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I'm surprised to see Aegislash being tested, though I can understand the pro-ban side. It's definitely very good.

What are your thoughts on Smogon's Aegislash suspect test? Do you think it will be banned? Why or why not?

I haven't played competitively in a long while, so I'm not particularly qualified to give an informed opinion, but I'm interested in hearing what you guys think.
 
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Personally, I'm surprised it took them so long. I consider Aegislash way more dangerous than the Deoxys formes or any of the Megas currently available. Its amazing versatility and high offensive/defensive stats along with a plethora of sets make for something way stronger and unpredictable than we had thought back when it was first introduced.
 
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Aegislash was banned with a 62% supermajority. Enjoy him, Jackal.

Updated list.
 
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All hail Pinsir the new king of OU. Pinsir can now run CC over EQ and Gardevoir, Heracross, and Medicham just got better. Funny enough, those three all hate taking a hit from Pinsir. I, for one, welcome our new beetle overlord.
 
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Cinesra said:
All hail Pinsir the new king of OU. Pinsir can now run CC over EQ and Gardevoir, Heracross, and Medicham just got better. Funny enough, those three all hate taking a hit from Pinsir. I, for one, welcome our new beetle overlord.
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My sentiments exactly. Freely being able to run CC + Moxie is a godsend for it, and having Kyu-B as a teammate to take out Rotom-W guarantees that viability. It's all the better that Pinsir is a pretty fun mega to use.

As much as I hate to admit it, the loss of Aegislash promotes a wide spectrum of teambuilding options now, and less team centralization will take place as a result. Aegislash was a great Pokémon and a defining force of XY OU, but perhaps its ban is for the better. Alongside the aforementioned fighting types and Gardevoir, lots of Pokémon pushed over for Aegis become more viable: Jirachi, Metagross, Toxicroak, etc. Terrakion even gets the ability to forego EQ for SubSalac, double dancing or additional coverage.
 
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Still gonna miss Aegi. That was a close ban, and definitely controversial.
Oh well, I guess I'll make a Metal Massacre Vol.2 without Aegi.
 
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Even though I'm a bit surprised at the ban, I'm not going to argue. Like others have said, it will open up spots for plenty of new Pokemon that have been held back by Aegislash. Plus, my own team becomes about 50% more viable.
 
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Cinesra said:
All hail Pinsir the new king of OU. Pinsir can now run CC over EQ and Gardevoir, Heracross, and Medicham just got better. Funny enough, those three all hate taking a hit from Pinsir. I, for one, welcome our new beetle overlord.
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And yet all four are kept in check by Choice Band Talonflame, who one-shots all of them with Brave Bird. I do like the diversity now available though with Sneaky Sword gone though.

Uralya said:
Jirachi, Metagross
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Too bad Knock Off is on almost everything and their mother.
 
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http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-ou-suspect-process-round-6-voting.3515641/#post-5686060

And there goes Mawilite. Updated list.
 
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Meh, I don't think Mawile was broken. It had its checks; Pinsir will be gone soon at this pace.
 
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Mega Mawile was hard if you weren't prepared for it. Switching to another Pokemon wasn't exactly risk free as it either suffers a strong attack or Mawile could set up a Swords Dance making it very difficult to survive any attack.
 
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Today truly is a sad day in competitive Pokemon. Perhaps once ORAS are released, she'll get a retest. Maybe now I'll have an excuse to start playing ubers...
 
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Juliacoolo said:
Meh, I don't think Mawile was broken. It had its checks; Pinsir will be gone soon at this pace.
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I see where you're coming from, but having checks+counters doesn't necessarily mean a pokemon shouldn't be banned. Look at Latias in DPP for example. Tyranitar, Jirachi, and Blissey not only checked, but hard countered any Latias set, barring something ridiculous like Reflect Type. (coughPMJcough.) The problem was that it was a very centralizing pokemon, since any team wanting to be competitive had to include one of the very limited checks/counters in the tier. So while it might not beat everything in the tier, the overall strain it put onto temabuilding was very harmful for the metagame, which resulted in its ban.

I think this is fairly analogous to Mega-Mawile now. It definitely has pokemon that can check or even counter it in XY OU. (ie: Landorus-T) But overall it might hinder the tier more than helping it by way of there being such limited checks available. I am not sure if I agree with the ban just yet, but I can certainly see where they're coming from.
 
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I'm done playing OU. I might go play nu now
I used to defend Smogon saying that they knew what they were doing
Now they are literally banning anything that was good.
And now I'm playing vgc
 
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Can't say I love the latest ban... again, I can see where it's coming from, but I wouldn't consider Mega Mawile broken material... We'll have to see how the metagame goes on without her.
 
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I've been out of the competitive seen lately and just now saw that M-Mawile and Aegisladh were banned! This in my opinion is ridiculous, Smogon is banning any pokemon that is good or considered to hard to counter. Part of a meta game is to bend and adapt to the challeges, not remove them completly to prevent whinning. If they keep banning, every team will look the same and the their meta will be unliked. Already i have seen teams that carry 3 or 4 of the same pokemon that i do or have the same exact team that i just battled. Banning is taking away the competitive edge to pokemon and is making it less enjoyable.
 
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^That's kind of the idea of banning stuff: so that teams don't end up looking the same. The tl;dr version is: Pokemon like Mawile have a very limited set of counters, so every single team will carry one of these counters, which is exactly what you want to prevent.

You can see my post above comparing Mawile to Latias from DPP for a further explanation, but I can see where smogon is coming from.
 
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^^^ I understand what you mean, and what Smogon is doing, but if smogon bans things to make teams more diverse then more things should be ban.(I know things are banned for being to strong but based on you previous post you say its for diverity) Based on your previous post ferrothorn should be banned, it is nearly on every team i face which causes people to carry magnezones or Zaptos'. Those three pokes by them selves are on most teams, Celfable is another that should be banned based on that logic. I know you can say, They are easily countered and arent that strong but based on you previous post you say,
^^That's kind of the idea of banning stuf: so teams don't end up looking the same.
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So this goes back to Ferrothorn, since he is nearly on every team, you must carry a counter to him. Most people choose Magnezone(Magnet Pull/HP Fire) or Zapdos(Heat wave) so now teams are more similar than different.
 
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I dunno where you play, but I've faced a very limited number of Ferrothorns, even less Zapdos and the only Magnezone I saw recently was the one I tested for one of my teams. What you face in the ladder is also greatly affected by chance. The usage stats for Zapdos and Magnezone were pretty low last time I checked. Also, Ferrothorn does not need to be countered; it's a defensive Pokemon, and Fire moves aren't the only thing that dent it. Conkeldurr can beat it, Pinsir can beat it in cases, Infernape, Charizard, Heracross etc. Most of which are pretty common Pokemon which serve a lot of other roles and just happen to kill Ferrothorn in the way; people do not carry them for Ferrothorn in the first place. You cannot compare Ferrothorn to a Pokemon with nine resistances, Swords Dance, Sucker Punch, SubPunch and effectively 259 base Attack (Mawile).
 
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Chaos Jackal said:
I dunno where you play, but I've faced a very limited number of Ferrothorns, even less Zapdos and the only Magnezone I saw recently was the one I tested for one of my teams. What you face in the ladder is also greatly affected by chance. The usage stats for Zapdos and Magnezone were pretty low last time I checked. Also, Ferrothorn does not need to be countered; it's a defensive Pokemon, and Fire moves aren't the only thing that dent it. Conkeldurr can beat it, Pinsir can beat it in cases, Infernape, Charizard, Heracross etc. Most of which are pretty common Pokemon which serve a lot of other roles and just happen to kill Ferrothorn in the way; people do not carry them for Ferrothorn in the first place. You cannot compare Ferrothorn to a Pokemon with nine resistances, Swords Dance, Sucker Punch, SubPunch and effectively 259 base Attack (Mawile).
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I dont know but for me thats what i have noticed recently. I know its not the best example but I fit for what I have seem recently. Maybe I have only been unlucky with teams that i have faced but this was based on personal experiece.
 
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