Finished Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Members win!

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

I'm not taking credit for RVS, nor would I want to, since I think it's absolutely crazy. But nobody took your vote against Drohn seriously but Drohn himself. I pointed out his reaction and questioned it, that I will "take credit for."

What does the bolded part mean. If anyone with a targeting role targeted KoN N0 please tell us.

My effect's wording says I may be given names of who targeted me at night. I'm going to assume that there is either a chance involved or I only recognize certain roles or something similar.

I doubt you were the only one who noticed his reaction. I really don't believe that you had as big of a part in getting Drohn lynched as you say you do. Can you just c/p your role here?

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

##UNVERB: JEREMY1026
##VERB: COBALT PHOENIX

Who do you think we should lynch today KoN? If it's not you that is.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

My effect's wording says I may be given names of who targeted me at night. I'm going to assume that there is either a chance involved or I only recognize certain roles or something similar.

Oh. Well that definitely changes things. I suppose that in fear of your ability being a bit broken PMJ might have made it so that you only see how many people targeted you - not a single person. Otherwise it could be like "Camoclone targeted you last night. <insert the flavour of <insert his ability here> here>".

It's either that or you might have to send PMJ basically "I want to use my role tonight". Does it say anything about limited uses?

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Sorry, but you are tunneling Keeper hard today.
Not at all... I've attacked 3 people in total today. I don't even have my vote on KoN. Remember my vote is really what matters.

You want him lynched and you're not taking any evidence which could possibly disprove the SK claim.
Who said that? I'm trying to gather as much evidence as possible.

I understand that you believe Drohn was telling the truth, but you have to consider all of the basis before you begin to tunnel.
Which is why I'm pressuring. To gather evidence.

This isn't to say that I necessarily believe Keeper, I'm just not quick to bandwagon or trust someone. I stay suspicious of everyone though - or I try to, anyway.
I'm not bandwagoning him. I also stay suspicious of everyone.

My problem is that if your post has any substance, today, anyway, it is about Keeper 95% of the time.
Probably more like 45%. Your posts haven't have much substance either.

I understand that this is how you always play, but I want you to fan out a little bit, that's all.
I have fanned out. I'm not tunneling at this point in time.

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[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Also sorry Camoclone, people have different meanings of "tunneling" on different sites. Generally if someone posts a huge tl;dr as well as multiple other well-sized posts directed at a single user in a small timeframe it's called tunneling, and where your vote is really means yada.

(sorry for double post)

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Also sorry Camoclone, people have different meanings of "tunneling" on different sites. Generally if someone posts a huge tl;dr as well as multiple other well-sized posts directed at a single user in a small timeframe it's called tunneling, and where your vote is really means yada.

(sorry for double post)

I've attacked many other people other than KoN today. Tunneling means: Attacking only one player and not thinking about anyone else. Nothing more nothing less. I posted an ISO to see how KoN responded. That is not tunneling at all. Why are you ignoring the fact that I've attacked others today? That seems weird to me.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

I'm not taking credit for RVS, nor would I want to, since I think it's absolutely crazy. But nobody took your vote against Drohn seriously but Drohn himself. I pointed out his reaction and questioned it, that I will "take credit for."

My effect's wording says I may be given names of who targeted me at night. I'm going to assume that there is either a chance involved or I only recognize certain roles or something similar.

I doubt you were the only one who noticed his reaction. I really don't believe that you had as big of a part in getting Drohn lynched as you say you do. Can you just c/p your role here?

That's not what I mean, but we're past that.
You're the only one asking for my reveal, and there isn't any reason for it yet. Besides, if you don't believe me, why would you believe my claim? We know there are fake claims.
For the record:

Full disclosure: All players appear town when investigated; you'll have to do more than look their roles up to find the scum.

Does this confirm safe-claims then? I actually haven't played that many games where safe-claims are in play.

Yes.

PMJ did mention safe-claims before I did.

I don't have a lynch candidate yet, or at least, no new ones. I already pointed my finger at CP, but I may have missed his response.

@Celever, I however do know the identities of the people who targeted me last night. I do not have to PM PMJ to use it, I bet if I did it would have been blocked. I do not believe there are limited uses.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

I doubt you were the only one who noticed his reaction. I really don't believe that you had as big of a part in getting Drohn lynched as you say you do. Can you just c/p your role here?

That's not what I mean, but we're past that.
You're the only one asking for my reveal, and there isn't any reason for it yet. Besides, if you don't believe me, why would you believe my claim? We know there are fake claims.
You already claimed so why not? And you also keep on adding things to your role. I may or may not believe you I'm not going to tell you yet.

For the record:

Full disclosure: All players appear town when investigated; you'll have to do more than look their roles up to find the scum.

Does this confirm safe-claims then? I actually haven't played that many games where safe-claims are in play.

Yes.

PMJ did mention safe-claims before I did.
Are you talking about 2624831? Give me the PID to prevent confusion .

I don't have a lynch candidate yet, or at least, no new ones. I already pointed my finger at CP, but I may have missed his response.
I would be happy with CP.

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[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Sorry, but you are tunneling Keeper hard today.
Not at all... I've attacked 3 people in total today. I don't even have my vote on KoN. Remember my vote is really what matters.
I would have to disagree. Reads and actions are what really matter in werewolf. That's why I like FoS

You want him lynched and you're not taking any evidence which could possibly disprove the SK claim.
Who said that? I'm trying to gather as much evidence as possible.
The way that you phrased some stuff looked like you were far too aggro. towards KoN and wouldn't look at all of the basis, that's all.

I understand that you believe Drohn was telling the truth, but you have to consider all of the basis before you begin to tunnel.
Which is why I'm pressuring. To gather evidence.
Yeah, you are pressuring lots of people, but nobody as hard as Keeper, which you admit below.

This isn't to say that I necessarily believe Keeper, I'm just not quick to bandwagon or trust someone. I stay suspicious of everyone though - or I try to, anyway.
I'm not bandwagoning him. I also stay suspicious of everyone.
Didn't say you were bandwagoning, that was a bit of a disclaimer for myself. Actually the whole statement was. Note: "I".

My problem is that if your post has any substance, today, anyway, it is about Keeper 95% of the time.
Probably more like 45%. Your posts haven't have much substance either.
One post was an excuse, I admit, because I typed it late at night and was on my iPad. The rest have substance.

I understand that this is how you always play, but I want you to fan out a little bit, that's all.
I have fanned out. I'm not tunneling at this point in time.
You're tunneling by my standards though. You're the aggressor in this which makes you the tunneler, just in case you were going to bring it up. There are situations where the "victim" is also tunneling, but this isn't one of them.

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In the very same post which you quoted I said "tunneling different meanings on different sites" so I don't know why you decided to give me your definition. No clue what an ISO is. "many other" = 2? I think you mean "I've attack a couple other people", because that both stresses the point and is true!

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Sorry, but you are tunneling Keeper hard today.
Not at all... I've attacked 3 people in total today. I don't even have my vote on KoN. Remember my vote is really what matters.
I would have to disagree. Reads and actions are what really matter in werewolf. That's why I like FoS

• As a townie and a claimed reporter my power lies in my vote.

You want him lynched and you're not taking any evidence which could possibly disprove the SK claim.
Who said that? I'm trying to gather as much evidence as possible.
The way that you phrased some stuff looked like you were far too aggro. towards KoN and wouldn't look at all of the basis, that's all.

• Looking aggro is good when applying extreme pressure.

I understand that you believe Drohn was telling the truth, but you have to consider all of the basis before you begin to tunnel.
Which is why I'm pressuring. To gather evidence.
Yeah, you are pressuring lots of people, but nobody as hard as Keeper, which you admit below.

• Is pressure bad though? Is it really something only scum would do?

This isn't to say that I necessarily believe Keeper, I'm just not quick to bandwagon or trust someone. I stay suspicious of everyone though - or I try to, anyway.
I'm not bandwagoning him. I also stay suspicious of everyone.
Didn't say you were bandwagoning, that was a bit of a disclaimer for myself. Actually the whole statement was. Note: "I".

• OK...

My problem is that if your post has any substance, today, anyway, it is about Keeper 95% of the time.
Probably more like 45%. Your posts haven't have much substance either.
One post was an excuse, I admit, because I typed it late at night and was on my iPad. The rest have substance.

• If you say so...

I understand that this is how you always play, but I want you to fan out a little bit, that's all.
I have fanned out. I'm not tunneling at this point in time.
You're tunneling by my standards though. You're the aggressor in this which makes you the tunneler, just in case you were going to bring it up. There are situations where the "victim" is also tunneling, but this isn't one of them.

• Is being aggressive bad though? Why can't a townie be aggressive?

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In the very same post which you quoted I said "tunneling different meanings on different sites" so I don't know why you decided to give me your definition. No clue what an ISO is. "many other" = 2? I think you mean "I've attack a couple other people", because that both stresses the point and is true!

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[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

@Camo, I've only claimed my role name and a passive effect. That does not mean I wish to make my entire role public.

@Celever, I do not believe Camo is tunneling. He's just questioning on a larger scale, which is fine in moderation.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

As a townie and a claimed reporter my power lies in my vote.

I know that your power lies in your vote, however, simple reads would be more effective. You have power in your vote, but your opinion shifts more than your vote. That's all I'm saying, I didn't even mention power lol.

Looking aggro is good when applying extreme pressure.

Yeeeeeah I guess. I mean, that's not exactly extreme pressure. It looked to me like you were being aggro. for absolutely no reason which imo is a bit of a scum tell.

Is pressure bad though? Is it really something only scum would do?

No, pressure is fantastic. However, you are applying far more pressure to Keeper than anyone else, which you also admitted. I think you missed my point...

OK...

K!

If you say so...

So you admit to making baseless accusations? How good is your "extreme pressure" going to be with lies, then?

Is being aggressive bad though? Why can't a townie be aggressive?
Not centred on a certain player though, unless you have a good cause.

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[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

As a townie and a claimed reporter my power lies in my vote.

I know that your power lies in your vote, however, simple reads would be more effective. You have power in your vote, but your opinion shifts more than your vote. That's all I'm saying, I didn't even mention power lol.

Scum should never know exactly what I'm thinking so I don't do "simple".

Looking aggro is good when applying extreme pressure.

Yeeeeeah I guess. I mean, that's not exactly extreme pressure. It looked to me like you were being aggro. for absolutely no reason which imo is a bit of a scum tell.

It's also good for being aggro . I think I had more than enough reasons to be aggro towards KoN.

Is pressure bad though? Is it really something only scum would do?

No, pressure is fantastic. However, you are applying far more pressure to Keeper than anyone else, which you also admitted. I think you missed my point...

That's not necessarily bad... If I spread out all my pressure evenly then it wouldn't be pressure at all. If I was pressuring everyone then they would no longer feel pressure.

OK...

K!

If you say so...

So you admit to making baseless accusations? How good is your "extreme pressure" going to be with lies, then?

No I still think that a lot of your previous posts don't have much substance especially D1. There is no point in arguing about it though.

Is being aggressive bad though? Why can't a townie be aggressive?
Not centred on a certain player though, unless you have a good cause.

I had more than enough of a good cause.

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[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Actually... there's no point arguing about those futile points, and I don't see any real way to argue against that. I guess I was wrong @_@. I should focus more I guess....

Although I only had 2 posts day 1, one was an admitted excuse, the other did have substance...

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Actually... there's no point arguing about those futile points, and I don't see any real way to argue against that. I guess I was wrong @_@. I should focus more I guess....

Although I only had 2 posts day 1, one was an admitted excuse, the other did have substance...

I'll back down as well... Our argument seems silly now.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

@Camo, I've only claimed my role name and a passive effect. That does not mean I wish to make my entire role public.

@Celever, I do not believe Camo is tunneling. He's just questioning on a larger scale, which is fine in moderation.

I missed this earlier... Fair enough. Could you quote your whole passive effect though?

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

@Camo, I've only claimed my role name and a passive effect. That does not mean I wish to make my entire role public.

@Celever, I do not believe Camo is tunneling. He's just questioning on a larger scale, which is fine in moderation.

I missed this earlier... Fair enough. Could you quote your whole passive effect though?

Yeah, that I could do:

Passive Effect: HINTZ
You may be alerted when other players target you at night.

So for all I know, there could have been more than two players on me last night, as that would definitely increase the chances of me knowing two of them.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

I can't remember if it was you who already claimed Eron, but I seem to remember someone did. Anyway that is obvo Eron. I have to say, another theory I had was maybe you get results on odd nights and not even. Idkthiugh...

 

[TheGuy]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

I'm just not believing Keeper's story. It seems both made up and weak.

##SerialKiller: Keeper of Night

The only thing that could change my mind is if someone claims role blocker and they role blocked Keeper.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

I can't remember if it was you who already claimed Eron, but I seem to remember someone did. Anyway that is obvo Eron. I have to say, another theory I had was maybe you get results on odd nights and not even. Idkthiugh...

I did claim Eron, in fact I think Camo quoted it as well.

I'm just not believing Keeper's story. It seems both made up and weak.

##SerialKiller: Keeper of Night

The only thing that could change my mind is if someone claims role blocker and they role blocked Keeper.

What about it seems made up to you? I've only told the truth.
Now, here's where we see differently. I know two people were on me last night, chances are one was a role-blocker. I could, in theory, point fingers at them to try and prove my story. But, whether they helped me or not, chances are at least one of them would die tonight. This is why I asked them not to claim, and will not be asking anything of the sort, even if it would help me.
I would think, if you were town, you would also want the role-blockers to remain hidden until they actually blocked a wolf or the SK.