RE: Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire 10th Anniversary Coming Soon
Mitja said:
half of the addedd would be stuff like Shellos and Gible, along with Roserade&co, and the other half new Hoenn-native pokemon.
Which Pokemon are "half new Hoenn natives". I mean, I know Shellos is since it was originally intended to be a Hoenn region Pokemon, but aside from that, IDK who you're talking about.
Mitja said:
The 50 added old ones... well Beartic and Crustle I could see fit (the main problem I had earlier was that many Unova pokemon have their original counterparts on this side of the planet already ala Geodude/Roggenrola)... but it would still make more sense if some Sinnoh pokes reached this region than Unova which is aparently far away (note that most of the old pokes added for BW2 are explained by breakouts of poketransfer lab and many trainers recently visiting from the japan-based islands.
Well yeah, I wasn't thinking of duplicate Pokemon like Roggenrola and Klink, they'd be pointless additions. I was thinking more unique ones and Pokemon that would either fit Hoenn's tropical theme or balance out the type chart (which for the most part isn't that bad but naturally is lacking in Ice types). The only duplicate I suggested was Frillish, and that was to give Hoenn more Ghost types. And Alomomola if you consider it a Luvdisc duplicate, but I don't. As for Unova Pokemon appearing in Hoenn, well it seems pretty clear that Unova is less isolated in BW2 (in terms of communication and trade), so it's quite likely that by that time, trainers have been to Unova, caught Pokemon there, and came back, and also new batches of wild Pokemon may have been introduced there on purpose (I can see several Water type families and otherwise tropical inhabitants thriving in Hoenn's warm climate). That could even be a plot point in the games, that the various regions are starting to become more interconnected.
Mitja said:
A special case is Lucario, which Id currently actually consider a Unova-native, since it was a gift in DPt to begin with.)
I don't want to get into this argument too much (it's been done to death on Serebii), but no, availability in the games isn't the sole determining factor in which Pokemon are native. Availability is really more of a design decision (in this case to make Riolu a rare Pokemon). Whether or not Riolu can be considered a Unova native is also up for debate, but it's a trickier issue.
Mitja said:
My top choices:
-Shinx/Luxio/Luxray
-Shellos/Gastrodon
-Larvitar/Pupitar/Tyranitar
-Hippopotas/Hippowdon
-Gible/Gabite/Garchomp
-Tyrogue/Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan/Hitmontop
-Remoraid/Octillery
-Mantyke/Mantine
-Carnivine
-Budew/Roserade/Gallade/Probopass/Magnezone/Chingling/Rhyperior/Froslass/Dusknoir
-Regigigas obviously
I'm not sure about most of those. They could fit in theory, but not really as strongly as some of the ones I suggested. A lot of the mountain dwelling ones in particular, there's really only one section of Hoenn that's particularly mountainous, which is the area around Mt. Chimney (also to a lesser degree, the outside of Mt. Pyre). I guess they could add more mountains, but considering Hoenn is a region made up of smaller islands, it doesn't quite seem likely or necessary. What's your reason for Shinx, Larvitar, and the Hitmons?
Mitja said:
The 50 new ones.. well apart from including new secret main legends (since a decade later sequel would obviously not reuse the same plot),
I think as far as the main legends, they're probably going to give us new forms of Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza.
Mitja said:
there would be new pokemon mostly in newer and expanded areas.
I don't think they should limit themselves like this. It tends to lead to bad Pokemon distribution (I'm looking at you BW2). Besides, it's way more interesting for the distribution if old areas have some new Pokemon there that weren't there before, it makes finding them more exciting.
Mitja said:
and some new evos for Banette, Luvidsc, Castform etc. (Id evolve Castform to make it keep forme of current weather and get the ability that causes it, so there is a weather inducer that doesnt seem random).
I don't think they should put completely new Pokemon in the game either. It'd be better to get acquainted with new Pokemon all at once in a completely new game then having a few in one game and a few in another.
Mitja said:
The path through the region would be shuffled around a bit, with several gyms changed, while some would have kids of the previous leaders in their place.
That would be too cliche if all of the new gym leaders are just kids of the old ones. The new gym leaders should be completely new characters, and probably in completely new cities as well.
Also, I thought of some more Pokemon to add to the Hoenn Dex:
-I like a few of your suggestions (besides the ones I already suggested, Hippopotas, Carnivine, and Manaphy are good)
-Joltik/Galvantula (The Pokedex claims that it likes to suck power from cities. New Mauville sidequest anyone?)
-Buizel/Floatzel (can sometimes be found in beaches as well as rivers)
-Shuckle, although that might end up being too close to Dwebble/Crustle
-Yanma/Yanmega (typically dwells in more tropical climates)
And some maybes:
-Sandile/Krokorok/Krookodile
-Darumaka/Darmanitan
-Litwick/Lampent/Chandelure
-Drifloon/Drifblim
-Spiritomb
-Vullaby/Mandibuzz
-Pineco/Forretress
-Ferroseed/Ferrothorn
-Croagunk/Toxicroak
-Stunfisk