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shadoworganoid said:
I HOPE your right. Ampharos will have MUCH higher odds of success.

well the ampharos variant I tried kept needing more energy and i had 16 in the deck :p
 
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sonicyellow said:
well the ampharos variant I tried kept needing more energy and i had 16 in the deck :p

I havent had that problem so I dont know what to tell you.
 
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See, you say that Lanturn is a great tech against say Donphan. And I say no. Because Lanturn takes 3 energy, and is weak to fight. So Lanturn OHKOs Donphan, but he will EASILY be back in full swing, smashing again and again and again. Also, it doesn't help against Machamp. I say use Dewgong SV, its a MUCH better tech.
 
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Seth1789110 said:
See, you say that Lanturn is a great tech against say Donphan. And I say no. Because Lanturn takes 3 energy, and is weak to fight. So Lanturn OHKOs Donphan, but he will EASILY be back in full swing, smashing again and again and again. Also, it doesn't help against Machamp. I say use Dewgong SV, its a MUCH better tech.

OMG. Lanturn IS a good tech.

My turn, lay down a SunnyShore Stadium. Change lanturn to a water type. Use DCE for speed and strike Donphan down for KO.
Now that my turn is over, laturn returns to an electric type thus being protected by Sunnyshore.

Your turn; Hit for 60 or 80.
Ha ha, not enough.

So UNLESS you get a BTS or somthing to rid me of my Stadium, you wont be OHKOing my Lanturn.
 
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shadoworganoid said:
OMG. Lanturn IS a good tech.

My turn, lay down a SunnyShore Stadium. Change lanturn to a water type. Use DCE for speed and strike Donphan down for KO.
Now that my turn is over, laturn returns to an electric type thus being protected by Sunnyshore.

Your turn; Hit for 60 or 80.
Ha ha, not enough.

So UNLESS you get a BTS or somthing to rid me of my Stadium, you wont be OHKOing my Lanturn.

True true... But if your power gets turned off somehow, it isn't going to be that easy. Oh wait, Amphy turns off both sides, right...? Comes down to, when the damage to Laturn is done...

Ok so, the Donphan thing looks like it reached a horrible end... Nevertheless, dont count it out. Stranger things have happened.

I'd like some opinions... How do you guys feel about Blaztran? Both heatran and Blaziken X together in the same deck. What would be the pros and cons in your eyes?
 
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Eevee Freak said:
True true... But if your power gets turned off somehow, it isn't going to be that easy. Oh wait, Amphy turns off both sides, right...? Comes down to, when the damage to Laturn is done...

Ok so, the Donphan thing looks like it reached a horrible end... Nevertheless, don't count it out. Stranger things have happened.

I'd like some opinions... How do you guys feel about Blaztran? Both heatran and Blaziken X together in the same deck. What would be the pros and cons in your eyes?
With Gyarados in the meta, you might have a hard time. Being able to hit 90+ damage by T3 is something BlazeTran just can't handle, and not to mention Gyarados also has methods to increase the amount of damage Gyarados does. Plus, BlazeTrain is moderately slow. You'll have to setup a Heatran Lv.X and Blaziken. Perhaps using Ninetales and maybe Typlosion Prime? Just something that randomly popped up in my head.
 
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^^Not to mention...

Heatran's 4 retreat cost. You put an unown G on that thing, and Flygon OHKOs it. Put a bench shield, Flygon drags you up and decks you like never before. Lady Gaga w/ Blaze or Lux can do the same thing, if they bring up Heatran, then they can proceed to freely snipe the bench with ease. Kingdra will win the same in about 5 turns being as it nearly OHKOs everything you send at it, and that +20 snipe can go right to heatran. Blaztran is now and forever was, a crappy deck.
 
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My Take on Revived Legends:

Vileplume at last makes his fabled return. His Poke-Body is like Spiritomb on steroids. It does cost an extra Rare Candy, but surely some combo with him on the bench can develop? Keep your eyes on this one.

Vespiquen boasts itself as the bench shield for Grass types, but the effect is so generic I'm almost liking that new 90 damage for 1 Combee more...

The new Kingdra seems decent, sniping off weakened targets from LA Kingdra's second attack. It also returns Energy to your hand, which is seemingly full of synergy.

Prime Kingdra is much more interesting, with a free Crobat G every turn. The attack is also decent, but it's the first water type that actually folds to Fire.

Prime Lanturn is practically joke material. Decent attack that gets a boost from DCE, however the type-change is way more broken than that attack will ever be, and is probably Prime Lanturn's best feature.

I love the new Rotom. Although a use for the Power has yet to have been seen, it still remains one of the most creative I've seen yet. Plasma Arrow is also great in an Energy-heavy set.

Muk has a lot going for it: bench control and 80 damage for two with DCE is probably one of the most playable Muk we've seen in a few years. With a Memory Berry, you can drag up Claydol, poison it, and then keep it from retreating. Unfortunately, Flygon already does that (minus poison) with so much more, so until it is rotated out, Muk remains underclassed.

Prime Tyranitar isn't bad at all. 20 spread to everything, an attack to get by resistance, and three Energy for 120 (with DCE), and the only cost being three cards from the top of your deck. 160 HP is also great. It can tank, it can sweep, it can spread: there will definitely be some use of Tyranitar in this format, if only for how beast its artwork is.

Skarmory is making Steel decks come back. If the translation stays the same, we can fetch Special Metals with this. Skarmory + Prime Steelix + Four Special Metals + Expert Belt is an incredibly broken combo.

Mawile is also a seemingly good starter, allowing you to mill somewhat through your deck.

Dodrio is an interesting tech for a lot of decks, taking away Flytrap's advantage of bench control.

Togekiss is an interesting tech. A 1-0-1 line in any DCE playing deck may prove decent. If you're starting to hurt, rotate the damage around by retreating. Then, when you're about to lose something, send up Togekiss and remove everything.

Each of the new Legends is broken in there own way. Entei/Raikou comes out like an Infernape without the bigger costs of its attack, spreading 90s to the active. Great opening blitz there. Then we have the second attack, which obliterates Claydols. Definitely a new archetype out there.

Suicune and Entei has little more potential than using it with the new Feraligatr Prime, but the ability to 100 to anything in play each turn puts Entei/Raikou to shame.

Raikou/Suicune at first looks like it was meant for synergy. But on second examination, it can also be a tank. With an Expert Belt attached, it's a 180 HP beast that does 70 damage and removes 50. The best tank in format, obviously.

Energy Exchange Unit will prove interesting if it lets you get Special Energy, such as the amazing DCE. Otherwise, it's even worse than Energy Search.

Legend Box gives Legends even more playability than they do already. Legends will definitely see play now.
 
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I'd love to see a Scizor Prime/Skarmory deck. Skarmory can attach a whole bunch of Metal Energy on to Scizor increasing his damage, while SME would protect Scizor from damage. Sounds solid, and already Scizor can protect itself from Special Energy users, thus hurting DCE/Call users.
 
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The thread disappeared again for me.

By the way what deck do you think is better Shuppet Donk or Flyclops? I just need a good choice, maybe for states.
 
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I'd go with Flyclops, only because Shuppet scoops to Dialga G. Flyclops is even faster now with DCE supporting Flygon, and overall is just more solid than Shuppet.
 
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I need help fitting DCE into the deck because right now everything is tight on the energy line.

P.S. Love the Typhlosion and Gliscor banner. It is perfect for the avatar I'm using right now and promotes the Storms.
 
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Shadowwiidragon said:
I need help fitting DCE into the deck because right now everything is tight on the energy line.

P.S. Love the Typhlosion and Gliscor banner. It is perfect for the avatar I'm using right now and promotes the Storms.

Do you run any Upper Energy? If you do, drop the Upper Energy for some DCE. Or PM me your list and I can help out.

@Blaine: When you made your Plox article, did the internet get laggy as you wrote more text? In my Gyarados article, after a while I've noticed that only when I'm typing the article, my computer starts to lag a bit.
 
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It does that when I am working on my article.
 
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I didn´t have any problems with the Internet, but that might have been because I moved it to Word after being unable to Save it as Draft.
 
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Gliscor: I used to run 1 Upper Energy, but I took it out for another Call Energy.
 
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Gliscor said:
With Gyarados in the meta, you might have a hard time. Being able to hit 90+ damage by T3 is something BlazeTran just can't handle, and not to mention Gyarados also has methods to increase the amount of damage Gyarados does. Plus, BlazeTrain is moderately slow. You'll have to setup a Heatran Lv.X and Blaziken. Perhaps using Ninetales and maybe Typlosion Prime? Just something that randomly popped up in my head.

Hmm I see your point on those types of match ups... It is slow, and I did lose the interest of using it... but the concept of it is what I loved... I could spam freely for 100-180, which is including the Belt, and the Blaze X's body. Oh and burn too lol. Ninetails sounds like it'll find some use, but I'd use the MT typhlosion and toss in Stark Mountian so I dont have to worry about taking the 1 damage counter from the Prime.

Seth1789110 said:
^^Not to mention...

Heatran's 4 retreat cost. You put an unown G on that thing, and Flygon OHKOs it. Put a bench shield, Flygon drags you up and decks you like never before. Lady Gaga w/ Blaze or Lux can do the same thing, if they bring up Heatran, then they can proceed to freely snipe the bench with ease. Kingdra will win the same in about 5 turns being as it nearly OHKOs everything you send at it, and that +20 snipe can go right to heatran. Blaztran is now and forever was, a crappy deck.

Yes I know Heatran can be a pain to use, but I can actually do a little bit. If Heatran was dragged out I can do something... Ok so Fire Fang isn't that much, but combined with the auto burn and Blaze X's body... It's something. And also I could also just use a warp point, warp energy, or a switch to get him out of there. Though I'd like to say thank you for your enthusiastic words at the end...

So the meta is changing, and I need to find a way to move along with it if I want to stay above water... Still, I just find that the deck I'm using has some potential.
 
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Okay here is what I think is good in the new set (in japan)

If I do not say anything about it that means it is not good in my op

To start the Vileploom and Bellossom will be okay as a deck nothing special the old ones I think are better despite the ploom body that is good the damage is just not enough.

The evees as all have great potental but will just not make it

The kingdra will be okay but again the old one is better

The lanterns are my favorite of the set combine this with gator you got trouble

Rotom that is just a tech and fun

The wevile will be really good and might make a good deck I think that it has some potental

The hondooms are eh not so hot only the prime is good even then not that good (I am thinking a wevile tech for speed)

The big green lizard is eh again has potental just hard to find and make

The legend cards the one that I think is best is te suicune and enti and the enti and rakiuo even then I do not think that it will work out that well I mean the high hp two parts and prizes are hard to get out almost

Monks training is awsome really good

Scizor prime is not so good but a fun league deck

Legend box makes the legends runable

And for me that is it.

T

Edit
I found another SV set (suckesh)
 
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shadoworganoid said:
I HOPE your right. Ampharos will have MUCH higher odds of success.
Lol Ampharos... no comment.

Has anyone given thought to Hamachi tournaments within the team?
 
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Celebi23 said:
Lol Ampharos... no comment.

Has anyone given thought to Hamachi tournaments within the team?
I've actually given thought to that... and I might actually do it. I, unfortunately, can't do it since Hamachi won't download for me (can you give me a link Celebi)?

If anyone thinks we should have a Hamachi tournament, then do speak up!
 
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