PlasmaKlang
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I played PKK at Sates yesterday and loved it. went 5-1 in Swiss rounds (lost to some rogue in top cut though). I wasn't the only one either. So it isn't the best, but not terrible either. I'd say it's Tier 1.5-2.
SheNinja said:
Plasma Kyurem is weak to Metal. Energy Press will knock it out if it's got 3 energy on it. Unless Plasma Frigate is involved, which I highly doubt that will be played. Whatever it's first attack is called isn't really a problem once you're set up, just think of it as a less consistent Landorus that goes through Plasma Steel, which isn't really a problem for this deck. And you can tech a few Pokemon Center to sort of help you're Klink's survive. And Plasma Box also runs almost all- if not all, Special Energy, so you can discard there Energy every turn with Righteous Edge. It might be alright against Klinklang, but very far from unwinnable.
Blah said:
Could you please explain this? Not it's current viability, I've already seen all the bullet points on that argument, but it's match up with Plasma Box (that's Thundurus/Deoxys/Kyurem/stuff, right?).
To both of you, I'd also like to stand by my argument that ONE DECK WON'T COMPLETELY ELIMINATE ANOTHER DECK FROM THE GAME! It's just another bad match up. It will still be around, and plenty of other decks have bad match ups to it, that's why it will be good; because it's good against other decks.
DrunkSpinda said:
Well, let's look at the current tier 1 decks, shall we?
The 2 widely considered tier 1 decks:
Darkrai/Lasers: Very good match (for Klinklang).
Blastoise: Decently good match up.
4 other decks that are considered by some to be tier 1:
Darkrai/Hammers/Lasers: Bad match up, but winnable.
Landorus/other Big Basics: Very good match up.
Ray/Eels: Horrible match up.
Garbodor: Horrible match up. Slightly better if you run Tool Scrapper.
Can't think of anything else right now.
In my opinion, this is the tier list of these decks:
Tier 1:
Darkrai/Lasers (with and without Hammers)
Blastoise
Landorus/Big Basics
Tier 2:
Rayquaza/Eelektrik
Garbodor
If you can think of any other decks, please let me know. I'd love to be proved wrong.
Also, I got top 4 with PlasmaKlang at States yesterday (5 rounds, top 4), so I see this deck as viable now that I've played it in a tournament. I also beat 3 Darkrai decks in Swiss, just sayin'.
Hammers isn't as bad a matchup as I thought (though that might just be me) with EtherDex. I beat one yesterday fairly easily.
Did you guys play Tropical Beach? If not what did you replace it with, because I dont have any.
SheNinja said:
You would think, wouldn't you? But apparently it does. I play 4 Ether and 3 Pokedex in mine, works wonders.
MountainDrew said:
I used 1 Durant with Call for Backup, which helped in the early turns when I wasn't attacking. Usually I would get T1 Energy Press or Righteous Edge though then T2 Iron Breaker or Steel Bullet.
SheNinja said:
I highly doubt that, it's just an option. A good choice, but still an option.
Keeper of Night said:
Is the Dragons Exalted Durant any good in this deck for getting cards back?
SheNinja said:
There are tons of things that can already do that. And as I said, Energy Press (if they have 3 energy, which they would in your example) or Iron Breaker can knock it out in one hit, and since they can't power up Kyurem in one turn, you can just keep Catchering up the Kyurem as they power it up. Also, just to point out, they don't need Laser/Virbank if they have 2 Deoxys out, and I still don't think that's a huge problem.
Keeper of Night said:
Well, I meant the non EtherDex version, which is the one most people use. I probably feel more optimistic about the Hammer match up then most people. The general consensus is that Hammers is a auto loss, which I disagree with.
MountainDrew said:
I don't, because I'm not rich/a lucksack/good enough to get into worlds. I don't think there's as big a need as Blastoise, since this deck is more "get Klinklang out, you win," while Blastoise is "get Blastoise out, attach 3+ energy every turn, you win." Blastoise needs a lot of cards in it's hand every turn, so it pretty much needs Tropical Beach to work in the early game. Klinklang needs 1 of each Klinklang (you can afford to set the Shift Gear one up later), a energy every turn, and occasionally a Switch or Catcher or another Pokemon. I just play a lot of supporters in my deck. None of any Durants, just Juniper, N, Colress and Skyla.
SheNinja said:
Thundurus need to use it's attack to do that. It's probably really easy to get one set up in 2 turns, but 1... you'd have to have a Kyurem with a Water-providing energy on it on the bench when your fully powered up one get's KOed to use them back to back. The only other way to attach energy is with Colress Machine, but Kyurem only uses 1 Colorless Energy. Or you could use some Scramble Switch shenanigans, I guess.
MountainDrew said:
I didn't play it because I used Pokedex to give my self Supporters/stuff anyway. But I do suppose it's an option.
Baby_BI said:
Wouldnt the water steel lighting fighting blend work better to attack with klinklang if needed