RE: PokeBeach's Official Ban List
Removed Latios from the ban list; added Garchomp to the ban list on our PO server.
Removed Latios from the ban list; added Garchomp to the ban list on our PO server.
Fridge said:Woah, slow up a minute, We're banning garchomp? Can someone explain the logic here? I know smogon have banned it, but we've done 0 testing and shouldn't we reach our own conclusions?
I said that speed boost blaziken was better than garchomp i said that garchomp isn't as good as speed boost blazikenslickmario said:Speed Boost Blaziken lol what? Garchomp is good, but is no where near as amazing as Blaziken with one SD and rapid Speed Boost. Not to mention the occasional Baton Pass.
Fridge said:Woah, slow up a minute, We're banning garchomp? Can someone explain the logic here? I know smogon have banned it, but we've done 0 testing and shouldn't we reach our own conclusions?
TheDarkLucario said:Garchomp is one of the best sweepers ever created by Game Freak. With awesome offensive powers (base 130 Attack along with high power moves and access to Swords Dance. Its base 102 Speed is also nothing to joke about) and decent bulk (108/95/85, which is bulkier than Swampert), Garchomp is a complete nightmare to face. Although Garchomp has so many great things under his belt, he still had his counters. Wait, did I forget to mention Sand Veil? Sand Veil gives Garchomp a free 20% Evasion to all moves when Sandstorm is in play, meaning your Ice Beam that will normally score a OHKO on Chomp is going to be hitting like Stone Edge. Garchomp is a Pokemon you DO NOT want to give a free turn to set up on because of a miss caused by Sand Veil. Many players started abusing Sand Veil to the fullest by giving Garchomp the moveset Substitute/Swords Dance/Dragon Claw/Earthquake. The idea behind this set is to use Substitute until your opponent finally misses, then set up a Swords Dance and proceed to sweep. Many say that Garchomp can be easily countered by Bronzong and Skarmory (who could only phaze, btw), but both suffer from the terror that is known as Sand Veil or by a rarer Fire Fang variant.
dragonexpert said:I totally agree to this ban. It costed me plenty of matches just a couple days ago. I only needed one of three moves to hit to break sub and I miss with all three. Garchomp just has such good stats and a movepool to use them that it works wonders even without Sand Veil. It also just passes the base 100s in Speed making it able to deal with them effectively. One may claim Ferrathorn is also a good check, but the problem with that statement is that if Sub is up, you're getting 2HKO'd by Earthquake from a +2 Garchomp. The rare versions that have Fire Fang are also problematic for Ferrathorn.
The Yache Berry variant, though less popular, was also a great set. It gets rid of the most common technique to get rid of Garchomp, Ice Beam. True it will get 2HKO'd still, but chances are Garchomp will KO the foe before it takes a second Ice Beam. It worked by setting up Swords Dance just like the other, but had protection from its main weakness. This makes the only technique to get rid of this variant in one hit be Outrage from a powerful dragon Pokemon assuming it hits if the weather is sandstorm.
slickmario said:Speed Boost Blaziken lol what? Garchomp is good, but is no where near as amazing as Blaziken with one SD and rapid Speed Boost. Not to mention the occasional Baton Pass.
TheDarkLucario said:We also don't really have a large enough community to do our own suspect testings. Maybe if we had a large enough community we could, but I think we should just follow Smogon's tiers to avoid confusion and save time.
Red Striker said:Why is it that Shaymin Sky Forme is banned,but Lande Forme isn't?Is it beacuse of Serene Grace+Kings Rock+Air Slash=Nere-Infinate flinching?You do know that there's another pokemon that can do just that,but can learn two flinch moves.(I'm not saying what pokemon,since It's likley to get banned if I say.)
Red Striker said:You do know that there's another pokemon that can do just that,but can learn two flinch moves.(I'm not saying what pokemon,since It's likley to get banned if I say.)