was compensated by it learning moves all the way up to Lv100.
Refract – Boosts Special Attack by one stage and ignores damage when hit by a light based move:
Aurora Beam
Charge Beam
Confuse Ray
Dazzling Gleam
Flash
Flash Cannon
Hyper Beam
Light of Ruin
Luster Purge
Mirror Shot
Moonblast
Power Gem
Solar Beam
Techno Blast
Signal beam
Gender ratio: Genderless
Height: 6’00”
Weight: 10lbs
Base stats: 75/90/25/130/180/10
Light pulseArc Beam
Type: Electric/Fire
Category: Special
PP: 15
Pwr: 75
Acc: 100%
This move Electric type and Fire type simultaneously. 15% chance to burn.
I don't like tackle. This thing is vastly delicate and doesn't/can't move very much, or it would break. Note the super low Def and HP. I adjusted it's other stats.
I changed Light Pulse in name only. Light =/= electricity.
I really like the cold fusion idea. It makes sense. However I can't help but to notice that it lacks a LOT of fire moves... Still, I feel Ice Burn is almost necessary here. I even put it at lv100. I moreorless based the level/move progression on Volcarona. Also, it can't breed without Ditto, so it can't have egg moves, this was compensated by it learning moves all the way up to Lv100.
I love arc pulse. We have some iron man in there now. Maybe now I can include the goddamn BATKNIGHT.
Ice burn shouldn't be for the same reason roar of time shouldn't be on reggie's dragon, it's a mascot's signature move. Honestly, the only fire moves I can see here are overheat, flame burst and heat wave... maaaaaybe fire spin. maybe.
Let's switch tackle for icy wind and put ember in icy wind's place.
