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Latias also has STAB on one of the best attacks in the game, and both the Speed and Special Attack to use it effectively. Throw Specs on him and you've got quite a brute on your hands who is capable of completely wrecking the opposition.
 
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Considering Blaziken was added to the ban list, I was surprised to find the Dream World list wasn't updated to include English names for abilities. As such, I've updated the list and added Musharna and Darmanitan since technically their Dream World abilities are available for use (you can get them in-game).
 
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Thank you PMJ, I was going to do this when I woke up but you beat me to it.
 
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I have updated the PB Server to have Blaziken be treated as Uber now.
 
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invincible basculin sweeps through subway Why is Excadrill a suspect Pokemon?
 
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In a sandstorm, its Speed is doubled, presuming you are using the ability that doubles its Speed in the Sandstorm. Add on its very high Attack and easy to pull off Swords Dance and it can blow through many Pokemon in a flash.
 
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Blazkien shouldnt be banned just because the ability speed boost, The move hi jump kick, and the move swords cuz at the same time he can grow a whole bunch in power he still has alot of things that are super effective against him and doesnt have that well of defense
 
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adan15 said:
Blazkien shouldnt be banned just because the ability speed boost, The move hi jump kick, and the move swords cuz at the same time he can grow a whole bunch in power he still has alot of things that are super effective against him and doesnt have that well of defense
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Read this post. Hopefully I answered most of your questions on why Blaziken was banned in that one post.

Also, since when does a sweeper's defenses make them a bad sweeper? That's just like saying nobody should use Infenape, Lucario (although he does have some nifty resistances), Azelf, Electrive, Excadrill, and Jolteon (who has large Sp. Def stat, but not really a large HP and Def. stat) simply because some of their defenses are bad and do not allow them to take a hit very well. Most of the best sweepers in the game have around 70 defenses. Their defensive stats are completely irrelevant because they make up for it with their offensive powers.
 
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I know he is a good sweeper but lets say you are going against a water type with higher speed than your and then he gets to attack first your blaziken is basically dead unless you avoid the other person's attack
 
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Well that is very unlikely that someone would have a have a speedy water on that very first turn against your SB Blaziken. Even if you switch a Jellicent into a SB Blaziken you will not be faster then it cause it has +2 (or is SB 1?) speed >_>
 
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adan15 said:
I know he is a good sweeper but lets say you are going against a water type with higher speed than your and then he gets to attack first your blaziken is basically dead unless you avoid the other person's attack
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Can you please not use "What if..." scenarios. "What if..." scenarios really never support a point, and they're really just excuses. You basically said this in your post:

I do not think Blaziken should be banned because he could be outsped by a Water-type if he doesn't get a Speed Boost, or I'm carrying a ScarfedStarmie to outspeed it after a Speed Boost.
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"What if..." scenarios are really, really lame and bring nothing to the table of why Blaziken should or should not be banned. Unless you can come up with a more sensible reason of why he shouldn't be banned, you're really just throwing random "if this would've happened in a battle, Blaziken would not be banned" posts.
 
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Ok then here is an example and im not looking to start a fight i just dont think blaziken should get banned ok so if a level 100 blaziken is fighting a level 100 sharpedo they both have their speed at the highest they could go so blaziken would have 284 speed while sharpedo would have 317 speed. Blaziken's special defense is only 262 when sharpedo's special attack is 317. So sharpedo would attack first use hydro pump then bam blaziken is dead
 
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Well again the chances of having a max spe sharpedo on the first turn of a battle is really unlikely :(
 
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actually they just use whatever pokemon has higher speed to go first and another example i was using speed boost blaziken in a battle against a BUTTERFREE and BUTTERFREE used psychic it attack first so i guess it had better speed and in one hit blaziken was dead and i was fighting blaziken against togekiss and hi jump kick barely did anything when he didnt even boost it's defense so speed boost blakien is highly defeatable and my attack was at its maximum
 
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@adam lol. Your completly wrong. You probubly didn't EV or IV right at all. Also i'm pretty sure people are smart enough to not keep Blaziken on something faster before a speed boost that can easily KO it. Just drop the arguement now. This has been discussed before.
 
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and i was fighting blaziken against togekiss and hi jump kick barely did anything when he didnt even boost it's defense so speed boost blakien is highly defeatable and my attack was at its maximum
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Please tell me you're lying about the whole Togekiss story. >_>

The following calculations assume that Blaziken has an Adamant nature, 252 Atk EVs, has not used Swords Dance, uses HJK, and is not holding a Life Orb:

vs 252 HP / 252 Def Bold Togekiss: 44.1% - 52.1%

After SR damage, that's a 2HKO. Blaziken wins that match.

The following calculations assume that Blaziken has an Adamant nature, 252 Atk EVs, has used Swords Dance, uses HJK, and is not holding a Life Orb:

vs 252 HP / 252 Def Bold Togekiss: 87.7% - 103.5%

That's a 2HKO or OHKO nonetheless.

The following calculations assume that Blaziken has an Adamant nature, 252 Atk EVs, has used Swords Dance, uses HJK, and is holding a Life Orb:

vs 252 HP / 252 Def Bold Togekiss: 113.9% - 134.2%

Please, if you're going to talk in a thread like this, please use fact and not a made up story. Either:

A) You don't know how to use Blaziken, which is why you failed to hurt the Togekiss. If that's the case, I don't think the discussion is really going well for you. Please learn how Blaziken preforms and come back to this thread with a solid case.
B) You made the story up.

PDC is completely right; this has been brought up one too many times. He's banned. Deal with it. If you want to use him that badly, play Ubers. Other than that, this argument is pretty much over with.
 
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Lolz you completelu ignored my posts :(
Please don't spam.~de
 
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No im not lying about the whole togekiss story
@palkia dialga clash nope i even looked at serebii.net to see how high blaziken's stats can get and compared to my speed and attack and it was perfect iv

Nope ask the person known as Xgo absol he is the guy i battled and the first attack i did on togekiss was hi jump kick i dont think you need to know how to use blazkien to just use an attack and for it to do a lot of damage. I'm not arguing it was a simple question and you guys started arguing about it well except Oshawatt fan. But i did iv and ev it right cuz i compared the stats at serebii.net and my attack is a high as it can get
 
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If you have skype, can you contact me? skype:dragonexpert8323 I can try and teach you a bit about why its banned.
 
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