Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

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[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Defeatist attitude = scum

Just wanted to let you know that all the Archeops in the world don't like you.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

...for the sole reason that I am strongly defending someone I seriously think is town. As grant said earlier, this is how I play. If I don't think they are scum, and there is 0 reasoning to think otherwise, I'm not going to just stand by while they get lynched. Honestly this lynch would be extremely reasonable if Luis flipped scum, but I really don't understand this lynch without even knowing what Luis is. And Luis is just voting me because he's trying to vote anyone else he can to save his ass.

Alex does can not find any reason not to think of Luis as town. If you agree even slightly with the Luis case then you see a huge problem with this. Then Alex says "this lynch would be reasonable if Luis flipped scum". Isn't that every lynch? And then he points out how Luis is just trying to save himself. Does Alex not even find this the least bit scummy?

And sure what Camo put out about me beig wolf and defending Luis because I knew he was town makes sense, but it's also just unlikely I would do that. First off, because like I said I always strongly defend people I believe are not wolf. And second off because how is anyone supposed to defend someone they think is town if it can just be turned around like this with someone saying "they just defended him because he KNEW he was town".

It's not defending that is the problem. Alex defended without a doubt. He never said "this might be a bit scummy" or "yeah that was scummy".

TL;DR my motto is: "if you're gonna commit, you gotta commit".

What?

Bolded.

Missed this post when skimming over just now, but it makes a lot of good points I'll respond to.

I haven't mentioned anyone else because I'm not suspicious of anyone else. As I've said in other games I'm not a good scumhunter. I wait till we have information, which is why I want to NL day 1. I noticed SF and MtC so I pointed them out, because I noticed that the had been completely skipped over in all the talk about Luis and Wailord.

The fact that you are still trying to no lynch once you have so much information bothers me. This has been a very productive D1.

I'm not focusing heavily on Camo.

You are right! You were not focusing heavily on me. You were focusing super heavily on me. Look back at some of his previous posts and you will see that very few of them have nothing to do with me.

All I've said (and I've only said it once or twice) on Camo is that if Luis is lynched and flips town, we should lynch Camo. A couple of reasons for this; 1) to pressure him off voting Luis,

This makes not sense considering if Luis flips town then Luis is dead. Announced pressure is dumb too. This is also the number 1 reason for him wanting my lynch.

2) because I think he has been acting pretty scummy by committing so hard to Luis with literally 0 reason to think Luis is scum, and 3) to have an excuse to policy lynch him lol.

Again he adds fluff to it. "He has been acting pretty scummy". Notice he never tells you what I've been doing that's scummy. And this reason is terrible like the first. I've flip flopped throughout the day therefore I didn't commit. 3 is a joke or terrible reason.

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Oh, here's my explanation of why I think Camo could be a wolf:

> Let's randomly tunnel a first time player who has no clue about what is going on
> Someone is defending him, let's lynch him too (Alex)
> Oh we can lynch more people on the same day? Let's lynch them all!

You wanted to lynch one of them to find out more information, yet you don't think twice about lynching both of them with no information whatsoever. You have a whole list of people who to look into and already talk about who to vote for the next day with the little information we have. You like to tunnel and evidence/other opinions seem to be your enemy.

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##UNVOTE: Luispipe8
##VOTE: Alex

I'll see you all later. This is the best lynch today imo. I might not be able to post at all form now on.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Camo that you randomly accused him to gain info was fine and helped the discussion. The fact you tried to tunnel his lynch after that and after seeing his role (that could very well be true) is only annoying and your reasoning made no sense at all. Alex and I (and others) thought so. I don't get at all why you are targeting Alex for it.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Camo that you randomly accused him to gain info was fine and helped the discussion. The fact you tried to tunnel his lynch after that and after seeing his role (that could very well be true) is only annoying and your reasoning made no sense at all. Alex and I (and others) thought so. I don't get at all why you are targeting Alex for it.

I don't get why you seem to be targeting me for my playstyle, but I'm not saying much >.>

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

The fact you're not saying much, but throw votes around like you want everyone to get lynched no matter what the reasons are makes me suspicious of you SF.

 

[Chaos Jackal]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

##Unvote: Wailord_2

##Sink: Scorched Feathers

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

The fact you're not saying much, but throw votes around like you want everyone to get lynched no matter what the reasons are makes me suspicious of you SF.

I do see the reason behind each lynch, but you should know by now I'm not typically one for long posts. It's only day one, it's good to have at least something going on.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

You want things to go on, but you don't want to contribute?

Sounds to me like you want someone to get lynched to speed things up for the wolves and you'll agree with any reason to make it happen, while saying as little as possible to avoid being suspected yourself.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

No.
I'm not good at contributing very early in the game because it's typically too early to actually have cases on people. I'm wanting something other than a No Lynch because that gives town nothing, and they have to see who's NK'd to actually have info most of the time. When it gets down to it, Lynch or No Lynch, the wolves will still have their NK, and I'd rather attempt to lynch someone who looks decently scummy than sitting here doing nothing because that's how I play.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

You want things to go on, but you don't want to contribute?

Sounds to me like you want someone to get lynched to speed things up for the wolves and you'll agree with any reason to make it happen, while saying as little as possible to avoid being suspected yourself.

Drohn, I think the thing that you're missing here, which as an outsider I can clearly see, is that your argument on SF boils down to the flesh and bones of what Camo's argument on alex is. Playstyle. Both alex and SF play like or similarly to this on Day 1, but on this game both of them have taken said playstyle to a certain extreme which makes both of them seem scummy. Basically, you cannot be against a lynch on alex, but for a lynch on Scorched Feathers, because in essence the argument for both of them is exactly the same.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Celever mentioned your role a while ago already. Is it taking you this long to find the copy and paste buttons?

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Celever mentioned your role a while ago already. Is it taking you this long to find the copy and paste buttons?

That being said I do find both of them scummy. However, I would like to see you respond to my previous post before SF claims, since otherwise I find alex to be the better lynch target and as such find no reason for SF to out his role.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Ninja'd by Celever. The reason I think SF is a wolf is because he just agrees to any lynch. Alex wants to avoid someone's lynch. He could try to buddy a town to try and "clear himself" if Luis shows as town, but I doubt it. He wouldn't try so hard to avoid his lynch if that was the case, since he would need Luis' role to be made public. I think Alex's reasons for defending Luis are the same as mine: Camoclone didn't make much sense and was tunneling Luis for no good reason at all.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Ninja'd by Celever. The reason I think SF is a wolf is because he just agrees to any lynch. Alex wants to avoid someone's lynch. He could try to buddy a town to try and "clear himself" if Luis shows as town, but I doubt it. He wouldn't try so hard to avoid his lynch if that was the case, since he would need Luis' role to be made public. I think Alex's reasons for defending Luis are the same as mine: Camoclone didn't make much sense and was tunneling Luis for no good reason at all.

But Camo's logic for lynching alex is pretty much te same as your logic for lynching SF. Playstyle taken to extreme levels for no reason Day 1. As such, you are not making much sense by your own logic. SF always agrees to any lynch early game because as he said he isn't particularly good at applying well-thought out pressure and while I believe he is a good scumhunter if he really puts in the effort (as was evident in the late game of Member's Revolt where we turned the game around completely!), he never really tries. While this may not be particularly townie behaviour, it is what he always does and this is what he has been telling you this whole time. Not only is your logic for lynching SF the same as Camo's is for lynching alex, SF's and alex's defenses are actually pretty much the same thing too. I find that alex has taken his playstyle to an even extremer level today, and unlike Scorched Feathers isn't taking responsibility to his actions (he said he didn't focus on Camo today, for example) so because of that plethora of reasons I do want alex dead before Lord Fletchling here.

(I prefer SF to LF but I just found it fitting there scorch :3)

So... ##UNSCORCH: Scorched Feathers
##LYNCH: alex

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Alex's play style might seem more extreme, because Camo was so heavily tunneling for a lynch that made no sense.

Also, not sure if you saw this: http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-werewolf-xxii-the-reign-of-terror-day-1-ends-august-2nd?pid=2645608#pid2645608

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Alex's play style might seem more extreme, because Camo was so heavily tunneling for a lynch that made no sense.

Also, not sure if you saw this: http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-werewolf-xxii-the-reign-of-terror-day-1-ends-august-2nd?pid=2645608#pid2645608

I agree that Camo was tunelling a little too hard on Luis later on in the game, but it was still the best lead we had for quite a long time (the reaction) and alex had been tunneling Camo for a long long LONG time before Camo's tunnel on Luis got a little too much.

And I did see that post. What exactly am I looking at?

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

That WW God PMJ also thinks SF is scummy. Sometimes it's best to trust the opinion of me & PMJ others. As I stated before, if we spread out the votes too much the wolves can easily influence the kill with only very few kills. SO unvote alex and vote SF. Why is Grant looking at this thread for so long without posting/voting? Thoughts Grant?

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

That WW God PMJ also thinks SF is scummy.

>WW god
>using this in the case against me
That makes the case even less believable. Drohn, you're quite literally posting fluff, and expecting people to go along with it. Like, you're basically saying "hurr vote SF because pmj and me are hurr", which is totally flawed logic. You're doing what camo was doing to Luis, essentially.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

That WW God PMJ also thinks SF is scummy. Sometimes it's best to trust the opinion of me & PMJ others. As I stated before, if we spread out the votes too much the wolves can easily influence the kill with only very few kills. SO unvote alex and vote SF. Why is Grant looking at this thread for so long without posting/voting? Thoughts Grant?

I have stated repeatedly that I find both SF and alex scummy. Who do I find scummier? Alex. Also "WW God" doesn't cut it for me. PMJ has just as much of a chance of being scum as the rest of us, and he even said to take his opinions with a grain of salt (very townie comment, btw :3). This is like taking a dead townie's opinion as fact (common error for new players) and should be avoided. Never put too much trust in someone's opinions. Also, while I know the important of trusting the opinions of others, I don't want to let people of an unkown faction influence a lynch when I believe there is a better lynch target right now. If an overwhelming majority say that a particular player is better than sure, I'll trust you. If only two people actually build a case on a player that is no where near "overwhelming" when one or both of them could be scum. You have still yet to differentiate your case with SF and Camo's case with alex. Have you realised that they are in fact, in essence, the same? Because that's the only reason I can think of of why you would decide to bring up a new point and not counter my old post.