Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

That WW God PMJ also thinks SF is scummy.

>WW god
>using this in the case against me
That makes the case even less believable. Drohn, you're quite literally posting fluff, and expecting people to go along with it. Like, you're basically saying "hurr vote SF because pmj and me are hurr", which is totally flawed logic. You're doing what camo was doing to Luis, essentially.

Oh that's true lol. I didn't even realize that that post is what Camo did to Luis but it totally is. Drohn, Camo's case on Luis is based off of a reaction, which people may argue is more conclusive evidence than a mere playstyle shift. I believe that Camo is one of these people. Personally I don't, since people often use reactions to cause a shift in playstyle thus making them scummy, but still. You're trying to begin a bandwagon on Scorched Feathers by saying "PMJ and I think he is scummy". Camo and I did the same thing with Luis, but we actually posted a good case to go alongside it which was difficult for anyone to counter, leading to Luis claiming and having an anti-town role. Your case is easily counterable and has a few holes in it, as well as contradicting previous statements you have made, which is why your wagon isn't picking up speed, unlike what happened to Luis'.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

So much response to a post that was 99% joke and 1% why is someone watching for so long (seriously I know there's a lot to read, but you've been watching for about an hour with no response) and not talking.

I already explained the difference in my other post. SF is just bandwagoning random accusations, whereas Alex actually thinks it through and didn't just hop on a bandwagon to lynch someone that could very likely be town. If the cases were the same I would still rather go for SF, since I prefer having someone that doesn't just jump on bandwagons. You mentioned it yourself as well that his defeatist attitude is very scum-like. This is something Alex has not shown.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

The actual reason I linked to that post was because he used an argument I didn't mention. I thought it was obvious that "because he said so" was not the reason I linked to that post for.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Where did alex ever think it through? What me and alex are doing is the same for different things. I have a natural defeatist attitude early on and that's been seen before. Your case has next to no basis other than "he looks scummy", which is frankly a terrible reason to lynch someone, simply judging from their posts.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

So much response to a post that was 99% joke and 1% why is someone watching for so long (seriously I know there's a lot to read, but you've been watching for about an hour with no response) and not talking.

I already explained the difference in my other post. SF is just bandwagoning random accusations, whereas Alex actually thinks it through and didn't just hop on a bandwagon to lynch someone that could very likely be town. If the cases were the same I would still rather go for SF, since I prefer having someone that doesn't just jump on bandwagons. You mentioned it yourself as well that his defeatist attitude is very scum-like. This is something Alex has not shown.

Werewolf protip: Joking outside of the RVS stage is usually a bad idea lol. Unless you make it really obvious that it's a joke.

That doesn't cut it though, because both arguments are just that we don't like their playstyles. You hate SF's extreme playstyle more than alex, I get it, but the argument for the both of them is exactly the same. Your only differentiated argument is the one that I made, that being SF made a post with a defeatist attitude. Not only does this make him an Archen like you said, it is quite scummy. However, claiming at that stage would have actually been a little scummy, like he just wanted to use his fake to clean himself because he got a bit panicky. alex has had even less pressure applied to him, so he wouldn't have really had a chance to have a defeatist attitude. I also stated already that I think SF was just applying the pressure, just like Camo and I did, just in a poorly phrased manner. Even if you disagree with this statement, PMJ just showed me a specific example of his playstyle, which, once again, is an argument you cannot use without also accepting alex to be scummy for doing exactly the same thing. However, that would also be a harsh backpedal on your part for little-to-no reason other than to try and get SF lynched, which would take a lot of credit away from your argument. As such, you just have to admit that you don't have a good enough case on SF to warrant lynching him over alex.

Furthermore, alex hasn't thought anything through. He has provided opinions on a total of four players, and barely mentioned anyone besides Luis and Camo, mainly focusing on Camo. Scorched Feathers has one better than that, giving us info should he be NK'd or lynched. What alex is doing is depriving the town of opinions which, while they shouldn't be taken as fact, are crucial to our success. This is also what a scum would do. I have made this point before and no one has countered it. Please counter this point, Drohn.

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

I leave a window for this game open on my phone for easy access and I don't like typing on my phone. I've already stated what my reads are. I agree that SF looks scummy but I also agree that this is kinda just his play style and sometimes I question the validity of his wagon. So basically I'm useless and undecided about him Celever is making a lot of sense to me rn and I agree with him that Alex is a better lynch than SF. Both of those lynches however will get us useful info. My vote is still on Luis but I will probably change it later. I have already said why I like a Luis lynch most, but it seems like that is rapidly falling out of favor.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

I just love how I'm getting lynched for defending someone who hasn't even flipped scum.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Furthermore, alex hasn't thought anything through. He has provided opinions on a total of four players, and barely mentioned anyone besides Luis and Camo, mainly focusing on Camo. Scorched Feathers has one better than that, giving us info should he be NK'd or lynched. What alex is doing is depriving the town of opinions which, while they shouldn't be taken as fact, are crucial to our success. This is also what a scum would do. I have made this point before and no one has countered it. Please counter this point, Drohn.

Hey guys Drohn's buddying with me! Let's lynch him! /s

I literally already replied to this. Go back and read the 2 long posts I made in my defense, because I'm not making any more. Not a single one of you voting me replied to either of the posts. All you have done since then is repeat the things you have already stated.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

I just love how I'm getting lynched for defending someone who hasn't even flipped scum.

Drohn, do you call this "thinking things through"? He isn't even reading the thread.

Furthermore this is defeatist. The one thing alex had over SF is now non-existant. In fact, alex crunbled under even less pressure than SF did...

Grant, while I appreciate the fact that you like a Luis lynch more, we already have his role (which he promised not to use) and we probably want more info, and at this stage we get more info from an alex lynch than a Luis lynch.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Defeatist attitude = scum

Just wanted to let you know that all the Archeops in the world don't like you.

Will do, alex, but before that I would like to point out that while I was going back I found two likes on this post. Haunted Water and Porygon-X. Please post your opinions, especially you, Porygon, as you have a severe lack of posts today.

 

[Porygon-X]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Holy cow that was a lot of posts.

Ok, so TheGuy answered my question; the scum gets an example town role. Because of this, Luis could very well be a wolf based on the nature of his role (could be a town role or a scum role), his weird reactions to camoclone's accusations, and his really late claim. In my last post I said I would vote for Luis if TheGuy answered yes to my question, but since then, Drohn/PMJ brought up good points about SF.

We have a few hours left. I'll hold my vote till the day gets closer to the end, but right now I'm leaning toward a SF lynch.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Furthermore, alex hasn't thought anything through. He has provided opinions on a total of four players, and barely mentioned anyone besides Luis and Camo, mainly focusing on Camo. Scorched Feathers has one better than that, giving us info should he be NK'd or lynched. What alex is doing is depriving the town of opinions which, while they shouldn't be taken as fact, are crucial to our success. This is also what a scum would do. I have made this point before and no one has countered it. Please counter this point, Drohn.

Hey guys Drohn's buddying with me! Let's lynch him! /s

I literally already replied to this. Go back and read the 2 long posts I made in my defense, because I'm not making any more. Not a single one of you voting me replied to either of the posts. All you have done since then is repeat the things you have already stated.

Actually Camo replied to your post last page. Please respond to that first before I give you anither reply to your post. Honestly I read it and didn't see much worth responding to there, since I had countered the majority of those arguments previous to your post.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Holy cow that was a lot of posts.

Ok, so TheGuy answered my question; the scum gets an example town role. Because of this, Luis could very well be a wolf based on the nature of his role (could be a town role or a scum role), his weird reactions to camoclone's accusations, and his really late claim. In my last post I said I would vote for Luis if TheGuy answered yes to my question, but since then, Drohn/PMJ brought up good points about SF.

We have a few hours left. I'll hold my vote till the day gets closer to the end, but right now I'm leaning toward a SF lynch.

Why do you favour SF over alex? Just wondering.

Nice timing though!

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Furthermore this is defeatist. The one thing alex had over SF is now non-existant. In fact, alex crunbled under even less pressure than SF did...

Sorry, how am I giving up? At all? Because I made a sarcastic comment? Like 1/5 posts I have made this game have been sarcastic.

The post I make after I "give up" is obviously not "giving up"...

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Hey guys Drohn's buddying with me! Let's lynch him! /s

I literally already replied to this. Go back and read the 2 long posts I made in my defense, because I'm not making any more. Not a single one of you voting me replied to either of the posts. All you have done since then is repeat the things you have already stated.

Actually Camo replied to your post last page. Please respond to that first before I give you anither reply to your post. Honestly I read it and didn't see much worth responding to there, since I had countered the majority of those arguments previous to your post.

I didn't include Camoclone's because he's Camoclone and all he did was not understand perfectly understandable things, pull things out of context, and repeat himself. Like seriously, did you read his responses?

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

I have a natural defeatist attitude early on and that's been seen before.

It was seen in the last game where you had an anti-town role. I'm pretty sure you told me on Skype your goal was to get others killed, you had some weird independent win condition.

Werewolf protip: Joking outside of the RVS stage is usually a bad idea lol. Unless you make it really obvious that it's a joke.

It's only a pro-tip if you say it beforehand.

That doesn't cut it though, because both arguments are just that we don't like their playstyles. You hate SF's extreme playstyle more than alex, I get it, but the argument for the both of them is exactly the same. Your only differentiated argument is the one that I made, that being SF made a post with a defeatist attitude. Not only does this make him an Archen like you said, it is quite scummy. However, claiming at that stage would have actually been a little scummy, like he just wanted to use his fake to clean himself because he got a bit panicky.

Revealing right away would maybe be scummy, but giving up is completely different.

alex has had even less pressure applied to him, so he wouldn't have really had a chance to have a defeatist attitude.

Look at the vote count.. Not quite true.

I also stated already that I think SF was just applying the pressure, just like Camo and I did, just in a poorly phrased manner. Even if you disagree with this statement, PMJ just showed me a specific example of his playstyle, which, once again, is an argument you cannot use without also accepting alex to be scummy for doing exactly the same thing.

Except that SF applied that play style last game where he was anti-town and Alex does it all the time.

However, that would also be a harsh backpedal on your part for little-to-no reason other than to try and get SF lynched, which would take a lot of credit away from your argument. As such, you just have to admit that you don't have a good enough case on SF to warrant lynching him over alex.

I disagree. I think that he showed similar behaviour in a game where he was anti-town and the fact that he isn't contributing at all makes him a great lynch for D1.

Furthermore, alex hasn't thought anything through. He has provided opinions on a total of four players, and barely mentioned anyone besides Luis and Camo, mainly focusing on Camo. Scorched Feathers has one better than that, giving us info should he be NK'd or lynched. What alex is doing is depriving the town of opinions which, while they shouldn't be taken as fact, are crucial to our success. This is also what a scum would do. I have made this point before and no one has countered it. Please counter this point, Drohn.

He does think things through (in a similar way as myself in this case I believe). He was against the Luis lynch and like myself he stated why and went against Camo's weird arguments.
The case on Alex isn't as strong. He just defended Luis and thinks Camo is acting suspicious, which I also agree with.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Actually Drohn, it was shown in WWXXI that I had a defeatist attitude, with me saying that I didn't care if I was lynched or not IIRC. You're now basing your case on the fact that I had a semi-anti-town role last game, which isn't right.

 

[Haunted Water]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Camoclone, even when I'm hopped up on painkillers and oxycotin, I still see your tells. You said you have info on why you tunneled Luis, now please, do tell.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

SF, in WWXXI you were not being this much of a defeatist. You claimed your role publicly didn't you?

Evil Melon, vote the birdy please. <3

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 1 Ends August 2nd

Camoclone, even when I'm hopped up on painkillers and oxycotin, I still see your tells. You said you have info on why you tunneled Luis, now please, do tell.

I think he's V/LA so don't hold your breath.