RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 3 Ends August 16th
Oh OK. Drohn just had to spell it out for me, and I will do the same for others so I get to try out these shiny new gifs PMJ linked me! First, let's take a look at your claimed Role PM.
This is a standard, well-written Role PM, correct?
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Wrong. You see, what grant claims to be able to do here is to find out who a person targets and who targets them in a night. This is a fairly common role in Werewolf. However, if I may present a second piece of evidence:
grant clearly states here that these statements are copy/pasted from our host word for word. However, there is a direct contradiction!
The defendant clearly states his results word for word. However, if you look in his second result it says: "Camoclone visited and inspected Luispipe8." Nowhere in his acclaimed Role PM does grant claim to be able to know what action his targets use.
I find it impossible for the defendant to refute these claims, but go on, humour me.
##UNDEJAVU: Luispipe8 (still scummy though)
##OBJECTION: grantm1999
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I know that I'm against ending the day early, and I generally am, but with an all-but-confirmed lynch target I can't see an awful lot of discussion happening, especially given the overall activity of this game so far. I wouldn't be opposed to ending it now in favour of not wasting time, but it really depends on whether we get another substantial thing to talk about. We've exhausted the flavour, and more lynch targets will be able to evade any and all pressure since they won't actually be put under huge amounts of pressure because of grant's presence lol. I know that I originally suggested not ending the day early, but at that stage this HUGE contradiction wasn't existant!
Ice Espeon, I left briefly to turn my computer on so that I could use this gifs and format the post better, since you can't even link the gifs on an iPad...
LOL YOU ACTUALLY PASTED TIMESTAMPS.
Ok, number one: don't link timestamps. They are inconclusive as evidence because you can leave this place open all day (like I do sometimes) but still read around on another device if you really were scared of people checking your profile.
Number two: Grant did post below stating that he had to go after your original post. At minute 31, in fact, the same time as in your post there. Coincidence? No! Of course not! He had to leave!
Number three: Time to type up a post means nothing. This is for two reasons: A) You don't always start typing a post and then keep typing it until you finish it. You can stop and take a break, get distracted, or simply have to go for an undetermined amount of time. Or just type up increasingly long post like I apparently do lol. B) Someone can just be unkeyboardinated (it's a real term o3o) and take a while to type up posts. I'm not, but I'm a bit of a perfectionist where I can, so I tend to go through an check for grammar errors when I'm on my computer. When I'm on my iPad I cba because I always end up tapping on things I don't mean to and messing everything up lol. There are other reasons too, but this should be enough to convince you that checking time stamps is pointless.
Oh OK. Drohn just had to spell it out for me, and I will do the same for others so I get to try out these shiny new gifs PMJ linked me! First, let's take a look at your claimed Role PM.
Jean Sylvain Bailly [grantm1999]
Initially President of the 3rd Estate you administered the original Tennis Court Oaths. Now you’ve taken up a different position, mayor of Paris – but it doesn’t seem that you have much control of the town.
Ability: The View from the Mayor’s Mansion.
Each night you may PM the name of one player. You will learn who they came into contact with that night. (Who they targeted and who targeted them.)
Ability: Get Out the Vote!
Each night you may PM me the name of a player. If that player votes for you to be lynched your first ability will be doubled the next night. This ability may only be activated twice.
Win Condition: Town Wins
This is a standard, well-written Role PM, correct?
Wrong. You see, what grant claims to be able to do here is to find out who a person targets and who targets them in a night. This is a fairly common role in Werewolf. However, if I may present a second piece of evidence:
grantm1999 said:These were all the ones I could find, they don't have much detail. These are all seperate PMs, the messages directly copy/pasted.
Camoclone visited and inspected Luispipe8.
Athena visited and met with Machamp the Champion, WanderingWolf, and GM Draclord.
Your attempt to view Celever failed.
Your attempt to target Drohn failed.
grant clearly states here that these statements are copy/pasted from our host word for word. However, there is a direct contradiction!
The defendant clearly states his results word for word. However, if you look in his second result it says: "Camoclone visited and inspected Luispipe8." Nowhere in his acclaimed Role PM does grant claim to be able to know what action his targets use.
I find it impossible for the defendant to refute these claims, but go on, humour me.
##UNDEJAVU: Luispipe8 (still scummy though)
##OBJECTION: grantm1999
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I know that I'm against ending the day early, and I generally am, but with an all-but-confirmed lynch target I can't see an awful lot of discussion happening, especially given the overall activity of this game so far. I wouldn't be opposed to ending it now in favour of not wasting time, but it really depends on whether we get another substantial thing to talk about. We've exhausted the flavour, and more lynch targets will be able to evade any and all pressure since they won't actually be put under huge amounts of pressure because of grant's presence lol. I know that I originally suggested not ending the day early, but at that stage this HUGE contradiction wasn't existant!
Ice Espeon, I left briefly to turn my computer on so that I could use this gifs and format the post better, since you can't even link the gifs on an iPad...
LOL YOU ACTUALLY PASTED TIMESTAMPS.
Ok, number one: don't link timestamps. They are inconclusive as evidence because you can leave this place open all day (like I do sometimes) but still read around on another device if you really were scared of people checking your profile.
Number two: Grant did post below stating that he had to go after your original post. At minute 31, in fact, the same time as in your post there. Coincidence? No! Of course not! He had to leave!
Number three: Time to type up a post means nothing. This is for two reasons: A) You don't always start typing a post and then keep typing it until you finish it. You can stop and take a break, get distracted, or simply have to go for an undetermined amount of time. Or just type up increasingly long post like I apparently do lol. B) Someone can just be unkeyboardinated (it's a real term o3o) and take a while to type up posts. I'm not, but I'm a bit of a perfectionist where I can, so I tend to go through an check for grammar errors when I'm on my computer. When I'm on my iPad I cba because I always end up tapping on things I don't mean to and messing everything up lol. There are other reasons too, but this should be enough to convince you that checking time stamps is pointless.