Tier List (Update: 12/9)

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Ty W said:
If that's supposed to be a quote from me, it's not... Reshiplosion hasn't done anything significant at any tournament, so I'm not sure how you can say that it is tier 1. It has poor matchups against all of the decks that I put in my tier 1.
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It can be easy to misplay it, and the quote was from the link about guy scoring 9-0 with TyphloRam at nats but then misplaying hugely at first top cut match. It has good match up against those seriously. If you don't read that link fully then stop disagreeing. :p I've myself noticed that it sets up really fast even it's stage 2 deck (T2-T3 mostly for me) and consistently hitting big 120 hits. If you want me to demonstrate what are the many ways to misplay. PM me.
 
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Ty W said:
Have you truly tested those matchups at a high level?
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Yes i have indeed. TyphloRam's play depends more on how you play/build it rather than luck. Since misplaying Afterburner can cost alot as an example.
 
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If you're going to worlds, I'd be perfectly happy to show you the matchup there if you want.
 
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Ty W said:
If you're going to worlds, I'd be perfectly happy to show you the matchup there if you want.
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Sorry to tell you, i'm not going to worlds. too expensive to fly there from finland and no invitation anyway.
 
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I wonder how a deck that had at least twelve of the Top 128 in US Nationals (TyRam) not be a Tier 1.

Here's a list if you don't believe me. People have slept on TyRam for too long. It is a contender and has less problems than Emboar, the only advantage Emboar clearly has is being able to use and abuse RDL.

http://xtreme.net46.net/tc2011.html
 
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This is true, but there were 59 yanmega variants in top 128. As for top four, there were 0 reshiplosion and 4 yanmega variants.
 
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Ty W said:
This is true, but there were 59 yanmega variants in top 128. As for top four, there were 0 reshiplosion and 4 yanmega variants.
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TyphloRam is pretty underestimated deck, even you underestimate it. There was one decent reshiplosion player in there but made huge misplay in top 128 match that caused him a loss.
 
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The concept of it is good, I agree, but I do not feel that it is as good as other decks. For one, your entire draw relies on a 90hp pokemon, which is not hard to knock out. 2. You have to play a lot of pokemon/energy/trainers to get the energies so you don't have that much room for draw. 3. It is extremely flip reliant because the only way that you can hit the bench is with a reversal. 4. You don't have a very good late game so you need a very good hand to even be in the game. 5. If a good yanmega variant goes first against you, they're gonna most likely knock out whichever you have one of, cindaquills (I don't know how to spell it) or vulpixes. After that, you're setup is crippled, and they can knock out all of your drops of whatever they knocked out turn two for the rest of the game without a problem.

This is why I feel that reshiplosion is just tier 2, not tier 1.
 
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Ty W said:
The concept of it is good, I agree, but I do not feel that it is as good as other decks. For one, your entire draw relies on a 90hp pokemon, which is not hard to knock out. 2. You have to play a lot of pokemon/energy/trainers to get the energies so you don't have that much room for draw. 3. It is extremely flip reliant because the only way that you can hit the bench is with a reversal. 4. You don't have a very good late game so you need a very good hand to even be in the game. 5. If a good yanmega variant goes first against you, they're gonna most likely knock out whichever you have one of, cindaquills (I don't know how to spell it) or vulpixes. After that, you're setup is crippled, and they can knock out all of your drops of whatever they knocked out turn two for the rest of the game without a problem.
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Any wise typhloram player would have more than just one cyndaquill in play by T2 with reversal/catcher in format. Also Catcher coming soon to format. Gameplay is not disturbed alot by losing a ninetales. Late game might not be good if opponent has bulky things that are slow to setup but otherwise it is good. It's not hard to get all the pokes and stuff required to hand when the deck's built correctly.
 
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Like I said before, if you have two cyndaquills, then they're gonna go for the one vulpix. If you don't have a steady draw, then you don't have anything.
 
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Ty W said:
Like I said before, if you have two cyndaquills, then they're gonna go for the one vulpix. If you don't have a steady draw, then you don't have anything.
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Actually.... It doesn't hurt enough. It has plenty of draw engine without (Well atleast my list.).
 
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Ty W said:
Your list seems to play 80 cards...
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Actually 60... I alrdy said that TyphloRam's play depends on that how it's built and played.
 
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But you're acting like you have all of the many things in your list including ninetales, and you also have a large back-up supporter line that can you support you the entire game.
 
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Ty W said:
But you're acting like you have all of the many things in your list including ninetales, and you also have a large back-up supporter line that can you support you the entire game.
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Exactly, it's not hard to find my list from my profile anyways. Still that makes it 60, correctly built deck is correctly built. :p
 
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Well this is a flippy format so getting Top 4 won't matter too much on a deck's performance.

The amount of players using Yanmega over the amount that reached top cut should also be accounted for.

I assume that there were a bajillion of you US players using Yanmega variants during Nationals therefore a ton would really top cut while I believe there would be a lesser amount of TyRam players due to it's underrated status. TyRam is Tier 1 for sure and it can hold its own against Yanmega Variants. The only variant that it could have trouble with is the Stage 1 Toolbox where it is really fast.
 
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Riskbreakers said:
Well this is a flippy format so getting Top 4 won't matter too much on a deck's performance.

The amount of players using Yanmega over the amount that reached top cut should also be accounted for.

I assume that there were a bajillion of you US players using Yanmega variants during Nationals therefore a ton would really top cut while I believe there would be a lesser amount of TyRam players due to it's underrated status. TyRam is Tier 1 for sure and it can hold its own against Yanmega Variants. The only variant that it could have trouble with is the Stage 1 Toolbox where it is really fast.
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Riskbreakers said:
lesser amount of TyRam players due to it's underrated status.
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Riskbreakers said:
lesser amount of TyRam players.
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Riskbreakers said:
lesser amount
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I've been trying to go over this, tiers are based on usage not how good the deck is. There could be an unforseen deck that's AMAZING in the metgame, but no one knows about it so it wouldn't be in the tier list, which automatically makes the tier list WRONG. So why would we go about something that's very opinionated and flexible instead of something that's rock hard and based on facts? TyRam is a great deck, and deserves a high spot, but doesn't deserve the tier 1 spot because of usage. And it's already tier one. Look at White Out more carefully.
 
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I think that DonChamp could be changed to Donphan Variants, because DonChamp sorta failed at Nats, while Donphan with various techs, such as Noctowl, Zoroark, and Reshiram/Zekrom seemed to perform well.
 
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Vulpix Yolk said:
I think that DonChamp could be changed to Donphan Variants, because DonChamp sorta failed at Nats, while Donphan with various techs, such as Noctowl, Zoroark, and Reshiram/Zekrom seemed to perform well.
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Or just had bad luck or the deck was badly built. There can be many reasons why deck didn't do well.
 
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