Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

I don't believe grantm1999, but I do think he's doing a great job with talking himself out of it. The thing I really don't believe is that his role is seer and lookout in one. And that ability could even get doubled? Convenient the person died you claimed to use your ability on. I'm going to vote you at the end of the day unless there is solid proof that another member is more dangerous than a wolf and if you're town rev3rsor is next.

It isn't seer. It is water/tracker. They target someone to both see who targets them and who they got targeted by. He just saw the fact that Camo targeted Luis and then went out for blood the next day, and Grant decided to follow.

Speaking of, I honestly consider Luis a more conclusive lynch than Grant, honestly. We cannot deny that he didn't act well yesterday, and now we have 3 more points to lynch him over:
Camoclone inspected him and gunned for him in the same cycle
Camoclone was murdered Night 2 because of his gunning for Luis
Camoclone was caught inspecting Luis by grant

This is more proof than we have for a lynch on grant, which is:
Rev says so

Think about this logically, OK? A confirmed inspector went for Luis and was killed by tye wolves because of it.
Now for grant's lynch we have: rev says so.

##DEJAVU: Luispipe8

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

Also Celever, I saw KoN/Athena meet with the other three members, so I doubt it will say anything happened to him, but he'll know he met the other three.

One thing that JUST occurred to me and it is the only logical explanation since TheGuy wouldn't let me see a whole faction... these members are in the newspaper group (remember when the guy mentioned that?) that supposedly tell us who to lynch! (But they're not doing that for some reason...)

MtC and Porygon just lurked and left... I even called them out before!?

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

They probably are the news paper group. "Meeting" sounds more like a mason group than a scum group. Mason groups of 4 members likely have a wolf inside, else they would be too strong. I guess this is how grantm1999 has so much information. He probably combined that with the information he got from Camoclone's death to come up with a nice and elaborated excuse.

Since we're all back on the vote train,

##vote: grantm1999

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

Or anyone else from the meeting for that matter.

THIS^

Keeper, Drac, MtC, and whoever subbed in for WW can support my claim.

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

They probably are the news paper group. "Meeting" sounds more like a mason group than a scum group. Mason groups of 4 members likely have a wolf inside, else they would be too strong. I guess this is how grantm1999 has so much information. He probably combined that with the information he got from Camoclone's death to come up with a nice and elaborated excuse.

Since we're all back on the vote train,

##vote: grantm1999

I like your way of thinking Drohn, however you are overthinking this too much... If you're going to overthink and just make up reasons to vote me, you should at least do that the other way... IT's okay to be wrong, as a good townie you need to consider all the possibilities and the most likely ones.

I'm giving you guys everything straight from TheGuy and that's all I can do...

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

I want to see what KoN has to say before I continue this. What was this meeting for?

Or anyone else from the meeting for that matter.

I already cleared this up. Grant misunderstood his result... And he still does. Come on guys, it's pretty simple wording, and I'm glad that someone asked for it exactly. There was no meeting between Athena and the other three users; Athena targeted one/two of them and the other one/two targeted her back. I want KoN to tell us what happened to him N2 because if he was targeted with a wolf role we have a 1 in 2 chance of hitting the scum who used that ability on him, as he will then also claim who he targeted. If he was targeted by a townie action and was alerted of it, we have a clean! Don't forget that while a lot of town actions don't inform their target that they have been affected, some do. Most anti-town abilities do. This is why I want to know what happened to Athena/KoN N2.

Drohn, your claim about how grant got his information about that possible mason group is absolutely ludicrous. You need evidence in a tria-- uhh, forum game. "He has a scummie in a mason group which we actually have no evidence for which is how he is getting his results for a claim which has some of the towniest flavour we have seen thus far" is one of the worst arguments I have ever seen in one of these games, no offense lol.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

Celever, you didn't clear it up. You say he misunderstood it but he later showed text that he claimed to have copied and pasted from TheGuy in which the words "inspect" and "met" are used for their actions.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

These were all the ones I could find, they don't have much detail. These are all seperate PMs, the messages directly copy/pasted.

Camoclone visited and inspected Luispipe8.

Athena visited and met with Machamp the Champion, WanderingWolf, and GM Draclord.

Your attempt to view Celever failed.

Your attempt to target Drohn failed.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

Also, "visited and met" sounds like something he wrote in a hurry. Sorry for the triple post.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

Celever, you didn't clear it up. You say he misunderstood it but he later showed text that he claimed to have copied and pasted from TheGuy in which the words "inspect" and "met" are used for their actions.

Yes. What does his role do? It finds out who a person visits and meets. Either everyone in this game is in a mason group and he is finding them all out somehow (which I doubt is the case! ) or this is simply you two not understanding the flavour. To me it looks like Athena was visited by MTC and WW, and she met Drac. This is because flavour like this is typically done in alphabetical order if in a lost such as the one Grant provided us.

Also why do you think it looks like something he wrote in a hurry..? It sounds like what his role does...

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

Are you purposely ignoring the fact he claims his message for Camo said "inspected". That word would confirm Camo as a seer, and grant uses that as an excuse to have followed him in the Luis lynch. I'm giving up on trying to convince you. It's SF all over again. I think that if grantm flips wolf we know who to go for next.

 

[Lenny]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

Are you purposely ignoring the fact he claims his message for Camo said "inspected". That word would confirm Camo as a seer, and grant uses that as an excuse to have followed him in the Luis lynch. I'm giving up on trying to convince you. It's SF all over again. I think that if grantm flips wolf we know who to go for next.

It's why I stopped posting. It's impossible to get through to Celever, and while grantm1999 and Celever think they're 'convincing' us, they're really in a corner by themselves.

It's frustrating but you're not getting through to him and unless something new comes up it's a good idea to just end this before the insults start flying.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

We wouldn't get to insulting. Celever knows I love him. <3

 

[Ice Espeon]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

Counterarguments to grantm1999's target claims:

Night 0) What reason would there be for Camoclone, an experienced player, to target a player who is new to the game on night one? Surely he would target someone who he knew was a good player instead of wasting it on someone inexperienced (no offence Luispipe). This idea of Camoclone's insistence on Luispipe was first brought forward by Kecleon X inbetween the two nights, guaranteeing that it would be read by everyone and result in an easy claim later down the line (something which has been emphasised by Kecleon X quoting himself). Was it an honest mistake by Kecleon X to post during the night? Maybe, but if grantm1999 flips scum, maybe not.

Night 1) grantm1999's role PM says that you see targeting, however can Athena be said to have targeted those other members of that group for having a meeting with them? More likely, I think, is that one or more people from that group are scum, and have fed grantm1999 information about who is in the group to make claiming a night action a lot easier. (I wrote this part of the post before Drohn posted, but I could not finish my post as my Internet disconnected. Dammed iPad!)

Night 2) rev3rsor says you targeted Lenny, yet you claim you targeted Celever, leading to a discrepancy, where rev3rsor has no reason to lie.

Celever, you are heavily coming across as scum - defending SF, trying to convince us of grantm1999's innocence despite the logical conclusion being that he is lying.

##DoubleHashtag: grantm1999

 

[Luispipe8]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

Here are my targets for both my abilities on each night.

Night 0: I targetted Camoclone (his RVSs...) with both of my abilities. This probably not the best move in hindsight, but I figured why not because there's nothing to go off of. This is when I saw him inspect Luispipe. This is too "convenient" for the narrow minded of you because he is dead, but it is really too bad for me that he is dead because he can't confirm this.

It is very convenient, you said it yourself. "Yeah, let's save myself by saying I knew a Seer targeted the newbie". Camo could have done that just to see if someone bandwagoned and/or look suspicious regarding a possible Lynch on me. And besides, your Ability stated who TARGETED who, the "inspected" gave you away, because there was no way we could have know Camo was a Role Cop until he died.

Please copy us the result PM:s that TheGuy sent you as fast as possible. The seconds are ticking.

So Teal breaks the weird pattern his posts had. That's very interesting, it could be some sort of clown that changes personality varying according to the day, or person he targets with an Ability?

I realize that, and this confuses me because I never actually targetted Lenny.

Then one of you is telling the truth, and the other is lying. I'm pretty confident that I know who is.

If Grant is Lynched and miraculously flips Town, then rev3rsor will definitely be Lynched next.

These were all the ones I could find, they don't have much detail. These are all seperate PMs, the messages directly copy/pasted.

Camoclone visited and inspected Luispipe8.

Athena visited and met with Machamp the Champion, WanderingWolf, and GM Draclord.

Your attempt to view Celever failed.

Your attempt to target Drohn failed.

I wonder why those two differ...

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

You two are abusing your confirmed town status. Just because you are confirmed town does not mean you are right. Lenny that is scummy of you to just give up on an argument. That is another instance of abusing confo-town status and it annoys me.

I have given you guys so much proof that I am town, everything is straight from the guy and all you need is the mason group people to confirm which they will if they are town.

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

ninja'd by ice and luis. I will reply later when I can I gtg now.

 

[Ice Espeon]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

How interesting that when I post that both Celever and grantm1999 leave the thread they had been viewing for so long. To construct a story perhaps?

 

[Lenny]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

You two are abusing your confirmed town status. Just because you are confirmed town does not mean you are right. Lenny that is scummy of you to just give up on an argument. That is another instance of abusing confo-town status and it annoys me.

I have given you guys so much proof that I am town, everything is straight from the guy and all you need is the mason group people to confirm which they will if they are town.

Okay, HERE WE GO AGAIN. You have not given us any CONCRETE evidence, not that you really can in this game. TheGuy has clearly stated that he gave scum, or any other faction for that matter, the ability to lie about their role. What makes you any different? I don't believe you and I've stated why in my previous posts, as well as agreed with other posts people have said. I'd rather not go in an endless circle because nothing you have said has swayed me otherwise.

The mason group coming out and saying they are the mason group changes nothing, because as I said before, you have abilities just like the other scum that have been killed and could easily find out that information and STILL be scum. Just because you have these abilities doesn't mean you are not scum. And if the theory that there is a scum within the mason group is true, that is also where you could have gotten the information from.

I'm not abusing anything. I've made only one mention of the fact that I'm confo-town. I've been playing the way I would normally play regardless of confo-town or not. It just frustrates me that you're playing victim here when you're not. You are a top suspect from someone who has nothing to gain by suddenly outing you. I don't believe you or your claims and I fully expect you to flip scum. You can say anything you want to defend yourself, but so far I hardly believe any of it and I, as well as others, have stated why we don't believe you.

 

[Ice Espeon]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th

I posted my theories at 1:25

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Celever
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Date of Birth: 06-09-1999 (15 years old)
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grantm1999
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Registration Date: 02-13-2012
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