What is the question you were asking me @scattered mind because I can't find it
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Could you go into more detail about why you think DOS is scummy? A simple "yes" doesn't give me enough reason to look into her.
You broke your speech restriction again.
What?
Here it is:
I find it strange that scattered is trying so hard to make you respond to this question. It's not actually relevant, and could be a sign of a connection between you two. It's not much for now, but defiantly something to keep in mind.
Ninjad.
Yes.
I think the dos thing is that she was really pressuring new players (mainly @Inferno390, iirc), which is kinda scummy if they're the only ones you're pressuring.
That about right, Camo? And, uh, why aren't you saying anything? :U
That about right, Camo? And, uh, why aren't you saying anything? :U
True, but I did end up getting a good read on Inferno. It's just now he's dead. :x
Took some time to look at the votecounts and I noticed a couple things. Confo town are in green, unknown in blue
Day 1 Votecount
TheSceptileMaster (0) --
Robin Aisaga (2) --
Inferno390 (0) --
Ice Espeon (0) --
bbninjas (0) --
double o squirtle (0) --
PikaMasterJesi (1) --
Squirtle Squad (1) --
TheAnticipationEevee (0) --
Reinforce (0) --
Wailord_2 (2) --
Professor Palutena (10) -- PMJ [#304],
Camoclone (0) --
scattered mind (0) --
I think there's a high chance that scum would hop onto PP's wagon, so I think that at least a couple of them would be scum. I know I'm town, so when I look at everyone who at one point, was on PP's wagon that hasn't flipped yet/didn't flip at all, I see that SS, simsands, bb, PMJ, scattered, Camo and Jesi were all on there. When bb was nightkilled he didn't flip, however, he was the only person that was killed that night, so I think it's likely that he was janitored and town. Leaving SS, simsands, PMJ, scattered, Camo and Jesi. PMJ is unknown, so I'm not quite sure what to think of him. I think that Drac/Wailord was killed because of Wood, so there's a chance that PMJ was janitored. However, then we're left with the situation that is two people being janitored. I think it would be strange for Celever to include two janitors so I'll assume that either bb or PMJ had something that prevented their role from flipping. Nonetheless, I think he was nightkilled, so I won't add him to my list of who was on PP's wagon that might be scum. This leaves SS, Jesi, simsands, Camo and scattered. Out of those five when looking at their votes, my order for whose more suspicious is:
Jesi > Camo > SS > scattered = simsands
Camo was at one point voting for me, PP, Wailord and Robin while Jesi was voting for PP, Wailord, Robin, Inferno and bb. Of course, Jesi's first few votes were RVS (the ones on bb, inferno and Robin), but because she's still learning, I doubt that she'd vote for her scum buddies that early on. What do you know, none of them flipped scum. Out of the people who were killed, SS only voted for PP and Wailord which isn't too much of a tell imo, but still it's a little suspicious. Scattered and simsands only voted for PP which isn't that scummy.
Day 2 Votecount
Robin Aisaga (7) --
Then when I look at this votecount, once again I see scattered, Camo and Jesi. So my new order is:
Jesi > Camo > SS = scattered > simsands
Since not much else is happening, here's the case on Jesi, summed up.
Contradition. Describes how new players panic, and uses that as her main reason to pin him as scum.
Afraid of pressure.
Referring to town as 'they', like someone who wasn't town would do.
WIFOM. AtE.
Backpedaling her TSM vote to join the new hot bandwagon.
Afraid of being called out for backpedaling. Major AtE. Slight rolefish.
Silencer's are quite common, and usually belong to scum. The only ones who should be able to 'highly doubt' the existence of a silencer during D1 are the scum members.
Bandwagon.
Backpedal.
Role fishing.
And when she realizes that, quickly distances herself.
So you're not reading him as scum, but you're still trying to get him lynched?
Stating the obvious.
Bandwagon.
Then defends Camo.
Feels the need for defending herself against criticism against all players.
Summing up some points:
Contradition. Describes how new players panic, and uses that as her main reason to pin him as scum.
Afraid of pressure.
Referring to town as 'they', like someone who wasn't town would do.
WIFOM. AtE.
Backpedaling her TSM vote to join the new hot bandwagon.
Afraid of being called out for backpedaling. Major AtE. Slight rolefish.
Silencer's are quite common, and usually belong to scum. The only ones who should be able to 'highly doubt' the existence of a silencer during D1 are the scum members.
Bandwagon.
Backpedal.
Role fishing.
And when she realizes that, quickly distances herself.
So you're not reading him as scum, but you're still trying to get him lynched?
Stating the obvious.
Bandwagon.
Then defends Camo.
Feels the need for defending herself against criticism against all players.
Summing up some points:
- Contradictions
- Bandwagoning
- Backpedaling
- Role fishing
- Afraid of suspicion
- Seems to know things only scum would know
- Potential slips
While I suppose it doesn't really matter much in Camo's case if he's telling the truth about not having a vote today, I'm curious what makes him so sure that dos is confoscum that he places his unmovable vote on him this early in the day, without any case/defense. Am I missing something?
I think that PikaMasterJesi needing a V/LA looks like she doesn't want to talk and
shows that she is contradicting
##UNVOTE
##VOTEikaMasterJesi
These are the posts that SceptileMaster made that made me kind of question his alignment. He seemed to be really gunning for a lynch on day 1 really quickly, and instead of presenting new lynches with evidence he kind of just went along with the new bandwagon. Also when he was questioned about why he jumped on the lynch he would just back off, and unvote. He is a being a Fair Weather Fan when it comes to these lynches. If it is what everyone wants he jumps on, but when it is questionable he jumps off the bandwagon.
Another problem I saw skimming through the posts is that people seem to be hero worshiping vetran players. Camoclone is a very savvy and skilled player, but that doesn't mean he is town automatically. The biggest reason to trust Camo right now is because of his pro-town behaviors thus far.
NinjaPenguin seemed to be all for the lynch on Robin when he called out people for lurking, but ignored Camo getting on PiMaJe for what appeared to be lurking.
The reason why I brought this out is that NinjaPenguin's worship of Veteran players especially Camoclone is really anti-town. Saying anyone questioning another player is scummy is totally against the spirit of Mafia. No one is cleared unless the role is shown. Saying "You should know how he plays" as an excuse to just agree with him is extremely poor.
Also saying that lynchimg veteran players is scummy is maybe the most scummy post of the game. It is almost like you want to protect them because you have an invested interest in them. Experienced players are scum all the time. You can't assume someone's alignment based on experience.
@Mr.Muffin
I felt that double o squirtle was overanalyzing every post, but after the game developed a little, he started to give off towny vibes
I then voted for inferno since he was acting very suspicous.
The bbninja vote was a mistake, because I totally forgot that the game partially focused on influencing lynches and people.
The PikaMasterJesi contradiction was that before Celever and Jesi stated the V/LA were for private reasons that did not have anything to do about the game directly, I felt that it was suspicous to take a V/LA while being targeted as scum and being analyzed
I felt that double o squirtle was overanalyzing every post, but after the game developed a little, he started to give off towny vibes
I then voted for inferno since he was acting very suspicous.
The bbninja vote was a mistake, because I totally forgot that the game partially focused on influencing lynches and people.
The PikaMasterJesi contradiction was that before Celever and Jesi stated the V/LA were for private reasons that did not have anything to do about the game directly, I felt that it was suspicous to take a V/LA while being targeted as scum and being analyzed
My vote isn't unmovable.
Camo does those kind of votes to pressure. It's not legit.
Robin was trying to justify his vote with a stupid excuse (to avoid looking scummy, which is scummy in and of itself).
Jesi said:
and Robin said:
which were both calling Camo scummy for his MO of switching votes to pressure and get reads (even though they have played with him in the past and therefore know his playstyle). If that's the only reason to vote someone, it's not good at all.
My comment on PP was because the case on him was worthless at that point. I couldn't understand any of the points against him, and thought people wanted to lynch him to eliminate the more experienced players (like what happened with him and Camo last game).
If a veteran did something legitimately scummy, I would be fine lynching them.
Hmm, okay. I won't ask you to answer if that's related to your role or if you missed the notice on the day update.
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