Finished The Resistance Game 1 - Spies Win

[GM DracLord]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

I would say no. Since i'm pretty confident that they are atkeast to spies in this team

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Before I say anything, doesn't this mission require two fails? Just to be sure we're playing by the rules I'm used to.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Before I say anything, doesn't this mission require two fails? Just to be sure we're playing by the rules I'm used to.

No, it only requires 1 fail.

 

[PMJ]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

This one only has 5 people on the mission, so even if you're Resistance, it can still succeed. I would still approve the mission if it was the one I posted + TheGuy - Kecleon, because I think you're likely to be the last Resistance.

Or you would still approve it because both you and Keeper are spies and switching Guy and Kecleon would have no bearing on the mission's inevitable failure.

I vote no to this endeavor, because I'm convinced that Machamp and Keeper are spies. Machamp is trying awfully hard to lead in a game where that can't really be done and I don't like it. Keeper reeks of scum and I've explained that before already.

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

*I want Drac to vote first.*
*votes first*
Also I'm still a bit suspicious of KoN and Kecleon being put on the same team. I obviously stuffed up a little on my team, but from that I think that, given what's been said so far, either of the above or MTC himself is scum. Thus I vote no.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

2l8m8

If you're town and we lose to spies, that's on you

... Yeah, it's my fault for being chosen, and voting success. It's all my fault for someone else choosing me to go on a mission, and for me to follow the normal rules and vote success. I wanted to vote fail for the shits and giggles, but I didn't.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Ugh, where did you guys get that I voted fail. My post was exactly like TheGuy's claim of spy, stupid.

 

[PMJ]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Sure it was stupid, if you're town. At this stage of the game I have no choice but to believe you, and neither does any other resistance member.

 

[Porygon-X]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

I would vote No to this mission. I don't trust KoN or Kecleon, both of whom are on the mission.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Before I say anything, doesn't this mission require two fails? Just to be sure we're playing by the rules I'm used to.

No, it only requires 1 fail.

Snap. Well, that bites. Gotta be flawless here.

I just put together a scumlist with my opinions on each of these people, complete with questions for those on it!

People:

• Yours Truly: Town. I have been scumhunting, and have been helpful -- to my knowledge, at least. Other than the "I'm town because I know I'm town and you can't say any different" logic, I think this is a good case to my towniness. Plus, I'm Merlin.
• TheGuy: Neutral. Not entirely sure what to think about TheGuy. He's a total wild-card, mission-wise, and as much as I hate to say it, we might have to take him on the mission just because he hasn't been on one. Logically speaking, one or two of the wild-cards should be town. I'm just not sure what to think of this one. TheGuy, why do you think that I'm a spy, and why do you so desperately want to be on a mission that could afford to not have a town on it, seeing as there is only five people going?
• PMJ: High Risk, most likely Spy. No one has really questioned PMJ's authenticity up until this point, which I find odd. That either usually means that the three team-mates of his back him up, and everyone joins in like a bandwagon. They put a cap on all suspicion because people don't want to seem scummy, attacking someone who "everyone" thinks is town. He's been on every mission, ergo he's been on two failed missions in a row! The first one almost always succeeds, no matter how many Spies are on it, so it doesn't really even count. If you want a commonality, I'd start with looking at him. Also, this:

  I don't want to say why. I've already said too much (and I don't mean in my last post, which I realize was nothing but an image conveying my vote).

  
  ... Was said right after he said this:
  
  

  I think you'd actually want to vote yes -because- there's probably a spy on it, and there's nothing you can do about it...

  
  Can't remember if he even brought that back up.
• Keeper of Night: High Risk, most likely Spy or being framed. One thing I've noticed is the fact that no one really questions PMJ on anything, whereas people have been really looking hard at Keeper. No one has really defended him that avidly from what I can tell, and that either means his team-mates have left him to die, roasting in the limelight, or that he's being framed for the fails, and tossed into the limelight as a scapegoat. Either way, we can afford to not have a town on this mission just as long as the rest of them are towns, so I'd leave Keeper out no matter what.
• Porygon-X: Scummy but 70% town. After I looked into him, I think he might be town. He reacted vehemently to my accusations, and being a test to see if he would do that, he failed said test. But that doesn't prove anything -- he's still slightly scummy in my eyes, so I wouldn't take him on this mission personally, but the possibility of him being town is still there. Thankfully, this mission is only five people.
• rev3rsor: Really Scummy. He's crafted the double fail mission, and has been acting rather scummy for the better part of the game. Rev, you have both been inactive and rather lacking in your posts. Why are you town?
• WanderingWolf: Town. I honestly think he's town. I believe he did joke when he said "throwing fail for the town" -- even earning himself three likes in the process. His posts haven't been lacking, and I honestly have a good vibe from him.
• Drohn: Scummy/Spy. He's mostly been joking instead of defending himself or scumhunting. Honestly he seems really scummy at this point, especially since he's been on a failing mission. However, if PMJ is a Spy -- and I think he is -- then it would be openly insane to put on a fellow spy on a mission -- the first mission -- for fear of double spy. It is for that reason that I believe that one of those two, but not both, are spies. I think I'd go as far as to say that he should be put on the next mission if PMJ is a Spy, but that's just my opinion.
• GM Draclord: Neutral/Scummy, or just really inactive. Read just from his behavior. He's been posting really... Well, I hate to use the word "lacking", so perhaps I'll just say that his posts didn't really /say/ anything. They just kind of had two sentences and he faded back into obscurity. He's been really busy apparently, and I get that. But that doesn't mean he isn't a spy, I just think that he's really inactive and should be looked into more.
• Machamp the Champion: Scummy. I think he's a spy because apparently he wants this mission to fail. The mission with Pory on it failed, with he, PMJ, WW, Drohn all on the same boat until someone sank it. Machamp must really believe that Porygon is the spy, because he put in three out of the four from that mission into this one. Frankly, I don't see that as the case. Looking over his posts, he did say that he thought Porygon was a spy, but you know what, I actually disagree for the moment. I think it was PMJ and/or Keeper of Night who threw the fail. But that seems to bring me to my next point -- he's been an advocate of PMJ and Keeper from the beginning, and seeing as they've been on every mission, he's practically guilty from association.
  

Missions:

• PMJ, Keeper of Night and Drohn Success -- PMJ's mission
• PMJ, Keeper of Night, Drohn and Porygon-X Failure (One person failed) -- Porygon's mission
• PMJ, WanderingWolf, Kecleon-X, TheGuy, Keeper of Night and rev3rsor Failure (DSI) -- rev3rsor's mission
• MOST RECENT: Machamp the Champion, PMJ, Drohn, Keeper of Night and Kecleon-X/TheGuy -- don't know if it has changed, but if it has, then I am no longer on this mission.

Notes

• PMJ's been on every mission.
• Keeper of Night has been on every mission.
• Drohn -- been on all but one, and is proposed to be in this one.
• Porygon-X joined in on the mission just as it failed, but that might just be a coincidence. He played the mission as he should have -- himself plus the other people from the first mission that succeeded.
• Drohn would rather use our logic than his own, shown right after KoN's mission was downvoted.
• No one has questioned PMJ.
• Porygon has been a staunch proponent of my exclusion ever since I questioned him, A.K.A. OMGUS.
• Drohn has been... Lacking in his posts as of late -- most of them are just jokes.
• Drohn, after I have expressed my doubt in his townhood, expressed doubt in mine, i.e. OMGUS.
• WanderingWolf joked about throwing the fail for the town, even earning himself three likes in the process.
• I'm Merlin
• Machamp defended Porygon's use of obvious logic
• Drohn "defended" Porygon indirectly by calling me a Spy
• PMJ threw Keeper, GM Draclord, rev3rsor and Machamp under the bus.
• Machamp wants to put in three out of the four people on the mission that failed in a mission that will pretty much decide the game. Srs?

Strategy:

Make Deck Garage joke. Take six prizes and win.

*ahem*

With this said, I will vote no to this mission.

 

[PMJ]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

stuff

I don't have the patience to quote every single aspect of your post I'm going to refute, so I'll just start from the beginning and work my way down.

First, you claim that you are town because you are scumhunting, but have I not done the same thing? I've made several posts detailing who I think the spies are and why, so if you are using scumhunting as logic, shouldn't you think I was town? Or, at the very least, have some sort of other evidence besides "I'm town because I know I am, I swear"?

Also you are right that no one has questioned me, and given the nature of this game you are completely correct in bringing it to light. In fact, not only have I gone on all the approved endeavors, I've been a member of every rejected party except Keeper's.

I didn't bring up the quotes you mentioned because I forgot about them. It didn't even cross my mind that I was supposed to, so I'm not sure what you're getting at there.

You suggest Keeper might be being framed but still say he's high risk, so it's not like you think he's innocent either.

I believe Porygon-X is town. The thing you are accusing me of doing to Keeper is precisely the thing I believe he's done to Porygon-X. What is especially damning is Keeper suggesting Porygon's party. Keeper knows who the spies are and, knowing that Porygon's mission will fail, is free to fail it and blame the new guy.

Not gonna elaborate on rev3rsor because we both think he is scum.

I liked WW's post because it was so incredibly ballsy that I couldn't help but like it. It's a bold move to do as a spy and a dick move to do as town. You don't say that kind of stuff and expect people to trust you after that. You can't just say "lol jk" and then expect us to go "oh ok" and everything is fine. He is confirmed scum as far as I'm concerned, and if that costs us the game, well, don't make absurdly dumb plays like that next time.

I can get behind your Drohn logic, but Keeper has been acting too scummy for me to ignore him. He's left more than one hint for the scum in his posts, not to mention has not defended himself at all against my accusations, even as far as fifty posts ahead of my original post where I called him out.

The only reason I think Drac is town right now is because of WW opening his mouth. I agree with what you said about him, though.

Machamp is le uber scumzorz.

And as for you, I'm getting a neutral-y town vibe. I don't think you'd be my second pick for a mission, but you'd fit in the "less scummy than blank" category. Maybe.

 

[Porygon-X]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

People:

• PMJ: High Risk, most likely Spy. No one has really questioned PMJ's authenticity up until this point, which I find odd. That either usually means that the three team-mates of his back him up, and everyone joins in like a bandwagon. They put a cap on all suspicion because people don't want to seem scummy, attacking someone who "everyone" thinks is town. He's been on every mission, ergo he's been on two failed missions in a row! The first one almost always succeeds, no matter how many Spies are on it, so it doesn't really even count. If you want a commonality, I'd start with looking at him. Also, this:

  I don't want to say why. I've already said too much (and I don't mean in my last post, which I realize was nothing but an image conveying my vote).

  
  ... Was said right after he said this:
  
  

  I think you'd actually want to vote yes -because- there's probably a spy on it, and there's nothing you can do about it...

  
  Can't remember if he even brought that back up.
• Keeper of Night: High Risk, most likely Spy or being framed. One thing I've noticed is the fact that no one really questions PMJ on anything, whereas people have been really looking hard at Keeper. No one has really defended him that avidly from what I can tell, and that either means his team-mates have left him to die, roasting in the limelight, or that he's being framed for the fails, and tossed into the limelight as a scapegoat. Either way, we can afford to not have a town on this mission just as long as the rest of them are towns, so I'd leave Keeper out no matter what.
  
  Ok, if spies can't communicate, then it can be assumed there was only one spy on the second mission consisting of PMJ, KoN, Drohn and myself. Ergo, PMJ and KoN can't both be spies.
  
• rev3rsor: Really Scummy. He's crafted the double fail mission, and has been acting rather scummy for the better part of the game. Rev, you have both been inactive and rather lacking in your posts. Why are you town?
  
  Agree
  
• WanderingWolf: Town. I honestly think he's town. I believe he did joke when he said "throwing fail for the town" -- even earning himself three likes in the process. His posts haven't been lacking, and I honestly have a good vibe from him.
  
  Disagree. I'm pretty sure WW was signaling to his scumbuddies that he was throwing a fail
  
• Machamp the Champion: Scummy. I think he's a spy because apparently he wants this mission to fail. The mission with Pory on it failed, with he, PMJ, WW, Drohn all on the same boat until someone sank it. Machamp must really believe that Porygon is the spy, because he put in three out of the four from that mission into this one. Frankly, I don't see that as the case. Looking over his posts, he did say that he thought Porygon was a spy, but you know what, I actually disagree for the moment. I think it was PMJ and/or Keeper of Night who threw the fail. But that seems to bring me to my next point -- he's been an advocate of PMJ and Keeper from the beginning, and seeing as they've been on every mission, he's practically guilty from association.
  
  Agree
  

• I'm Merlin
  
  Oh hi Merlin, I'm the Assassin, nice to meet you!
  

Omitted things I had no comment about and replied to the things I did with bold and underlined text.

 

[Drohn]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

I currently trust PMJ and Kecleon and I'll give my thoughts about some things you said. Porygon is watching the thread, so if he ninjas, I'll reply this to him: I don't trust you anyway so I won't bother going into all the things you say. I still think you're cool since you're related to Batman.

PMJ/Drohn/Keeper of Night: Kecleon calls us high risk, but I disagree. I think with that logic there would have been a fail on mission 1 and multiple fails on the second mission. I am still almost sure Porygon failed that mission. I do trust both PMJ and KoN and I have been saying that from the start, so you are also wrong in nobody defending KoN. Although I don't agree with everyone PMJ has on his spy-list, I do not think he is a spy himself and he has been helping in trying to find out who are. I really don't know why you think I am a high risk. I don't know how to defend myself, however, I can just give you my thoughts on everyone. I made posts with my theories and tried my best to find the spies, but I could be doing the same as a spy so I know that doesn't clear me from any suspicion you might have on me. My later posts have been jokes/unelaborated, because besides the thing I said about WW I have no other clues to go for. I did in detail explain my thoughts about WW and mentioned I really don't have a clue.

Kecleon: The main reason I thought you were suspicious is because you wanted to knowingly let a team go that had spies. I later got to understand your logic in that and after your recent posts I changed my mind about you. Obviously you could still be a spy, but I don' think you are.

TheGuy: Not much to go on. I am clueless about him, could be anything. 

GM Draclord is a spy I think. I've been suspicious of him from the moment he replied to the explanation I gave to him. I feel bad using it against him, since I was trying to help him, but the way he replied kind of gave it away for me. His posts after that haven't been helpful at all either.

Machamp: Very suspicious, especially the last mission he picked. I would say he was a spy now.
Note: In Kecleon's point about PMJ he said either I or PMJ was a spy, but in his point about MTC it's either PMJ or KoN. So who is it you suspect? And how many of us do you think are spies?

rev3rsor: Spy. He chose the last mission too.

WanderingWolf: I disagree with you thinking he made a joke. If we didn't get a fail that day I would have thought the same, but with 2 people failing the mission it means there were multiple spies on board and it is a pretty smart move to make for the spies. We don't know if there were more spies on board now or not. I assume there are, because he wouldn't make the self-sacrifice if there weren't. If he really is town he really ruined the game for us and that's just stupid. Making posts just to confuse/hurt your own team is a pretty low thing to do. I don't really think WW is doing that, but rather helped his spy team mates and is now putting in a last effort of saving himself from suspicion.

Porygon: Spy. I don't know why you said I defended him. I already assumed he was a spy from the second mission onward. There was a time where I thought both Kecleon and Porygon were spies, but I only think Porygon is a spy now.

What do you mean with "Drohn would rather use our logic than his own, shown right after KoN's mission was downvoted."?

Edit: I reordered my post to go from how much I trust someone to how suspicious I find people. I mentioned the people I trust first and the later I mentioned someone the less I trust them. Porygon and WW are tied for confirmed spies in my opinion.

 

[Drohn]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Sorry for double posting. After going over my own list and applying some extremely difficult and complicated math formulas I found out I'm suspicious of 5 people and trust 4 people. There are only 4 spies and they could be anyone (including people I trust). I also reordered my previous post.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

• 
  Agree
  
• WanderingWolf: Town. I honestly think he's town. I believe he did joke when he said "throwing fail for the town" -- even earning himself three likes in the process. His posts haven't been lacking, and I honestly have a good vibe from him.
  
  Disagree. I'm pretty sure WW was signaling to his scumbuddies that he was throwing a fail
  
• Machamp the Champion: Scummy. I think he's a spy because apparently he wants this mission to fail. The mission with Pory on it failed, with he, PMJ, WW, Drohn all on the same boat until someone sank it. Machamp must really believe that Porygon is the spy, because he put in three out of the four from that mission into this one. Frankly, I don't see that as the case. Looking over his posts, he did say that he thought Porygon was a spy, but you know what, I actually disagree for the moment. I think it was PMJ and/or Keeper of Night who threw the fail. But that seems to bring me to my next point -- he's been an advocate of PMJ and Keeper from the beginning, and seeing as they've been on every mission, he's practically guilty from association.
  
  

What? Those 2 sentences directly contradict each other. That could very easily be a spy slip (since spies know who the spies are, they sort of just choose at random which logic they're pretending to believe and not believe, but sometimes they accidentally go along with something that makes absolutely no sense).

Reads on players:

Drohn: Very Resistance. His posts give this vibe that he always wants the game to continue going, usually in the direction of finding spies. I'm having a hard time wording this correctly, but I think you get the idea.

PMJ: Resistance. His posts always seem very productive and well thought out, and not just "Yeah, I guess that persons a spy. We'll see what happens." The fact that no one has questioned him is a little off putting actually, but I feel he's acted enough like Resistance for me to think he's not a Spy for people always trusting him.

Keeper of Night: Resistance, or Spy if Porygon is Resistance. I would have to guess that there was only 1 Spy on that second mission. Keeper seems to be putting himself out there a lot, which isn't really that common for spies to do. I don't really think him suggesting to Porygon who to put on the mission is all that scummy, since a lot of people seem to be doing that. I do suspect him more than PMJ and Drohn though, so that's why I say I think he'd be a Spy if something convinces me that Porygon is Resistance, which I don't think anything will.

Kelceon-X: Somewhat Resistance. He does seem very productive and logical in his thinking, but the way that he thinks that he himself is very Resistance like is a little scummy in my opinion. "I have been scumhunting, and have been helpful -- to my knowledge, at least." Doesn't that seem a little... out of place?

TheGuy: Very slight Spy. After he claimed spy, hasn't been posting that much, and when he has, it really hasn't been all that helpful information. TheGuy, who do you think are Spies?

GM Draclord: Somewhat Spy. He hasn't really said all that much, and hasn't really tried adding his input all that much. But Drac isn't always the type of person to make super long, really thought out posts, so he may end up just being Resistance. Drac, who do you think are Spies?

rev3rsor: Pretty spy. Mostly based off of the whole incident with WW and the giving a message to his other spies thing PMJ talked about. He does seem a little clueless, understandable since he hasn't play this game before, but I feel like he'd be trying to help more than he is currently if he was Resistance. He isn't contributing all that much, honestly.

WanderingWolf: Pretty Spy. I think PMJ is right that he submitted a fail, and gave a message to the rest of the spies on the mission in the process. He also seems to be overreacting a bit to people thinking he's a spy, and hasn't been saying that much in the his last several posts.

Porygon-X: Very Spy. With that recent "spy slip", and the point where I think he put Drohn, PMJ and Keeper on that second mission to try and frame them all, I'm pretty sure he's a Spy. He also really only been speaking when spoken to, which seems very Spy-like to me.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Oh, well apparently I've cost the game for everyone. Geegee.

Also, sus of Machamp, Keeper, Porygon and rev3rsor. Cannot be bothered to make a wall of text on why.

 

[GM DracLord]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

im confident KoN spy due to the fact he is on every mission. PMJ to me is 75% spy 25% resistance.. something about him.

as of this moment i'm would always say no for mission that include KoN

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Since drac and rev3 have voted, I'd like to also vote no.

 

[Porygon-X]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

What? Those 2 sentences directly contradict each other. That could very easily be a spy slip (since spies know who the spies are, they sort of just choose at random which logic they're pretending to believe and not believe, but sometimes they accidentally go along with something that makes absolutely no sense).

...huh?

Are you talking about this?

Disagree. I'm pretty sure WW was signaling to his scumbuddies that he was throwing a fail

Here I was disagreeing with Kecleon's sentiments that WW was good, and explained why in the next sentence. How the heck is that a spy-slip lol?

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: The Resistance Game 1 - Round 3

Right, not waiting anymore, can't be bothered to try and find so many scum.
YES
This game is going nowhere.