OU: Strategy The X and Y Metagame Discussion Thread

[Sheriff_K]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

Alright, not sure if anyone has seen this. But in this video, http://youtu.be/9VwRTKOOPj0?t=6m8s, the Hlioptile is brought down to 3HP, then hit with another Sand tomb is brought to 1HP. The Helioptile turns to the trainer and the text reads "Helioptile brings out the best of itself to show Yvonne what it can do!" Point being, it got a free Focus Band. Simply because the Pokemon "loved" the trainer. . . This makes me wonder, IF the Pokemon Amie Effects wifi battles, Sturdy will have no purpose, and neither will focus sash. Unless perhaps certain pokemon get certain perks. . .

what do you all think?

I consider Amie synonymous with "Happiness." But yeah, it seems kind of less "Competitive", if there are random added effects depending on your Pokemons happiness.. But if we're being technical, it's no different than a Critical. <_<

Besides, Happiness affects Mega Evolving. From what I understand, a Pokemon has a higher chance to Mega Evolve at the start of a turn, based on their Happiness...

 

[.maiden]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

I think Mega Charizard will have a significantly negative impact on the metagame by furthering the drastic imbalance towards hyper offense by greatly strengthening the sun offense playstyle.

 

[Zielo]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

I don't know if this has been mentioned here already, but I'm predicting that Mega will get its own tier right between OU and Uber.

 

[Dork Void]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

That's not going to happen. Mega Pokemon are the exact same Pokemon out of battle (and even for part of it, it seems) so you can't treat them like an alternate form. In addition, the power levels of Pokemon with Megavolutions will vary greatly and lumping them all into one tier is silly. No, Pokemon with Megavolutions will simply rise higher on the tier lists (some might even go to Ubers), unless of course their Megavolutions don't bring enough advantages to be worth losing a held item.

 

[iSharingan]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

That's not going to happen. Mega Pokemon are the exact same Pokemon out of battle (and even for part of it, it seems) so you can't treat them like an alternate form. In addition, the power levels of Pokemon with Megavolutions will vary greatly and lumping them all into one tier is silly. No, Pokemon with Megavolutions will simply rise higher on the tier lists (some might even go to Ubers), unless of course their Megavolutions don't bring enough advantages to be worth losing a held item.

Well, there's always the possibility Mega stones would go on the banlist in certain tiers. Kinda like Soul Dew was in OU. Furthermore, since each has it's own name and item ID, it could be banned only on some pokemon in a tier but not others (like if Mega Ampharos was broken in, say, UU but Mega Absol wasn't, or vice versa)

 

[Dork Void]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

If Speed Boost on Blaziken counts as a complex ban, then Mega Stone on Ampharos (or whoever) counts as a complex ban. Smogon doesn't have many principles (two in fact-not doing complex bans and not banning Drizzle), but they stick to them.

 

[Zielo]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

That is true. I didn't really think about that. Well, good thing I wasnt too attached to that idea.

I can see some of the stones being illegal at least, maybe.

 

[zappy800]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

I think Mega Charizard will have a significantly negative impact on the metagame by furthering the drastic imbalance towards hyper offense by greatly strengthening the sun offense playstyle.

Negative as a whole yes. Positive for charizard as the kool aid man says oooooooooooh yeaaaah.

 

[Sheriff_K]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

I think Mega Charizard will have a significantly negative impact on the metagame by furthering the drastic imbalance towards hyper offense by greatly strengthening the sun offense playstyle.

Sun sucks. Mega Charizard still dies to Stealth Rock. He'll no longer be useless, but he won't be the best. You'll probably see him on some OU teams specifically made around him, but nothing more.

 

[zappy800]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

I think Mega Charizard will have a significantly negative impact on the metagame by furthering the drastic imbalance towards hyper offense by greatly strengthening the sun offense playstyle.

Sun sucks. Mega Charizard still dies to Stealth Rock. He'll no longer be useless, but he won't be the best. You'll probably see him on some OU teams specifically made around him, but nothing more.

I will be honest Charizard with dragon typing would die from SR anyways. Plus Fairies.

 

[Dork Void]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

Hahahaha? Right, because 25% damage from switching in is the exact same as 50% damage from switching in, and obviously doesn't help at all. I don't get all the hype of "dragon typing sucks now because its weak to fairy!!!111oneoneone", we don't even know of any good Fairy type Pokemon/attacks and most types have 3+ weaknesses anyway, that doesn't mean they're bad.

 

[MuhFugginMoose]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

Sun sucks. Mega Charizard still dies to Stealth Rock. He'll no longer be useless, but he won't be the best. You'll probably see him on some OU teams specifically made around him, but nothing more.

I will be honest Charizard with dragon typing would die from SR anyways. Plus Fairies.

Well, no. First off, if it had Fire/Dragon, I can switch it in twice as many times as I could otherwise. . .
Plus, Fire resists fairies. . .

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I don't know if this has been mentioned here already, but I'm predicting that Mega will get its own tier right between OU and Uber.

Also, to this, they're not going to create an entire tier around one Mega Pokemon if you can only have one in your team at any given moment.

 

[Ohman177]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

I will be honest Charizard with dragon typing would die from SR anyways. Plus Fairies.

Well, no. First off, if it had Fire/Dragon, I can switch it in twice as many times as I could otherwise. . .
Plus, Fire resists fairies. . .

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I don't know if this has been mentioned here already, but I'm predicting that Mega will get its own tier right between OU and Uber.

Also, to this, they're not going to create an entire tier around one Mega Pokemon if you can only have one in your team at any given moment.

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Was only having one confirmed or is that a rumor?

 

[PG24]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

It doesn't matter if it's Fire/Dragon or not. Charizard is Fire/Flying when it switches in. Even if you can keep the mega evolution after switching, it won't matter that you live the next hit from SR since normal Charizard can do the same with 1% HP left.

Oh boy, that 24% extra health Fire/Dragon gets sure sounds awesome! I bet you live so many attacks with that much health. [/sarc]

Why is nobody talking about Mega Venusaur? Higher defenses and Thick Fat makes Venusaur a somewhat decent defensive threat. It might be fun to try even though Chlyrophyll is x10 better.

 

[MuhFugginMoose]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

It doesn't matter if it's Fire/Dragon or not. Charizard is Fire/Flying when it switches in. Even if you can keep the mega evolution after switching, it won't matter that you live the next hit from SR since normal Charizard can do the same with 1% HP left.

Oh boy, that 24% extra health Fire/Dragon gets sure sounds awesome! I bet you live so many attacks with that much health. [/sarc]

Why is nobody talking about Mega Venusaur? Higher defenses and Thick Fat makes Venusaur a somewhat decent defensive threat. It might be fun to try even though Chlyrophyll is x10 better.

Heh, well I don't think anyone was really saying he'd be better off if he was. It's just to say there's no difference between the two is wrong.
Charizard is meant to be fast and hit hard. Not take hits anyways. If he was able to come in and attack and switch on a prediction more than twice, it would be far more helpful than doing it once and dying the next time it comes in.

And I don't think "Decent" would be a good way to describe how darn bulky Venusaur is gong to be after it MEs. xD

 

[Dork Void]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

Why is nobody talking about Mega Venusaur? Higher defenses and Thick Fat makes Venusaur a somewhat decent defensive threat. It might be fun to try even though Chlyrophyll is x10 better.

You answered your own question. Bulky Venusaur is by no means bad but its probably not going to ever be as good as Chlorophyll, whereas a Charizard with Drought would be way better.

 

[iSharingan]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

Why is nobody talking about Mega Venusaur? Higher defenses and Thick Fat makes Venusaur a somewhat decent defensive threat. It might be fun to try even though Chlyrophyll is x10 better.

You answered your own question. Bulky Venusaur is by no means bad but its probably not going to ever be as good as Chlorophyll, whereas a Charizard with Drought would be way better.

There always seems to be one, if any, of any trio of starters that gets a good ability/set and the rest are just average or below. For Gen 6, we may be seeing OU Sun teams with Magazard + Chlorosaur (assuming Megazard makes OU or lower, which it may not since it'll probably be a lead and thus not as weak to SR, as previously mentioned)

 

[MuhFugginMoose]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

Well, it looked to do about 55-ish%
With that,
Her Hp is either 95 or 110.
Even if her Sp Def was 130 and HP 110, a crit HyPu in the rain would do 97.23 - 115.2%.

Unless she resists it, which it doesn't seem as though she does, that either couldn't have been a crit, OR, it wasn't Hydro Pump.
Also, if you watch, the second Hydro Pump seems to do the same amount of damage. . .

Haha, either way she's gotta be bulky, but there's something wrong there.

OR. . . Ready to blow your minds?
What if, (I'm not much for throwing BS ideas out there), she has Multiscale as a DW ability or something. . . And that's why the second hit looked to do about as much as the first.
With multiscale; Crit Hydro Pump in rain: 48.38 - 57.6%, then without Multiscale or the crit, Hydro Pump in rain: 48.38 - 57.6%. . .
Or, if her HP is Bs 95 With multiscale; Crit Hydro Pump : 50.5 - 59.39%, then without Multiscale or the crit, Hydro Pump in rain: 50.5 - 59.39%
But, that's all dependent on where these Demo Pokemons EVs stood. Seeing as Politoeds HP was 197, I'm leaning towards her Bs HP sitting at 95.

I just want to point out this picture. . .

The bottom left being the highest is Sp Def. Followed by Sp Atk top left, then HP, clearly marked. . .
I don't want to toot my own horn but. . .
I called it. xD

 

[zappy800]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

Ok to those you thought I was saying there is no difference between dragon and flying for mega charizard i wasn't. It's just he would die before you could mega evolve him unless he is the first you send out.

 

[Ohman177]

RE: The X and Y Metagame Speculation Thread

Mega Charizard is obviously going to be a lead on every team he is used on. MOST WEATHER INDUCERS ARE. So let's use hippowdon again ok?
1. Start of battle. Both come out. Hippowdon starts up a sandstorm.
2. First turn. Charizard mega evolves, induces sun, and uses solar beam right away on Hippowdon. OHKO. Same for politoad if my math is correct. Plus anything with snow warning never had a chance.
3. He switches out right away and goes into hiding until you need him. If someone changes the weather, you bring out a spinner if there's any SR and then send out charizard again to induce sun and then retreat.